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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Bungalow Bill


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    Emmm Whitehead isn't deemed good enough for their midfield, hence his inclusion at right back at the start of the season. Class act though and adds loads to their survival chances :rolleyes:

    Come on Derby next week.


    You have absolutley no idea what you are talking about.

    Dean Whitehead is the club captain and was instrumental is the promotion last year. He is one of the few survivors from the last time they were in the premiership, and as someone mentioned, he is a renowned qulaity player.

    He was an emergency right back given that nosworthy was injured last week, and halford has something of a confidence problem at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    So if they had of come second you wouldn't be arguing? Promotion is promotion from the Championship whether it's first or throught the playoffs. It's what comes next that's important i.e building a good team. He hasn't done it.
    ?? In your previous post you had said "what has he achieved?" And i answered it by saying he didn't JUST get promotion, he won. Winning is obviously better then second, or third, or fourth.

    A lot of people have said that, the same way they say he should be Ireland manager.

    I meant in this argument. (A lot of people say stupid things, im sure retarded arguments have been made on this topic, just not in this debate here, so not relevent thankfully) The people defending have just said "well he did well last year, made some mistakes but has plenty of time to learn, has plenty of time to turn it around and has a very decent chance of staying up". Thats about the size of it, and i agree with all of it.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Roar wrote: »
    I'm sure sunderland's legions of irish fans must be devestated
    Who are these people? I don't seem to meet many of them.

    As for McShane, he'll be a class act imo. Needs an organiser beside him atm like the vast majority of 21 year old centre halves.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Gordon is a very good goalkeeper, Jones is a good target man upfront who is still young and can improve, They have two good wingers (for that half of the table) in Richardsson and Edwards, McShane is a good defender and it seems he will soon be joined by uniteds Evans.

    They are as good as the other teams that like Sunderland knew before the season started would be fighting relegation i.e Wigan, Boro, Derby, Birmingham, Fulham etc although there is a big gap in standards between these teams and the rest of the premiership.

    Despite him being backed, winning the championship was a decent achievement for Keane and if Quinn and Co. continue to back him in January which they have already indicated they would then he might just go one better and establish the club as a premiership side. They need to improve the centre of midfield IMO but i think they will survive even if its a 4th last finish on the final day (im sure Roy would take that now).

    to be Relegated: Derby, Wigan and Boro


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭genericgoon


    And there I was thinking this was going to be a joke topic, how disappointing to find all this hate and bickering. All I can add is judge him on where Sunderland end the year as the bottom half is going to stay piled up for a while yet and any number of teams could end up relegated


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    He will be judged at seasons end. If Sunderland are relegated he will probably get the sack. if not, he's a hero. Some people here seem to think staying up in the Premiership is an easy task. Lets wait and see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Galvasean wrote: »
    He will be judged at seasons end. If Sunderland are relegated he will probably get the sack. if not, he's a hero. Some people here seem to think staying up in the Premiership is an easy task. Lets wait and see.

    gaurantee you if Derby and brum had 30 million to stay up they would find it a piece of piss as they have good managers, bruce bought kapo and he single handedly gonna keep them up, Derby are ****ed tho.


    kdjac


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    Really? You guarantee it. Gee that's great. Birmingham's squad was much much much better than Sunderlands squad and still is. Why? Cause Bruce has been around for a while and has gotten the squad he put together. Keane is still doing this.

    This hatred people have for him is actually so pathetic its laughable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    its not the fact that sunderland are capable of holding their own thats gonna keep them up this season... its that theres much worse in the premiership, namely Derby, Wigan and boro.

    keane made a complete hash of his summer spending. i dont like keane but its pretty obvious that he has some talent as a manager, but until he works out a way to better spend his money he's gonna struggle, he can only manage what he has in his squad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    PHB wrote: »
    Really? You guarantee it. Gee that's great. Birmingham's squad was much much much better than Sunderlands squad and still is. Why? Cause Bruce has been around for a while and has gotten the squad he put together. Keane is still doing this.

    This hatred people have for him is actually so pathetic its laughable.

    brum lost their best 2 players last xmas irc?

    the love some people have for him actually pathetic, seriously he doesnt play for your club or your country as he chose not too :confused:


    kdjac


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    seriously he doesnt play for your club or your country as he chose not too :confused:


    kdjac



    Bit fat yawn, are we still going on about this? There was an arguement which resulted in him not playing for a particular manager. He played for the next manager. Has happened with load sof players and for lesser reasons.

    He never played for my club (would love if he had) and I really like the guy.

    The anti-keane agenda of some people is equally pathetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Bit fat yawn, are we still going on about this? There was an arguement which resulted in him not playing for a particular manager. He played for the next manager. Has happened with load sof players and for lesser reasons.

    He never played for my club (would love if he had) and I really like the guy.

    The anti-keane agenda of some people is equally pathetic.

    I agree.

    And more importantly, its not important. Personal opinions of the guy dont really matter, the only question is - How has he done in his first management position so far?

    IMO he's done well, went into a tough situation, a lot of bad results already in the league under Quinn, off the back of crashing out of the premiership in spectacularly bad fashion, started his tenure effectively on minus points and managed to get the team clawing their way up the table to win the league. Had a tough time this year, which is always the case with promoted teams (with the odd exception like wigan and reading who usually get a second season shock), but all in all not that bad. Still has a very very good chance of staying up and whether you like him or not, that could only be seen as a a hugely successful 2 years. To be honest id say the club would be reasonably happy with just still being in the frame come april considering they hadn't even expected to get up to the premiership so soon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,571 ✭✭✭delta_bravo


    Just wanted to add after watching the game that Mc Shane was absolutely dire. He was at complete fault for at least 3 or 4 of the goals and should be dropped


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    As for McShane, he'll be a class act imo. Needs an organiser beside him atm like the vast majority of 21 year old centre halves.

    Why can't he be the organizer if he's on the way to being such a class act?

    Seemed to be at fault for most of Evertons goals today. Funny watching his big ginger head bobbing around like a brainless eejit today. Meanwhile Andy O'Brien helps his team to a clean sheet against United.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    Roar wrote: »
    it's not a half decent centre half (evans) that sunderland need, it's a change at the top. Does Niall have the cojones to do what's right for the club?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Thanks for the laugh.

    There's a long way to go yet matey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,985 ✭✭✭✭Gavin "shels"


    Roar wrote: »
    I'm sure sunderland's legions of irish fans must be devestated, it's looking more and more like the drop every week.

    Staunton for sunderland!


    Only "Irish" football fans come out with this stuff, classic. Fickle Fickle Fickle.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Only "Irish" football fans come out with this stuff, classic. Fickle Fickle Fickle.:rolleyes:

    Is that all you ever post about?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Jonny Arson


    jury is out on Keane for me

    imo Sunderland have one of the weakest squads in terms of ability in the Premiership and this should not have been the case when you were given a chequebook of £30+ million.... Higginbotham, Halford, McShane (yes, he is shockingly overrrated), Chopra, Etuhu are not Premiership players and were very questionable signings from day one. he made too many signings, the continuity of last seasons very decent squad is smashed when you sign 12 new players, he would have been better off adding 5 or 6 really quality signings instead of some of the mediocrity he brought in. aside from Gordon, Jones and Richardson i fail to see where they are a significantly improved team from last season.

    of course he did well to get them promoted last season, with a chequebook or not promotion is an achievement in itself and required good management, however football is cutthroat and with that level of money spent Sunderland should not be comtemplating the word 'relegation' this season. ok with so many new players it may take longer than you would imagine to gel but he needs to turn them around very soon or the 'chequebook manager' jibes may very well become justified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 521 ✭✭✭Prowetod


    PHB wrote: »

    This hatred people have for him is actually so pathetic its laughable.

    Exactly!

    Keane has loads of time left to try and prove himself as a manager in the premiership.

    All those peolpe complaining about whatever should came down its only a stupid game!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Jonny Arson


    eoccork wrote: »
    Exactly!

    Keane has loads of time left to try and prove himself as a manager in the premiership.

    All those peolpe complaining about whatever should came down its only a stupid game!
    its a football discussion forum, people are allowed to give their opinions on whether he's doing a good job or not, that's what forums are for. i'm a Keane fan but it seems some of his fans are way too sensitive to any constructive criticism about the guy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    I also think some of the grudges against Keane and Sunderland are ridiculous. In fact, I've seen way more Reading jerseys around the place with Doyle on the back than Sunderland jerseys. But I'm not gonna get into all that now.

    Keane certainly isn't above criticism - what he did last year was spectacular, no doubt about it (and anyone who denies that has blinkers on). I thought he did very well in the transfer market, bringing in the likes of Miller, Yorke, Edwards etc. But this season, some of his summer signings really left me scratching my head. Higginbottom, Anderson, Halford to name a few. Jones and Gordon were his only quality signings, and that's not a great return from the amount of money he spent.

    Still, I do think they will stay up. First thing they need to do is get Edwards and Whitehead back. Then they need to get to January, where no doubt Quinn will open his cheque book again. Then Keane needs to bring some quality in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Pigman II wrote: »
    Why can't he be the organizer if he's on the way to being such a class act?
    What players of his age are leading the line in defence? Dunne was terrible at 21 if left to his own devices. O'Brien? We already saw what he was like playing beside O'Shea. Probably the worst defensive performance I've seen from Ireland players (Cyprus was bad but that was mainly down to having no midfield). I just can't see McShane failing to be a success. I know I'm probably alone in that thinking now though. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    eirebhoy wrote: »
    What players of his age are leading the line in defence? Dunne was terrible at 21 if left to his own devices. O'Brien? We already saw what he was like playing beside O'Shea. Probably the worst defensive performance I've seen from Ireland players (Cyprus was bad but that was mainly down to having no midfield). I just can't see McShane failing to be a success. I know I'm probably alone in that thinking now though. :)

    John Terry and Rio Ferdinand were both leading CB's at their clubs at 21. I'm sure there's lots of other examples past and present in the prem and in other top leagues. The fact alone that McShane was rejected by United shows he's not up to it. Ferguson doesn't let many go that come back to haunt him.

    Fair play to you if you can see something in McShane. All I've seen is a limited guy who busted his gut on his international debut when we were looking for somone/anyone to make us forget about about the disaster in Cyprus and who has been given a free ticket ever since.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    In fairness, motm in nearly every game he played for Brighton. It's only Championship level I know but he's hardly built a reputation on one game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    He's building quite a reputation for himself lately too, and that isn't on one game either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,096 ✭✭✭An Citeog


    Pigman II wrote: »
    John Terry and Rio Ferdinand were both leading CB's at their clubs at 21. I'm sure there's lots of other examples past and present in the prem and in other top leagues. The fact alone that McShane was rejected by United shows he's not up to it. Ferguson doesn't let many go that come back to haunt him.

    Fair play to you if you can see something in McShane. All I've seen is a limited guy who busted his gut on his international debut when we were looking for somone/anyone to make us forget about about the disaster in Cyprus and who has been given a free ticket ever since.

    How many of Ireland's centre halves would get into the United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea first team. Just because he was let go by United doesn't mean he's not up to it as a professional footballer. He lacks the pace to make it to the very top but at 21, he's one of the brightest defensive prospects we've had in a while.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    An Citeog wrote: »
    How many of Ireland's centre halves would get into the United, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea first team. Just because he was let go by United doesn't mean he's not up to it as a professional footballer. He lacks the pace to make it to the very top but at 21, he's one of the brightest defensive prospects we've had in a while.

    See my examples. Ferdinand was at West Ham. Terry was at (pre-Abramovich) Chelsea. Neither club was hardly champions League material at the time so I'm not even setting the bar as high as you presume.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    LMFAO at the Ferdinand and Terry comments, are you ****ting me??? you think they were the leading centre halves at 21????? i think the older more experienced centre halves that were guiding them in their early careers might disagree


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,921 ✭✭✭✭Pigman II


    kryogen wrote: »
    LMFAO at the Ferdinand and Terry comments, are you ****ting me??? you think they were the leading centre halves at 21????? i think the older more experienced centre halves that were guiding them in their early careers might disagree

    So who was the older more experienced guy at West Ham? Ian Pearce/Neil Ruddock? Yes I'm sure Rio will look back on his career in years to come and acknowledge those two worldbeaters taught him everything he knows.

    OMG, FTW, LOL etc.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Is it just me or is mcshane the worst centre half in our universe?


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