What Is The Legal Standing/Basis of the US FEDERAL RESERVE???

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It is, it seems, possible to construct a factual and legal argument to the effect that

1. The taxation of John Q Publics paycheck is ILLEGAL:eek:

and

2. That the entire US FED RES. system is ALSO ILLEGAL.

Now watch this!!!http://youtube.com/watch?v=txo8nGAcWEQ&feature=related

Keep it LEGAL folks.......

Tom Young

Answer keeping it legal: Courts will defer to the Separation of Powers and Doctrine of Non-Justiciability save for issues of grave unfairness injustice or aspects of equitable remedies.

IT Loser

Tom Young wrote: »

Answer keeping it legal: Courts will defer to the Separation of Powers and Doctrine of Non-Justiciability save for issues of grave unfairness injustice or aspects of equitable remedies.

I would say taking a chunk of the paycheck of 300 million Citizens to pay off an illegal organisation was pretty injust, no??

Tom Young

Sorry, I am not sure of the angle and haven't looked at the links you posted. Effectively its not illegal.

Is the central bank illegal?

IT Loser

Tom Young wrote: »

Sorry, I am not sure of the angle and haven't looked at the links you posted. Effectively its not illegal.

Is the central bank illegal?

YOU TELL ME!!!!

Who set it up??

Who governs it??

Do we the people have a say in it???

Yet it sets rates that can make us or break us.

Tom Young

IT Loser wrote: »

YOU TELL ME!!!!

Who set it up??

The Government of the day. Whether US or Irish etc.

Who governs it??

Governed by the people for the people. By the legislature and the executive.

Do we the people have a say in it???

By the people, for the people we elected.

Yet it sets rates that can make us or break us.

Rates are driven by people and money markets. In a capital market many factors influence the rates of interest and stability that can be experienced from time to time.

Quoted in "Cultural Matters" (Wall Street Journal Europe, February 12, 2007; p. 13) by Edmund Phelps. Excerpt:

"There are two dimensions to a country's economic model. One part consists of its economic institutions. These institutions on the Continent do not look to be good for dynamism. They typically exhibit a Balkanized/segmented financial sector favoring insiders, myriad impediments and penalties placed before outsider entrepreneurs, a consumer sector not venturesome about new products or short of the needed education, union voting (not just advice) in management decisions, and state interventionism. Some studies of mine on what attributes determine which of the advanced economies are the least vibrant -- or the least responsive to the stimulus of a technological revolution -- pointed to the strength in the less vibrant economies of inhibiting institutions such as employment protection legislation and red tape, and to the weakness of enabling institutions, such as a well-functioning stock market and ample liberal-arts education.

The other part of the economic model consists of various elements of the country's economic culture. Some cultural attributes in a country may have direct effects on performance -- on top of their indirect effects through the institutions they foster. Values and attitudes are analogous to institutions -- some impede, others enable. They are as much a part of the "economy," and possibly as important for how well it functions, as the institutions are. Clearly, any study of the sources of poor performance on the Continent that omits that part of the system can yield results only of unknown reliability.

Of course, people may at bottom all want the same things. Yet not all people may have the instinct to demand and seek the things that best serve their ultimate goals. There is evidence from University of Michigan "values surveys" that working-age people in the Continent's Big Three differ somewhat from those in the U.S. and the other comparator countries in the number of them expressing various "values" in the workplace.

The values that might impact dynamism are of special interest here. Relatively few in the Big Three report that they want jobs offering opportunities for achievement (42% in France and 54% in Italy, versus an average of 73% in Canada and the U.S.); chances for initiative in the job (38% in France and 47% in Italy, as against an average of 53% in Canada and the U.S.), and even interesting work (59% in France and Italy, versus an average of 71.5% in Canada and the U.K). Relatively few are keen on taking responsibility, or freedom (57% in Germany and 58% in France as against 61% in the U.S. and 65% in Canada), and relatively few are happy about taking orders (Italy 1.03, of a possible 3.0, and Germany 1.13, as against 1.34 in Canada and 1.47 in the U.S.).

Perhaps many would be willing to take it for granted that the spirit of stimulation, problem-solving, mastery and discovery has impacts on a country's dynamism and thus on its economic performance. In countries where that spirit is weak, an entrepreneurial type contemplating a start-up might be scared off by the prospect of having employees with little zest for any of those experiences. And there might be few entrepreneurial types to begin with. As luck would have it, a study of 18 advanced countries I conducted last summer found that inter-country differences in each of the performance indicators are significantly explained by the intercountry differences in the above cultural values. (Nearly all those values have significant influence on most of the indicators.)

The weakness of these values on the Continent is not the only impediment to a revival of dynamism there. There is the solidarist aim of protecting the "social partners" -- communities and regions, business owners, organized labor and the professions -- from disruptive market forces. There is also the consensualist aim of blocking business initiatives that lack the consent of the "stakeholders" -- those, such as employees, customers and rival companies, thought to have a stake besides the owners. There is an intellectual current elevating community and society over individual engagement and personal growth, which springs from antimaterialist and egalitarian strains in Western culture. There is also the "scientism" that holds that state-directed research is the key to higher productivity. Equally, there is the tradition of hierarchical organization in Continental countries. Lastly, there a strain of anti-commercialism. "A German would rather say he had inherited his fortune than say he made it himself," the economist Hans-Werner Sinn once remarked to me."

johnnyskeleton

IT Loser wrote: »

It is, it seems, possible to construct a factual and legal argument to the effect that

1. The taxation of John Q Publics paycheck is ILLEGAL:eek:

Not in Ireland, as there is that rather inconvenient s. 1078 of the Taxes Consolidation Act, 1997.

IT Loser wrote:

2. That the entire US FED RES. system is ALSO ILLEGAL.

I don't think it's illegal, it's just not an organ of the US state.

IT Loser wrote: »

Who set it up??

Who governs it??

I think there is a central bank act, somewhere hidden in our old statutebook.

IT Loser wrote:

Do we the people have a say in it???

I hope not, because if I had a say in it I'd ask them to funnell all the country's wealth into my caymen island bank account.

Gobán Saor

You don't have to delve too deeply into the internet to discover intense earnest treatises, complete with seemingly proper legal citations, that purport to show that the US does not in fact exist as a legal entity. (it should really be called the "united States of America" - the lack of a capital "u" makes all the difference, you see.) Ergo, "residents" are not US citizens, owe no duty of allegiance and, most importantly, the Federal Government is an entity with no legal basis and hence has no authority to levy income tax:rolleyes: Often this is presented as a "BIG SECRET" that "they" don't want you to know. Some such sites are the work of right wing political nut jobs who think George W Bush is a lily livered, liberal, lefty, pinko, commie surrender monkey. Other sites promise that if you send enough dollars, all will be revealed to you and you will be given the "FOOLPROOF AND FULLY LEGAL" method of removing yourself from the legal and taxation system. Ah well, takes all sorts:D