If God wanted me to believe he exists then why doesn't he show me?

Soul Winner

He already did. And in many ways. One of which can be universally understood without having to be sided with any religion because it speaks to us in a language universal to all mankind. Mathematics!!!

The Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt is utterly mind blowing. Why we do not hear more on this subject in the main stream media is also mind blowing. I've heard all the theories relating to how it was built and it's design and none of them make any sense except the theory that God Himself designed it and revealed that blue print to the builders. The astonishing secrets held up in this monument of stone for centuries are quite staggering. It is lined up with true north and with various constellations and incorporates 3 different calendars in its dimensions at it's base. The magnitude of the work undertaken not withstanding this perfect ancient Witness of Stone took genius beyond any mortal’s to design. To me it's like God saying to the Scientific World: "Look at this monument and seek after its measurements” It is beyond debate as far as I am concerned that this is God's message from an Ancient time to a Scientific age. “I do exist, turn ye unto me and have everlasting life”

Jesus is Lord Amen.

Akrasia

Soul Winner wrote: »

He already did. And in many ways. One of which can be universally understood without having to be sided with any religion because it speaks to us in a language universal to all mankind. Mathematics!!!

The Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt is utterly mind blowing. Why we do not hear more on this subject in the main stream media is also mind blowing. I've heard all the theories relating to how it was built and it's design and none of them make any sense except the theory that God Himself designed it and revealed that blue print to the builders. The astonishing secrets held up in this monument of stone for centuries are quite staggering. It is lined up with true north and with various constellations and incorporates 3 different calendars in its dimensions at it's base. The magnitude of the work undertaken not withstanding this perfect ancient Witness of Stone took genius beyond any mortal’s to design. To me it's like God saying to the Scientific World: "Look at this monument and seek after its measurements” It is beyond debate as far as I am concerned that this is God's message from an Ancient time to a Scientific age. “I do exist, turn ye unto me and have everlasting life”

Jesus is Lord Amen.

Are you taking the piss?

condra

I really hope he is.

Fallen Seraph

... All hail Amun-Ra?


No seriously. Had he divinely revealed this to the builders, why did they seem to worship a dissimilar pantheon of gods?

Nerin

schizophrenia???

PDN

Soul Winner wrote: »

He already did. And in many ways. One of which can be universally understood without having to be sided with any religion because it speaks to us in a language universal to all mankind. Mathematics!!!

The Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt is utterly mind blowing. Why we do not hear more on this subject in the main stream media is also mind blowing. I've heard all the theories relating to how it was built and it's design and none of them make any sense except the theory that God Himself designed it and revealed that blue print to the builders. The astonishing secrets held up in this monument of stone for centuries are quite staggering. It is lined up with true north and with various constellations and incorporates 3 different calendars in its dimensions at it's base. The magnitude of the work undertaken not withstanding this perfect ancient Witness of Stone took genius beyond any mortal’s to design. To me it's like God saying to the Scientific World: "Look at this monument and seek after its measurements” It is beyond debate as far as I am concerned that this is God's message from an Ancient time to a Scientific age. “I do exist, turn ye unto me and have everlasting life”

Jesus is Lord Amen.

Thud! Thud! Thud! (Banging my head against a wall).

BrianCalgary

I'm not sure which pyramids, might be this one, but the height of it is equal to the average 'distance above sea level' of all the land masses on the planet.

Don't hurt yourself PDN.

Nerin

Thud! Thud! Thud! (Banging my head against a wall).

.
*hands PDN headache medicinez

Michael G

If he wanted you to believe, then why would he show you? You don't believe there are cars on Pearse Street; you see them, or if you don't they kill you or at least break your legs.

Sadly I have to agree with an earlier poster. Are you taking the piss?

armour87

As Bill Hicks says:

Whats with dinosaur bones?

Nerin

you see them, or if you don't they kill you or at least break your legs.

Gods gonna break my legs? :eek:
i kid i kid

Sangre

Holy crap he's right. This changes everything!

Soul Winner

OK all. Who do you believe built it and why and how did they do it? My post was a statement of Faith and I'm sticking with it until someone can come up with a more plausible explanation as to how this astonishing monument was built and without the put down please. I notice you guys rely a lot on 'put down' to back up your zero argument? The facts will be enough thank you.

To Brian Calgary. Did you know that there is a verse in scripture (The book of Isaiah actually ch:19 v 19-20) that describes a monument in the land of Egypt as being an altar and a witness to the Lord? And the location in the verse is the exact location of where the Great Pyramid now stands? “In the midst of the land and at the border thereof”. There is only one place on earth where you could be in the middle of the land on at the border. Ancient Egypt was divided into upper and lower Egypt and this Pyramid lies right in the middle of that border. Plus the original scripture was written in Hebrew and if you know Hebrew you'll know that each letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a numerical value. And if you add up the 30 Hebrews words in the verse in question it too adds up to the exact height of the pyramid in pyramid inches which is 5449. And lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis divide equally the earth’s terrain. The north-south axis (31 degrees 9’ meridian east of Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis, (29 degrees 58’ 51 north) the longest land parallel. (E.R Capt) How did the builders know all this?

Dirk Gently

obviously he stole Ms blue wolfs cookie too.

JimiTime

Soul Winner wrote: »

OK all. Who do you believe built it and why and how did they do it? My post was a statement of Faith and I'm sticking with it until someone can come up with a more plausible explanation as to how this astonishing monument was built and without the put down please. I notice you guys rely a lot on 'put down' to back up your zero argument? The facts will be enough thank you.

To Brian Calgary. Did you know that there is a verse in scripture (The book of Isaiah actually ch:19 v 19-20) that describes a monument in the land of Egypt as being an altar and a witness to the Lord? And the location in the verse is the exact location of where the Great Pyramid now stands? “In the midst of the land and at the border thereof”. There is only one place on earth where you could be in the middle of the land on at the border. Ancient Egypt was divided into upper and lower Egypt and this Pyramid lies right in the middle of that border. Plus the original scripture was written in Hebrew and if you know Hebrew you'll know that each letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a numerical value. And if you add up the 30 Hebrews words in the verse in question it too adds up to the exact height of the pyramid in pyramid inches which is 5449. And lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis divide equally the earth’s terrain. The north-south axis (31 degrees 9’ meridian east of Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis, (29 degrees 58’ 51 north) the longest land parallel. (E.R Capt) How did the builders know all this?

Assuming that this is something you truly believe, do you also believe that god created the earth? If so, is not his actual creation not his evidence on earth for you? TBH, a rose is alot more impressive than a pyramid. Man has never created something as awe inspiring as the natural world. Also, why would God use his peoples jailors for such a task? A task that by all accounts probably caused alot of anguish for his people. Also, why would he alow these monuments to be built to venerate other gods if it was supposed to be erected to venerate him? have you read a book on this recently or something?

PDN

Dr PDN prescribes more of the Bible and less of the Gene Scott videos.

I suspect some threads on UFOs and Atlantis may also be on the way to this board soon.

Fallen Seraph

Soul Winner wrote: »

OK all. Who do you believe built it and why and how did they do it? My post was a statement of Faith and I'm sticking with it until someone can come up with a more plausible explanation as to how this astonishing monument was built and without the put down please. I notice you guys rely a lot on 'put down' to back up your zero argument? The facts will be enough thank you.

No, seriously. Why, if it's an altar to Yahweh, was a man believed by the egyptions to be a demi-god buried there?

toiletduck

Soul Winner wrote: »

Plus the original scripture was written in Hebrew and if you know Hebrew you'll know that each letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a numerical value. And if you add up the 30 Hebrews words in the verse in question it too adds up to the exact height of the pyramid in pyramid inches which is 5449.

What are Pyramid inches? If it was a typo and you just meant inches, did they use that system of measurement back them?

death1234567

Soul Winner wrote: »

He already did. And in many ways. One of which can be universally understood without having to be sided with any religion because it speaks to us in a language universal to all mankind. Mathematics!!!

The Great Pyramid of Giza in Egypt is utterly mind blowing. Why we do not hear more on this subject in the main stream media is also mind blowing. I've heard all the theories relating to how it was built and it's design and none of them make any sense except the theory that God Himself designed it and revealed that blue print to the builders. The astonishing secrets held up in this monument of stone for centuries are quite staggering. It is lined up with true north and with various constellations and incorporates 3 different calendars in its dimensions at it's base. The magnitude of the work undertaken not withstanding this perfect ancient Witness of Stone took genius beyond any mortal’s to design. To me it's like God saying to the Scientific World: "Look at this monument and seek after its measurements” It is beyond debate as far as I am concerned that this is God's message from an Ancient time to a Scientific age. “I do exist, turn ye unto me and have everlasting life”

Jesus is Lord Amen.

THe flying spagetti monster built the Pyramid's with his magnificent noodley appendage. Everybody knows that. Get your "facts" right!!

starn

Michael G wrote: »

If he wanted you to believe, then why would he show you? You don't believe there are cars on Pearse Street; you see them, or if you don't they kill you or at least break your legs.

Sadly I have to agree with an earlier poster. Are you taking the piss?

He has to be

CerebralCortex

Soul Winner wrote: »

OK all. Who do you believe built it and why and how did they do it? My post was a statement of Faith and I'm sticking with it until someone can come up with a more plausible explanation as to how this astonishing monument was built and without the put down please. I notice you guys rely a lot on 'put down' to back up your zero argument? The facts will be enough thank you.

To Brian Calgary. Did you know that there is a verse in scripture (The book of Isaiah actually ch:19 v 19-20) that describes a monument in the land of Egypt as being an altar and a witness to the Lord? And the location in the verse is the exact location of where the Great Pyramid now stands? “In the midst of the land and at the border thereof”. There is only one place on earth where you could be in the middle of the land on at the border. Ancient Egypt was divided into upper and lower Egypt and this Pyramid lies right in the middle of that border. Plus the original scripture was written in Hebrew and if you know Hebrew you'll know that each letter in the Hebrew alphabet has a numerical value. And if you add up the 30 Hebrews words in the verse in question it too adds up to the exact height of the pyramid in pyramid inches which is 5449. And lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis divide equally the earth’s terrain. The north-south axis (31 degrees 9’ meridian east of Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis, (29 degrees 58’ 51 north) the longest land parallel. (E.R Capt) How did the builders know all this?

Extraterrestrial surveying technology? Maybe?

18AD

PDN wrote: »

I suspect some threads on UFOs and Atlantis may also be on the way to this board soon.

Good idea. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsofKUDXds4&mode=related&search=

The age of Osiris is upon us!

Every man and woman is a star.
AD.

Zombrex

toiletduck wrote: »

What are Pyramid inches? If it was a typo and you just meant inches, did they use that system of measurement back them?

A Pyramid Inch was a theory developed in the 17th and 18th centuries that the Egyptians used a special exact unit of measurement when building the pyramids (hence "pyramid inch") that was 1/25 of a cubit.

This theory was debunked years ago, when more exact measurements of the pyramids were taken

BrianCalgary

Yep soulwinner I had heard that before. I haven't looked into it much though. Rather do other things.

Maybe people back then were smarter than us.

When were these particular pyramids built or are th enumbers true of all pyramids in Egypt?

Soul Winner

JimiTime wrote: »

Assuming that this is something you truly believe, do you also believe that god created the earth? If so, is not his actual creation not his evidence on earth for you?

Yes and yes. I am gobsmacked at the created world and universe. Personally I think there would be something wrong with you if you weren't. I get a kick out of the fact that there was a creator behind it all and others just think its amazing without believing in a creator. Well everyone to their own I suppose.

JimiTime wrote: »

TBH, a rose is alot more impressive than a pyramid. Man has never created something as awe inspiring as the natural world

I agree but not sure how this applies to my post???

JimiTime wrote: »

Also, why would God use his peoples jailors for such a task?

When did He do this? What jailors? This is popular theory. The evidence suggest a much ealier time for the building of the great Pyramid of Giza than the slavery period of the Isrealites at the time of Moses.

JimiTime wrote: »

Also, why would he alow these monuments to be built to venerate other gods if it was supposed to be erected to venerate him? have you read a book on this recently or something?

Yes I have read a book on this recently and reading another one now. Not sure what you mean in the first part of your sentence. I was reffering only to The Great Pyramid of Giza not monuments in Egypt per se. There is no evidence that God allowed this monuemt to be used to venerate other Gods. I think you misread my orignial post and put menaing into it for yourself that I did not intend.

Soul Winner

PDN wrote: »

Dr PDN prescribes more of the Bible and less of the Gene Scott videos.

I suspect some threads on UFOs and Atlantis may also be on the way to this board soon.

What's wrong with Dr Gene Scott videos? He Teaches Bible better than anyone else I've heard. If you think you can do better PDN then by all means I'm all ears.

UFOs and Atlantis? Funny you should mention those...

Soul Winner

Fallen Seraph wrote: »

No, seriously. Why, if it's an altar to Yahweh, was a man believed by the egyptions to be a demi-god buried there?

There was never any body buried there nor was it intended for that purpose. There was a coffer alright but no body or evidence that it ever had a covering was ever found or reported to be found in any of the literature pertaining to the this particular pyramid. The ancient Egyptians buried their Kings in air tight tombs. The Kings Chamber in the Great Pyramid has two air shafts in it which is not great fro preservation as you may know. The temperature in the King’s chamber interestingly enough is kept at near constant 68 degrees which scientist today will tell you is the perfect temperature for man to live and it is also the average temperature of the Earth.

Soul Winner

toiletduck wrote: »

What are Pyramid inches? If it was a typo and you just meant inches, did they use that system of measurement back them?

Not a typo. A pyramid inch is a unit of measurement found throughout the great pyramid of Giza. It is 1 1000th shorter than a normal inch or British and American inch. There is a granite leaf in the anti chamber of the great pyramid leading into the Kings chamber which has a boss (horse shoe shape protrusion) protruding from it that is exactly 1 pyramid inch in dept and from the left side of the boss to the east wall of the anti chamber is 1 cubit (25 pyramid inches) in length. Many experts who have studied the pyramid have come to the conclusion that this boss is a clue left by the builders as to what unit of measure was used in the building of it as it does not seem to have any other logical use.

Soul Winner

18AD wrote: »

Good idea. :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsofKUDXds4&mode=related&search=

The age of Osiris is upon us!

Every man and woman is a star.
AD.

Very interesting stuff. Went to one of Hangcocks lectures/slide shows in Easons (Dublin) years ago after he wrote 'Fingerprints of the Gods' fascinating stuff for sure.

Soul Winner

Wicknight wrote: »

A Pyramid Inch was a theory developed in the 17th and 18th centuries that the Egyptians used a special exact unit of measurement when building the pyramids (hence "pyramid inch") that was 1/25 of a cubit.

This theory was debunked years ago, when more exact measurements of the pyramids were taken

Oh! Pray tell who debunked it?

Soul Winner

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Yep soulwinner I had heard that before. I haven't looked into it much though. Rather do other things.

Maybe people back then were smarter than us.

When were these particular pyramids built or are th enumbers true of all pyramids in Egypt?

As far as I know this is only true of the Great Pyramid of Giza but I haven't yet read anything of note about the others but from books I have read on the Great Pyramid there seems to be no other pyramid quite like this one on the Giza plateau.

mastermind2005

Soul Winner wrote: »

The temperature in the King’s chamber interestingly enough is kept at near constant 68 degrees which scientist today will tell you is the perfect temperature for man to live and it is also the average temperature of the Earth.

Could this not be a case that humans evolved to be comfortable in this temprature?

PDN

Soul Winner wrote: »

Oh! Pray tell who debunked it?

According to our usual, but not infallible source ...

wikipedia wrote:

The greatest blow to the theory was dealt by the great Egyptogist Flinders Petrie (1853-1942), who had initially been a supporter. When Petrie went to Egypt in 1880 to perform new measurements, he found that the pyramid was several feet smaller than previously believed. This so undermined the theory that Petrie rejected it, writing "there is no authentic example, that will bear examination, of the use or existence of any such measure as a ‘Pyramid inch,’ or of a cubit of 25.025 British inches."

Vengeance

Soulwinner: Perhaps you are correct. But you are quick to dismiss other people's ideas as being disproved when you have no evidence that God handed down blueprints for a monument to Ra.

But that is your theory, correct?


What about carbon dating? Do you have evidence to suggest that Moses did not lead the same slaves who built the pyramids out of egypt?

I'd like very much to hear that. I interpret a lot of the bible as metaphor as opposed to literally anyway.

Interesting post, even if i doubted it was sincere at first.

SubjectSean

This is all too too funny and I'd like to thank the troll at the top of the thread for getting it rolling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWLGzA0byw

PDN

SubjectSean wrote: »

This is all too too funny and I'd like to thank the troll at the top of the thread for getting it rolling.

I don't think he's a troll. Sadly he is very serious.

Soulwinner has already expressed his admiration for Gene Scott. Scott was a flamboyant cigar-smoking, cursing, televangelist who liked to teach on pyramids, Atlantis and UFOs. His shows featured dancing girls and angry denunciations of those who hindered the work of God by neglecting to send him donations.

Scott was certainly witty. After his divorce from his first wife he said, "I hate her. If I go to heaven and she's there, I'm going to another planet."

Here's a flavour of his TV ministry: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BDU7rKleDFY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D1tJm7KfTC8&feature=related

clown bag

clown bag wrote: »

obviously he stole Ms blue wolfs cookie too.

I was about to ask "what??" lol

Soul Winner

PDN wrote: »

I don't think he's a troll. Sadly he is very serious.

Soulwinner has already expressed his admiration for Gene Scott. Scott was a flamboyant cigar-smoking, cursing, televangelist who liked to teach on pyramids, Atlantis and UFOs. His shows featured dancing girls and angry denunciations of those who hindered the work of God by neglecting to send him donations.

Scott was certainly witty. After his divorce from his first wife he said, "I hate her. If I go to heaven and she's there, I'm going to another planet."

Here's a flavour of his TV ministry: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BDU7rKleDFY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D1tJm7KfTC8&feature=related

What an insult. He was no Televangelist. How rude. He was a Teacher of the Word. And what's wrong with dancing girls anyway? Although I never seen any myself and I've watched a lot. What about his 50+ years of preaching the Grace of God through Faith? There's one thing you can say about him and that is he was down right honest. When he said he hated his ex wife he meant it. What’s wrong with that if it’s the truth. Have you ever hated anyone in your heart of hearts at any time in your life PDN? Of course you haven't, you’re perfect. Scott might have said a damn and a hell every now and then but heck, look at Moses; he got so mad he killed 3000 people when he came down from the holy mount after receiving God's Law. Then he asked God to blot him out because he had sinned against God and God in essence said shut up I'll say who has sinned and who hasn't sinned. And God also called Moses the meekest of men, that sort of does something to the word meek doesn't it? Are you the guy who said in another post that you were a Christian Pastor?

Soul Winner

SubjectSean wrote: »

This is all too too funny and I'd like to thank the troll at the top of the thread for getting it rolling.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBWLGzA0byw

Troll? Are you that inept that you cannot argue a point without resorting to name calling?

BrianCalgary

Soul Winner wrote: »

What an insult. He was no Televangelist. How rude. He was a Teacher of the Word. And what's wrong with dancing girls anyway? Although I never seen any myself and I've watched a lot. What about his 50+ years of preaching the Grace of God through Faith? There's one thing you can say about him and that is he was down right honest. When he said he hated his ex wife he meant it. What’s wrong with that if it’s the truth. Have you ever hated anyone in your heart of hearts at any time in your life PDN? Of course you haven't, you’re perfect. Scott might have said a damn and a hell every now and then but heck, look at Moses; he got so mad he killed 3000 people when he came down from the holy mount after receiving God's Law. Then he asked God to blot him out because he had sinned against God and God in essence said shut up I'll say who has sinned and who hasn't sinned. And God also called Moses the meekest of men, that sort of does something to the word meek doesn't it? Are you the guy who said in another post that you were a Christian Pastor?

Careful with the insults.

Soul Winner

Vengeance wrote: »

Soulwinner: Perhaps you are correct. But you are quick to dismiss other people's ideas as being disproved when you have no evidence that God handed down blueprints for a monument to Ra.

I can concede that and I'm sorry. Won't happen again. But I never said God handed down the blue prints for a monument to Ra. I said the Great Pyramid of Giza which is not a monument to Ra.

Vengeance wrote: »

But that is your theory, correct?

Not my theory but one I happen to subscribe to yes. I'm still waiting on the explanations I laid out in previous posts as to how the builders knew where to build it and how where they able to line it up with true north. But all I’m getting is ridicule and alec remarks.

Vengeance wrote: »

What about carbon dating? Do you have evidence to suggest that Moses did not lead the same slaves who built the pyramids out of egypt? I'd like very much to hear that.

Is carbon dating a flawless method of dating? Anyway I never said they didn't build pyramids just not the Great Pyramid of Giza.

Vengeance wrote: »

I interpret a lot of the bible as metaphor as opposed to literally anyway.

A lot meaning not all of it? What parts if any do you interpret as literal then?

Vengeance wrote: »

Interesting post, even if i doubted it was sincere at first.

Thanks.

Soul Winner

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Careful with the insults.

I was called a troll and that seemd to be ok, then I was slagged off because I expressed and admiration for Dr Gene Scott and that was fine as well. All I did was call PDN perfect and asked him if it was him who said in an earlier post that he was a Christain Pastor. Where's the insult in that?

BrianCalgary

Just to clear up a misunderstanding

Soul Winner wrote: »

I was called a troll and that seemd to be ok,?

Unfortunately we get people who come on here with some pretty remarkable statements in order to stir it up and cause trouble. There were some that figured yours fit into this category but it appears now that it doesn't.

Soul Winner wrote: »

then I was slagged off because I expressed and admiration for Dr Gene Scott and that was fine as well.?

Not really slagged off. Unless I don't really get the term. I felt that PDN was expressing more pity toward someone that would follow the teaching of Dr. Gene Scott.

Soul Winner wrote: »

All I did was call PDN perfect and asked him if it was him who said in an earlier post that he was a Christain Pastor. Where's the insult in that?

The tone of it was a rough. PDN would never claim perfection and in fact has very openly admitted his shortcomings. However as Christian we need to be careful of teachings that go against God's word. Sometimes that means being truthful with your thoughts about another teacher and teh potential errors in the teachings.

I know myself and I'm sure PDN is in the same boat, that if anyone ever thought we were teaching outside of God's word that a fellow Christian would correct us.

PDN

Soul Winner wrote: »

What an insult. He was no Televangelist. How rude. He was a Teacher of the Word.

"Televangelist" means an evangelist who appears on television. Gene Scott ran 'The Gene Scott Evangelistic Association' and had a regular TV show, so it can hardly be an insult to call him a televangelist.

Have you ever hated anyone in your heart of hearts at any time in your life PDN?

Yes, I have. And as a Christian I have prayed for forgiveness and made sure I was free from hatred before I would dare to teach anyone anything from the Bible. I think the world has seen enough hateful preachers without my adding to their number.

Soul Winner

PDN wrote: »

"Televangelist" means an evangelist who appears on television. Gene Scott ran 'The Gene Scott Evangelistic Association' and had a regular TV show, so it can hardly be an insult to call him a televangelist.


Yes, I have. And as a Christian I have prayed for forgiveness and made sure I was free from hatred before I would dare to teach anyone anything from the Bible. I think the world has seen enough hateful preachers without my adding to their number.

Hold on a minute here. You said and I quote: "I don't think he's a troll. Sadly he is very serious." Why sadly? I find that very insulting.

And

"Soulwinner has already expressed his admiration for Gene Scott. Scott was a flamboyant cigar-smoking, cursing, televangelist who liked to teach on pyramids, Atlantis and UFOs. His shows featured dancing girls and angry denunciations of those who hindered the work of God by neglecting to send him donations."

Is this not attacking someone who is not around to defend himself? The tone (as Brian C puts it) is much weightier than what I used in defence of it. The impression one would get from reading this is that there is something wrong with me because I admire such a person who for 50+ years taught God's Word better than any other preacher I've ever heard and yet it was from other preachers that he got the most attacks? He never denounced anyone for not sending in donations. He got angry at those who made commitments to be Tithers to the ministry where they were thought and never kept their commitments. Better to never make a vow than to make it and not keep it. St Paul said that we prove the genuineness of the Spirit in us by the way we give. And Jesus said of the Tithe "This ye ought to have done" and Paul again in Galatians 6 says you give to the one who taught you all good things. Giving is not a necessary evil in Christianity it is central to it, if you’re not a giver the way God lays it out in His Word then you have not the Spirit of God in you and therefore cannot be a Christian. But that's another subject.


"Scott was certainly witty. After his divorce from his first wife he said, "I hate her. If I go to heaven and she's there, I'm going to another planet."

At least he wasn't lying about it? He was being honest. Give me an honest hater over a false lover any day.

Here's a flavour of his TV ministry: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BDU7rKleDFY

Again honest. You should actually listen to what he says in this clip. He was talking to someone outside his ministry who was criticising the inner workings of it. Someone who never gave a dime to it. Who are they to judge it? Basically what he's saying is if you don't like the Teaching then turn the nob, easy as that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D1tJm7KfTC8&feature=related

I still don’t see the girls dancing...


And where on God’s green earth did you get “The Gene Scott Evangelistic Association” there is no such animal. Come on now be honest, did you make that up?

Soul Winner

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Just to clear up a misunderstanding
Unfortunately we get people who come on here with some pretty remarkable statements in order to stir it up and cause trouble. There were some that figured yours fit into this category but it appears now that it doesn't.

Gald to hear it.

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Not really slagged off. Unless I don't really get the term. I felt that PDN was expressing more pity toward someone that would follow the teaching of Dr. Gene Scott.

Pity is worse than slagging off believe me.

BrianCalgary wrote: »

The tone of it was a rough. PDN would never claim perfection and in fact has very openly admitted his shortcomings. However as Christian we need to be careful of teachings that go against God's word. Sometimes that means being truthful with your thoughts about another teacher and teh potential errors in the teachings.

Where is the evidence that anyone has gone against God's Word here? What PDN was doing was bashing the man himself not criticising his teaching.

BrianCalgary wrote: »

I know myself and I'm sure PDN is in the same boat, that if anyone ever thought we were teaching outside of God's word that a fellow Christian would correct us.

I would endeavour to correct you if that were the case but I have yet to hear you or PDN teach anything from God's Word. But then I'm not on here long so maybe I missed a good few earlier posts or something.

PDN

Soul Winner wrote: »

Hold on a minute here. You said and I quote: "I don't think he's a troll. Sadly he is very serious." Why sadly? I find that very insulting.

I'm saddened that someone who professes to be a Christian takes this pyramid stuff seriously. That hardly constitutes an insult - just a difference of opinion. Differences of opinion happen quite often on internet discussion boards.

Is this not attacking someone who is not around to defend himself?

So we are not allowed to point out anything wrong about anyone who is dead? Come on! Gene Scott spent his lifetime attacking others.

And where on God’s green earth did you get “The Gene Scott Evangelistic Association” there is no such animal. Come on now be honest, did you make that up?

Not at all. It was mentioned in a New York Times feature By Glenn Bunting. The registered office of the The Gene Scott Evangelistic Association is at 15849 N 71st St, Scottsdale , AZ 85254.

Soul Winner

PDN wrote: »

I'm saddened that someone who professes to be a Christian takes this pyramid stuff seriously. That hardly constitutes an insult - just a difference of opinion. Differences of opinion happen quite often on internet discussion boards.

I know and ok I probably took you up wrong but why debunk something you’ve never studied? Or if you have studied it what sources did you have and how did you come to your conclusions for debunking?

PDN wrote: »

So we are not allowed to point out anything wrong about anyone who is dead? Come on! Gene Scott spent his lifetime attacking others.

Like who? And why? I know he attacked others but it wasn't for the sake of attacking them personally unless they had did it to him first. Most of his attacks were either on lying journalists, bean head media people, fundamentalist preachers who condemned everyone to hell for saying a damn and a hell while they go off to cheap motels with women who were not their wives and then cry about it because they go caught . And the government who tried in the early years to encroach on the church to get them to give up names and addresses of those who supported the ministry.

PDN wrote: »

Not at all. It was mentioned in a New York Times feature By Glenn Bunting. The registered office of the The Gene Scott Evangelistic Association is at 15849 N 71st St, Scottsdale , AZ 85254.

Well if Glenn Bunting says it then it must be true. He wasn't a lover of Dr Gene Scott was he? If there is a 'Gene Scott Evangelistic Association' then it is not affiliated with the Ministry of Dr Gene Scott nor was it set up by him. If you know anything about Dr Gene Scott's attacks on other you'll know that one of his most vehement attacks were on those who called him a Televangelist. He tried unsuccessfully for years to free himself from this image because he believed most of those of professed to be so where not true teachers of the Word. So it stands to reason that if he were to set up such an association that he would not call it the "Gene Scott Evangelistic Association". Did you know that there is an organisation in America called "The Jesus Seminar" They black ball any mention of miracles in scripture because they have deduced that miracles can't happen and therfore didn't happen I wonder what Jesus would think of them, I doubt that he is affiliated with them. You get my point. But hey if he did set this association up then heck, its news to me...

SubjectSean

PDN wrote: »

Here's a flavour of his TV ministry: http://youtube.com/watch?v=BDU7rKleDFY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D1tJm7KfTC8&feature=related

Truly astounding. I'm convinced more than ever that this thread is not for real.

SubjectSean

Soul Winner wrote: »

Troll? Are you that inept that you cannot argue a point without resorting to name calling?

There's no point to argue. You insist that God, an entity beyond my comprehension, handed out plans for the pyramids like a clerk of works and that this Gene Scott character is a lovely man. Whilst I do find this odd and am wholly unconvinced of your argument I have no wish whatever to stop you from thinking this. If you are genuine in your beliefs well then at least that's something and even without the slightest shred of proof you should try to stick with them because at least they're your own.