Mayweather best of all time ???

The Al Lad

Floyd Mayweather this week described himself as the best fighter of all time, he said he respects wat Ali did for boxing but says that he is the greatest

anyone agree or disagree

i don't agree with this, not for a second

Peyton Manning

Greatest fighter of his generation, yes. Greatest fighter in the weights he has competed in, yes.

Greatest fighter of all time? No.

telecaster

I'll tell ya after the Hatton fight!

He's one of the best I've ever seen though. A phenomenal talent.

dlofnep

No, he's not and nowhere near to it. He needs to fight more top names, even after the hatton fight.

Black Ball

No PBF has a lot, but he hasnt got everything.
he can be quite boring to watch , and has avoided all the top competition when at their peaks.

I think Gomez proved what standard Gatti is at, then fighting Baldomir , and running all night.
the fans boo'ed Mayweather off the ring that night, they were leaving early and all.
Oscar was past his best , and hadnt the hunger , it was a paycheque to oscar , never dependant on a win.

Yeah he is skillful alright , no doubt. but a step far ahead of anybody else ?.....nah.

Mayweather's personality fits the media's requirements like a glove.
that type of arrogance and cockiness gives the reporters plenty to write about, and im afraid that the media have picked him as the P4P #1, everybody else followed like sheep.

I could however, give mayweather my P4P vote , if he fought more aggressively and his protection against dangerous opponents was lifted.

Hatton is good fighter, but this whole fight has come off that one body shot against Castillio. long time boxing fans should know that hatton isnt a particularly strong puncher, couldnt hurt collazo who is a feather fisted boxer, and Urango has a much stronger punch than hatton.

Im afraid Hatton is facing the bigger man in PBF ,... it remains to be seen whether PBF uses his size over hatton , or it could be a case of hatton being picked off with jabs from a mayweather on the outside.

At the end of the day one must wonder why Mayweather hasnt fought the biggest names in a weight that is the glorious bracket of our era.

theone

Mayweather might be bigger but not as strong,I think mayweather is the only welterweight of world class that hatton can push round ,for example cotto at welter hatton wouldn't have a hope but down at 140 he might have a chance.

your saying long time boxing fans but only mention two fights of his which he was poor collazo and urango shouldn't you base your opinion on more than two fights thats why american boxing "experts" are writing him off by judging him on those fights and those fights alone.
Saying urango has a stronger punch then hatton has me a little bewildered.

mayweather did duck alot of fighters don't get me wrong you have to be something special to win world titles at 5 different weights but if he's as great as he's telling everbody he shouldn't duck anyone.......

Better than Ali or Robinson I think not

cowzerp

This cant be judged till the end of his carreer, you never know, he is excellent-so is ali, leonard etc...

Running Bing

dlofnep wrote: »

No, he's not and nowhere near to it. He needs to fight more top names, even after the hatton fight.

Like who dlo? I really cant see that many big fights for him out there tbh.

Margarito, Williams? Not really up there with the DE la Hoyas and Hattons of the world.


Theres Cotto as well which I would love to see but a win against Hatton should dispel all the dounters imo.

dlofnep

Babybing wrote: »

Like who dlo? I really cant see that many big fights for him out there tbh.

Margarito, Williams? Not really up there with the DE la Hoyas and Hattons of the world.

Cotto for a start. Williams is an interesting fight for him too.. along with Kermit Cintron. All of these make for interesting fights.

Running Bing

dlofnep wrote: »

Cotto for a start. Williams is an interesting fight for him too.. along with Kermit Cintron. All of these make for interesting fights.

I forgot winky wright as well. Thatw ould be an awesome fight.


Cintron and Williams just wont happen imo. Floyd would never take them. They are fights real boxing fans would love to see but they would both be a step down and fighting for the sake of fighting and Floyd aint gonna do that.

Cotto and Wright are the two most likely imo and I can see him beating Hatton then Cotto and retiring.


Winky wright would be a very dangerous fight for him.

dlofnep

Winky is too big for him IMO. What weight could they even fight at?

jayroyal

Whats with everyone wanting lads to fight people too big for them winky wright is just too big for floyd he just fought at light heavy god even the boxing news or monthly had a piece about paqman fighting del la hoya :eek: how mad is it getting .

walshb

He's gotta' be kidding right?

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

He's gotta' be kidding right?

Why? he is special.

buck65

nice boxer, good defensively certainly in the top 100 boxers but in my book not even top 20

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Why? he is special.

He is special and is very very talented Paul, but the title is best of all time??

Ok, I personally can think of many greater and proved greater IMO...

Duran, Pryor, Hearns, Leonard, Whitaker......

PBF is a fantastic fighter, but a notch below the guys I mentioned and would lose
to all at 140 and 147. He probably would not hear the final bell....

I also believe a peak Oscar, Mosley and JCC might be just too good for him

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

He is special and is very very talented Paul, but the title is best of all time??

Ok, I personally can think of many greater and proved greater IMO...

Duran, Pryor, Hearns, Leonard, Whitaker......

PBF is a fantastic fighter, but a notch below the guys I mentioned and would lose
to all at 140 and 147. He probably would not hear the final bell....

I also believe a peak Oscar, Mosley and JCC might be just too good for him

Personally Brendan i dont like to rate fighters legendary status untill there finished and you can look back at all there career, he has won 5 titles at different weights like ray leonard and fights in the same sort of style as leonard and has his defining duran type fight coming up!

1 thing about mayweather is how underrated he is because people dont like him, when he retires people will look at it differently, if he retires unbeaten then he deserves legendary status up there with sugar ray leonard and that type of fighter.

his boxing skills are on a different planet to anyone in or around his weight division and the only other present boxer that can be talked about like this is pacquaio..

many of the legends we worship where not thought of as great as they where during there careers untill they retired and people seen the difference in standard thats left behind..

walshb

Well said. However, I cannot really rate Mayweather as anything other than a ten stone fighter. IMO he is not a true welter and his JM title is farcical. He would never have won a welter title or JM title in other eras, especially not Ray's or Tommy's. I don't even believe he would have won a JM title had he fought the true champion, Winky Wright.
I actually believe he is overrated and the hype of him winning 5 titles is funny. Two-Three at best I think.

I also do NOT rate Leonard's 5 titles as he won two in one night in defeating an average Lalonde...But Ray was definitely a 3 weight great and proved so. PBF IMO is fighting in a far inferior era than what welters used to be....

So PBF at 135lbs and 140lbs is a real real talent and that's as far as it goes IMO.
I cannot rate him close to all time great above these weights and even at the 135-140lb range IMO he loses to several past greats...

His performance V Oscar was very poor and I don't even believe he should have got the decision. He did nothing but run and run and cover up and throw the odd combo.
Can you imagine him trying to beat Hearns or Leonard or Jackson or McCallum with that
effort....he'd get wiped out...

megadodge

Walshb, I'm with you on this one, except in an all-time context I only rate Mayweather as a super-feather. In that division he's as good as there ever was and his results and dominance prove that.

As a lightweight, IMO he lost his first fight against Castillo, then won the rematch but didn't exactly look impressive doing so. Two defences against Sosa and N'dou and that's his lightweight resume. Doesn't exactly compare to Duran, Whitaker et al.

It's even worse at light-welter. A very unimpressive performance against DeMarcus Corley, followed by Bruseles (who ?) then a completely washed up Gatti, who only had an alphabet title because it was stripped from the real champ. That's it. He never fought Tsyzu, Hatton or Cotto, all of whom were there to be fought at the time.

At welter he fought a washed up light-welter Sharmba Mitchell, then a past it light-welter Judah, then a good, solid and tough but nothing special Baldomir then a very, very close decision over a past it De La Hoya.

That's the breakdown and it ain't as impressive as saying "5 world titles". If he were to go on and beat Hatton, Williams, Cintron and Margarito then I'd say that's impressive but at the moment only his super-feather stats make impressive reading.

walshb

megadodge wrote: »

Walshb, I'm with you on this one, except in an all-time context I only rate Mayweather as a super-feather. In that division he's as good as there ever was and his results and dominance prove that.

As a lightweight, IMO he lost his first fight against Castillo, then won the rematch but didn't exactly look impressive doing so. Two defences against Sosa and N'dou and that's his lightweight resume. Doesn't exactly compare to Duran, Whitaker et al.

It's even worse at light-welter. A very unimpressive performance against DeMarcus Corley, followed by Bruseles (who ?) then a completely washed up Gatti, who only had an alphabet title because it was stripped from the real champ. That's it. He never fought Tsyzu, Hatton or Cotto, all of whom were there to be fought at the time.

At welter he fought a washed up light-welter Sharmba Mitchell, then a past it light-welter Judah, then a good, solid and tough but nothing special Baldomir then a very, very close decision over a past it De La Hoya.

That's the breakdown and it ain't as impressive as saying "5 world titles". If he were to go on and beat Hatton, Williams, Cintron and Margarito then I'd say that's impressive but at the moment only his super-feather stats make impressive reading.

So you are even harsher than me on your rating of Floyd.
You are correct in your summation of PBF's
resume NORTH of 130lbs...

However, I rate him at peak very very good at 135 and 140, despite his little time their cementing his legacy.
I think he would do very well against other great fighters at these weights in
a one-one fantasy scenario.

Above these weights, PBF is very ordinary and well beatable by the true welters and 154lbers....

jayroyal

walshb wrote: »

So you are even harsher than me on your rating of Floyd.
You are correct in your summation of PBF's
resume NORTH of 130lbs...

However, I rate him at peak very very good at 135 and 140, despite his little time their cementing his legacy.
I think he would do very well against other great fighters at these weights in
a one-one fantasy scenario.

Above these weights, PBF is very ordinary and well beatable by the true welters and 154lbers....

think your spot on there i'm a huge fan of floyd myself but moving up all these weights you just can't be as strong as a lad who's world champ there since the start like if paq man fought floyd at super feather i could see him getting well beaten by floyd but at fly batam and super batam he's one of the best ever.
I feel Floyd at super feather is a living legend in that weight class but no way at welter Still fancy him to stop ricky.