Convicted rapist in court today.

DonJose

Came across this weird case today. An 18 year old convicted rapist went nuts and had to be restrained by 6 prison officers. What caught my eye was the following,

"She noted he had been granted refugee status in August 2005 and had asked Mekonnen's legal team to discuss with him if he had any interest in returning to Eritrea considering he was facing the possibility of spending seven years in an Irish prison and his family might be unable to visit him here."

This fella sounds like a lunatic, only 18 years old, and the judge has a hard case to call here. Send him to prison knowing one day he will be released back into the public, or let him off scott free on condition he returns home. I don't think he can be deported as he was granted refugee status.

What would you do?

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhmhidauojmh/

prendy

if you cant send him home lock him up...sounds like he souldnt be on the streets anyway!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

put him in prison, and spend the time he's in prison training the women of Ireland in self defence.

I'd probably legalise mace as well, and have a 25% discount on all stores to customers without a penis.

ScumLord

Lock the fupper up!

Eritrea doesn't even sound like a real country. It's not right that he'd get away with it, especially considering some woman has gone through the process of pressing charges and getting it as far as the courts. It would be a kick in the teeth to find out the scumbags been sent home.

DonJose

ScumLord wrote: »

Lock the fupper up!

Eritrea doesn't even sound like a real country. It's not right that he'd get away with it, especially considering some woman has gone through the process of pressing charges and getting it as far as the courts. It would be a kick in the teeth to find out the scumbags been sent home.

But doesn't it scare you knowing this nutcase could be back on the streets in 7 years.

Timothy Bryce

Personally I'd try and rehabilitate the poor fcuker. Sounds like he needs serious help if he's going around raping chicks

prendy

Personally I'd try and rehabilitate the poor fcuker. Sounds like he needs serious help if he's going around raping chicks

at who's expense? lock him up...failing that surely there must be terms when granted refugee status...ie the up keep of local laws.
if so then hes in breech so send him back.

Morlar

I think we should make residency status conditional that you you dont go around raping people - especially if your from a continent with a 25 % aids rate. That does not sound unreasonable to me -
(flame on you pc wackjobs).

Letting him off with it is not acceptable - he will only revisit another european country after being returned and do the same there.

ScumLord

DonJose wrote: »

But doesn't it scare you knowing this nutcase could be back on the streets in 7 years.

Not if in the meantime they introduced a law that stated that any immigrant with a criminal record is deported after they serve there sentence. I don't live in fear of these people anyway and if prisons where doing they're job, rehabilitating people it wouldn't be as much of a problem.

But like with every other form of rehabilitation in Ireland that does anything but rehabilitate people. Break the law and they'll throw you into criminal collage where you'll either end up a wreak or an even better, tuffer criminal. It's the same with crazy people. Lets cure your crazy by trowing you into a big building full of crazy people. If your not crazy now you soon will be.

Timothy Bryce

prendy wrote: »

at who's expense? lock him up...failing that surely there must be terms when granted refugee status...ie the up keep of local laws.
if so then hes in breech so send him back.

Ideally he should be helped to give him an understanding of the magnitude of his crime. Unfortunately this type of therapy costs serious money....maybe garnish political salaries a little and put that money into funding such projects

LadyJ

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Ideally he should be helped to give him an understanding of the magnitude of his crime. Unfortunately this type of therapy costs serious money....maybe garnish political salaries a little and put that money into funding such projects

Good idea.

I'm sick of people saying we should lock up criminals and throw away the key. We need to put more effort into rehabilitating these people and understanding them rather than keeping them locked up and forgetting about them. Makes no sense.

Timothy Bryce

LadyJ wrote: »

Good idea.

I'm sick of people saying we should lock up criminals and throw away the key. We need to put more effort into rehabilitating these people and understanding them rather than keeping them locked up and forgetting about them. Makes no sense.

True enough - the 'lock the b@stards up' argument is something you'd expect to hear on high-brow late night radio talk-shows

tuxy

ScumLord wrote: »

Eritrea doesn't even sound like a real country.

What an ignorant comment.

Kintarō Hattori

tuxy wrote: »

What an ignorant comment.

Agreed.

Mr.Micro

Put him in Jail so that he cant go back to his country of Origin and do the same.Then deport him after he serves his sentence .

Timothy Bryce

Mr.Micro wrote: »

Put him in Jail so that he cant go back to his country of Origin and do the same.Then deport him after he serves his sentence .

Then we can maybe chop his cock off

ScumLord

eo980 wrote: »

Agreed.

A likely story, this is just another conspiracy to make me believe in a country that doesn't exist.

colliegG

How did he get refugee status in the first place? Don't you need to show that you're fleeing from persecution to get refugee status. If he is in such danger of that how is he able to decide whether to go back to Eritrea or not so his family can visit him. Obviously he's not being persecuted that much!

Proxy

Either send him home or kill him.

Agreed, we shouldn't lock such people up, diverting money away from needful and worthy projects. Nor does he deserve to be "rehabilitated to see the error of his ways". He has raped. He has inflicted a horrific event on another human being. Send him home to be dealt with by his home country, or kill him.

This style of "we'll look after him and make him better in our lovely modern new-thinking country" is overly friendly, idealistic, PC rubbish. International one-upmanship. If he can't see the difference between right and wrong, by definition he is a psychopath. I'm not even going to go on - you get my point.

LadyJ

Proxy wrote: »

Either send him home or kill him.

Agreed, we shouldn't lock such people up, diverting money away from needful and worthy projects. Nor does he deserve to be "rehabilitated to see the error of his ways". He has raped. He has inflicted a horrific event on another human being. Send him home to be dealt with by his home country, or kill him.

This style of "we'll look after him and make him better in our lovely modern new-thinking country" is overly friendly, idealistic, PC rubbish. International one-upmanship. If he can't see the difference between right and wrong, by definition he is a psychopath. I'm not even going to go on - you get my point.

Wow..... I'm lost for words tbh.

Timothy Bryce

Proxy wrote: »

Either send him home or kill him.

Agreed, we shouldn't lock such people up, diverting money away from needful and worthy projects. Nor does he deserve to be "rehabilitated to see the error of his ways". He has raped. He has inflicted a horrific event on another human being. Send him home to be dealt with by his home country, or kill him.

This style of "we'll look after him and make him better in our lovely modern new-thinking country" is overly friendly, idealistic, PC rubbish. International one-upmanship. If he can't see the difference between right and wrong, by definition he is a psychopath. I'm not even going to go on - you get my point.

Genius reasoning friend.

Timothy Bryce

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Genius reasoning friend.

OFF WITH HIS COCK!

Robbo

Proxy wrote: »

Either send him home or kill him.

Agreed, we shouldn't lock such people up, diverting money away from needful and worthy projects. Nor does he deserve to be "rehabilitated to see the error of his ways". He has raped. He has inflicted a horrific event on another human being. Send him home to be dealt with by his home country, or kill him.

This style of "we'll look after him and make him better in our lovely modern new-thinking country" is overly friendly, idealistic, PC rubbish. International one-upmanship. If he can't see the difference between right and wrong, by definition he is a psychopath. I'm not even going to go on - you get my point.

And if we were to kill him, would hanging be "too good" perchance?

DonJose

Proxy wrote: »

He has inflicted a horrific event on another human being. Send him home to be dealt with by his home country, or kill him.

While rapists are scum, I think the death penalty is going overboard, 10-15 years is sufficent. However also in court today was a failed asylum seeker who was found guilty of the murder of a postmaster. That deserves the death penalty. This guy will most likely be sentenced to life, spend 15-20 years before being deported back to China. There aren't many convicted murderers walking the streets of China!!!

Potential-Monke

Bring back the death penalty, cut his penis off and ram it down his throat thus suffocating him. Job cushty!

How is the death penalty overboard for a rapist? Seriuosly, where's the logic???

Morlar

colliegG wrote: »

How did he get refugee status in the first place? Don't you need to show that you're fleeing from persecution to get refugee status. If he is in such danger of that how is he able to decide whether to go back to Eritrea or not so his family can visit him. Obviously he's not being persecuted that much!

There have even been cases of people looking for asylum here on the basis that they commited war crimes in their own country and cant return (the afghan hunger strikers spring to mind).

ScumLord wrote:

A likely story, this is just another conspiracy to make me believe in a country that doesn't exist.

A few years ago ethiopia introduced new banknote currency which had a map of the region on the back of it where the ethiopians re-drew the border to (cunningly) include eritrea as being part of ethiopia again.

If it kicks off again chances are we will be in for a round of asylum seekers that would likely include former child soldiers/rapists and sociopathic war criminals none of whom we will do any kind of meaningful background check on and none of whom will be deported in case anyone calls us racist for doing so.

Proxy

If it kicks off again chances are we will be in for a round of asylum seekers that would likely include former child soldiers/rapists and sociopathic war criminals none of whom we will do any kind of meaningful background check on and none of whom will be deported in case anyone calls us racist for doing so.

Exactly. Does anyone really want Ireland to become a harbour point for people who should be in prison - but instead hear of this magical green land where wages are good and we forget your past? If you want that, they can join the French Legion. At least they do background checks.

The world is not an entirely nice place. There are such thing as dangerous people. And I, for one, do not want my friends/colleagues/future children under threat from such people when it can be prevented. There's enough psycho's in Ireland as it is - just look at the RTE news archives over the last summer.

Potential-Monke

We need to adopt Oz's ways...

echosound

Serve the time here - you commit a heinous crime, you get the punishment of the country you commit it in. Aw sure the poor little fella, not being able to have his family come visit - should have thought of that before he raped his victim. Once the sentence is up, deport him back to his country of origin.

My thinking is - if a country accepts you, you agree to abide by it's laws. If you break them, your welcome is uponce you've served your punishment and off you go back home. Doesn't matter if it's me as an Irish citizen commiting a heinous crime in France or wherever, or an Eritrean in Ireland commiting a heinous crime - once the punishment is served, off back home with you for your home country to deal with you.

rcs

If anyone granted refugee status, commits a crime of this magnitude they should serve their sentence here & upon release be deported back to their country of origin. End of story.

If they don't respect the rules & laws of the country they seek to live in send them home.

Innervision

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Bring back the death penalty, cut his penis off and ram it down his throat thus suffocating him. Job cushty!

How is the death penalty overboard for a rapist? Seriuosly, where's the logic???

The logic is this: if you've the same sentences for both rape and murder, what's to stop the rapist then murdering his victim? Same sentence if he's caught, but no chance of the victim turning him in is there?

Potential-Monke

Nothing, like there is nothing stopping them doing it now. A rapist will be a rapist, doesn't want to kill, thats why they're called rapists and not murderers.

Innervision

True, but it just gives them a motive to kill. More chance of them getting off. They're already sickos anyway, not likely that they value human life too much...

Nuttzz

a bullet costs €1, save the taxpayer a fortune. sadly i know a couple of rape victims, it took many years for them to recover, and one ended her life because of it. shot the lot of them tbh

sunnyjim

LadyJ wrote:

Wow..... I'm lost for words tbh.

Why is that?

Rehab doesn't work. It's doomed to failure.

A-Trak

The recidivism of sexual offenders is extremely high.

Chemical castration would be a more just and economical solution.

LadyJ

sunnyjim wrote: »

Rehab doesn't work. It's doomed to failure.

What exactly are you basing this assumption on?

There has never been enough money or effort put into rehabilitation or studying these people for us to know what could work.Rapists,murderers etc. are just people. There are many things that cause criminals to act in they way they do but until we understand fully what those things are I don't see how killing them can be justified. That's just crazy imo.

Also, killing people is a quick fix (if even). Do you think that if we kill as many of them as possible that eventually we'll breed them out or something? There will always be criminals. Our main job should be to understand and rehabilitate them.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Let the women of Ireland kick him to death.

Timothy Bryce

LadyJ wrote: »

What exactly are you basing this assumption on?

There has never been enough money or effort put into rehabilitation or studying these people for us to know what could work.Rapists,murderers etc. are just people. There are many things that cause criminals to act in they way they do but until we understand fully what those things are I don't see how killing them can be justified. That's just crazy imo.

Also, killing people is a quick fix (if even). Do you think that if we kill as many of them as possible that eventually we'll breed them out or something? There will always be criminals. Our main job should be to understand and rehabilitate them.

Sensible comment - the only way to weed these issues out of society is to try and understand why people do what they do

togster

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Sensible comment - the only way to weed these issues out of society is to try and understand why people do what they do

Exactly, people who shout to kill or castrate the guy are not thinking properly. Its obvious there is a problem with violent crime in Ireland. The locking them up approach isn't working.

Trojan911

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

Then we can maybe chop his cock off

Not a bad idea, rehabilitation in one swoop. Send him to prison in accordance with the laws of this country then deport him back to his country of origin.

Timothy Bryce

Trojan911 wrote: »

Not a bad idea, rehabilitation in one swoop. Send him to prison in accordance with the laws of this country then deport him back to his country of origin.

You know that would solve the problem!

Blisterman

togster wrote: »

Exactly, people who shout to kill or castrate the guy are not thinking properly. Its obvious there is a problem with violent crime in Ireland. The locking them up approach isn't working.

It's not working because they're not catching a lot of them.

bytesize

LadyJ wrote: »

Good idea.

I'm sick of people saying we should lock up criminals and throw away the key. We need to put more effort into rehabilitating these people and understanding them rather than keeping them locked up and forgetting about them. Makes no sense.

yeah, don't think so. Try tell that to the person he raped. Or better yet why don't we just try rehabilitate some pedophiles that commit a horrible crime and let them roam the streets.

I think we should make them serve their time and then deport them when its served.

arybvtcw0eolkf

LadyJ wrote: »

There has never been enough money or effort put into rehabilitation or studying these people for us to know what could work.Rapists,murderers etc. are just people. There are many things that cause criminals to act in they way they do but until we understand fully what those things are I don't see how killing them can be justified. That's just crazy imo.

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Understand them my arse.

Its about time they understood US!.. Let THEM understand that we don't want murderers, rapists, fraudsters, thieves, drugs pushers etc in our communities.

There are far too many people willing to make excuses for these animals, too many bleeding hearted liberals.

LadyJ

I just want to say to bytesize that I never said we shouldn't lock people up but there should also be more efforts made to rehabilitate. I feel for the victims of all criminals but paedophiles, rapists, murderers are all people at the end of the day and it is society we are hoping to protect so it is society who should start trying to learn more about these people.

You cannot hope to battle/solve anything without fully understanding it first.

And Mairt, I am not making excuses but like you, I have no idea what causes people to act in such ways and so I could not ever condone killing them because I would hope to learn about them. I agree that we need to remove these people from society but there should be efforts made to study them also.

Prison should be less about revenge and more about rehab imo.

Morlar

LadyJ wrote: »

I just want to say to bytesize that I never said we shouldn't lock people up but there should also be more efforts made to rehabilitate. I feel for the victims of all criminals but paedophiles, rapists, murderers are all people at the end of the day and it is society we are hoping to protect so it is society who should start trying to learn more about these people.

You cannot hope to battle/solve anything without fully understanding it first.

And Mairt, I am not making excuses but like you, I have no idea what causes people to act in such ways and so I could not ever condone killing them because I would hope to learn about them. I agree that we need to remove these people from society but there should be efforts made to study them also.

Prison should be less about revenge and more about rehab imo.

Ok thats your vote - mine would be he serves his full maximum sentence and then is immediately and permanently deported.

LadyJ

Morlar wrote: »

Ok thats your vote - mine would be he serves his full maximum sentence and then is immediately and permanently deported.

I don't disagree. I never said people shouldn't serve their full sentence.

My argument was that, while in prison, money and effort should be put into studying and rehabilitating criminals.

Trojan911

LadyJ wrote: »

You cannot hope to battle/solve anything without fully understanding it first.

There are people out there interviewing these people trying to understand them & their ways. They have been doing this for a long time now. Criminologists also try to build a profile of why people offend by interviewing the convicted prisoner.

Rehabilitation will not work for everyone. Money & effort is being provided whilst in prison for rehabilitation purposes. Sure, rehabilitate them, but behind bars and no remission of sentence for completeing these courses.

Potential-Monke

togster wrote: »

The locking them up approach isn't working.

And the reason it's not working is because prison is too nice now! They got their Sky digital with their own tv's, playstations, papers, 3 meals a day with a choice of 3 things at each meal, special requests catered for, and they learn a trade! To me, if i committed a crime and got sent to jail, and was treated as well as they are, it wouldn't rehabiliate me, it would make me comfortable knowing that if i get caught again it's not going to be that bad!

Plus, they can get out with about 1/3 of their sentance done on "good behaviour". Stupid system.

Back to bread and water and breaking rocks!

meglome

rcs wrote: »

If anyone granted refugee status, commits a crime of this magnitude they should serve their sentence here & upon release be deported back to their country of origin. End of story.

If they don't respect the rules & laws of the country they seek to live in send them home.

As I know people who've been raped I couldn't agree with this more. Committing any serious crime should mean deportation after your sentence. It's right that we take refugees in but that right should be taken away once they commit a serious crime. The same should go for Irish people abroad.