port's gone to the dogs

stevoman

does anybody else think that portarlington has turned into a dump in the last ten years? im local, lived there all of my life, thats almost thrity years and i think that the town is just not what it used to be (obviously), but its just turned to an undesirable commuter hole, where you just dont know people anymore and lets face it its got a lot rougher.

not looking to start a heated arguement, but any views?

ports best

i tink your kinda right lad,i,ve lived here all my life too and theres certainly been some serious changes for the worse and better i sopose, ya nearly know no one now when you walk doen the town,its nearly not even safe enough to walk down it as well

stevoman

yep thats generally the felling about the town alright. i remember when you knew everybody and the town was actually a nice place to live in. now you know nobody, and the place looks an absolute state.

The leinster express put it perfect when they described the town when they did the right up on it about on the tidy towns. The headline for portarlington read "suburb of dublin".
I think that sums it all up.

connundrum

It was kind of inevitable really. Urban sprawl and unplanned mess are two phrases I'd use to describe Port now.

I still have an interview I did with Ray Cribbin and Paul Mitchell prior to the local elections in 2004, and both were crowing on about how Portarlington will become a great community town, and how the council are being very carefull about where they give planning permission etc.

Bollocks.

I remember being in Navan about 8 years ago and commented on how it was a small town which had taken a lot of overflow from the Dublin suburbs. It didn't appear to have any real community as noone was there during the day, sure everyone was in Dublin working. Same thing is the situation in Port now. Kinda sad really.

ports best

i think there was just no amenties put into the town to keep up with everyone that was comeing into it, our sewrage is goin to feck, every other day the towns flooded with **** and stuff,just look at portlaoise and tullamore, ya see how much they have come on in the past few years, we still have feck all

stevoman

yep, the planning is an absolute disgrace. i was talking to a county council planner about 7 years ago in conversation and she said portarlington at that time was'nt able to deal with the sewage. since then nothing has been done. the town has been overwhelmed with housing, for pure profit and the town council members hav'nt seen to have done that bad out of it.

we dont even have a festival anymore and the local feel has just gone from the town compleltly.

question for anyone who knows... is it true that dublin corporation has rehoused a great many familys in private housing in portarlington, whilst locals have to pay massive house prices???

undecided

dont know if dublin corporation are houseing people but there are houses let by "a council". I know of two houses in my estate which is a new estate about 4 yrs old.

As for the situation in port I agree. Im not originally from port but have lived in the contry for few years although originally a dub. If i had of known it was so much like Dublin I wouldnt have moved here. You would barely know your next door neighbour let alone who you meet on the street.

stevoman

well i hope to be out of the town and in the country or moving further away from dublin in the next few years as i think the "communter belt" has ruined the town. Thanks for your views, undecided, its nice to see what people who are not originally from the town think of it.

ODS

I am familiar with Portarlington, although I am not from it. I think some very valid points have been made by other contributors regarding the over development of dormitary suburbs in the town in recent years.

Its a real shame, rich in pretty vernacular Georgian architecture, Portarlington could have been developed to a far higher standard had some thought been put into it. It's a naturally attractive town in terms of streetscapes with some interesting doorcases.

Instead, pre-existing features that had amenity potential were deliberately run down - while extra stress loads have been put on the town by the new estates. Increased population, particularly of teenagers/ young families, in a town with less amenities really does not make sense.

By amenities that have been down-graded or abandoned, I am referring to

The Grand Canal branch that was filled in with a road put on top of it in the 80's; this was a real shame - canals can provide focal areas for a whole range of leisure and tourism activities, if the environment is appropriately interpreted. Instead, rather than a new road built adjacent to the canal, it was built on top - a cheap and nasty little solution. (Btw Portarlington wasnt the only town at this - it was also official plans in Dublin to fill all the canals in and do likewise). The Main Square and area leading to bridge: The natural focus of the town, a key feature of the planned layout with a fine Market House as centre piece that dates from 1800. Also here are the Odeon Cinema building, and what's left of Arlington House - where both Carson and Wellington were educated. Problem is Odeon is long since closed/ derelict, Arlington was let go to ruin and is now safely beyond rescue (maybe its already gone?), while the Market House is a shabby run down garage. Lovely :rolleyes:. Other prominent buildings in the area have also had aggressive development permitted in immediate attendant grounds (I'm thinking of a large late Georgian detatched house on the road to the station). Other features in the area that have not been utilised - Lea Castle comes to mind, with it's massive Cromwell-slighted ruins... Not many know about this place, and actually maybe thats as well as in the absence of a vistor mangement plan, its likely that it would only get thrashed. All the same, its an example of another potential amenity not being used.

All in all, imo the people in Portarlington have been cheated - all the pressures of celtic tiger development without the amenities of the town being brought up to match... if there's bugger all for youf/ community to engage in, can we expect any better than the now prevalent and tacky boy racer culture?

Roaster

I originally moved down to Port (from Dublin) about 5 yrs ago now on the recommendation of a fellow Dub who moved down 5 yrs previously. The simple fact was I couldn't afford house in Dublin and to tell the truth I didn't fancy living in Dublin anymore after spending 4 yrs in Wexford. It's only when you leave Dublin you realise how mad it actually is, traffic, junkies, etc. To be far it was mostly the traffic that forced me out.

I love Port, still do. Maybe that's because I don't spend that much time in the town. It doesn't help that we've very few cops (but that's a problem everywhere now). I have a scumbag living next door to me but I just keep to myself and they do too even when they're knocking lumps out of each other.

I think it's easy to blame the Dubs but I agree with ODS the lack of amenities doesn't help and from my experience the majority of boy-racers in Port are from Port.

With reference to Cribbin and Mitchell they're two self serving bastards (and I've no problem saying that). I've dealt with them through our residents association and the stuff they promised to do for us. Needless to say we're still waiting. I think most people realised what the local councilors were like after the fiasco of the school site being sold for development and all our esteemed reps not uttering a word in protest.

Our estate is a fine mixture of dubs, locals, kildare and even non-nationals. We've only really had trouble in the estate twice in 5 yrs and that was actually caused by visitors. I think the majority of people in Port are grand but like everywhere else you have scumbags and if they're allowed get away with what they're doing, they'll just keep doing it.

Another reason for all the hassle lately can be summed up in one word - COCAINE! It's everywhere now and I think this has more to do with the recent decline in people's behaviour than anything else.

stevoman

Roaster wrote: »

With reference to Cribbin and Mitchell they're two self serving bastards (and I've no problem saying that). I've dealt with them through our residents association and the stuff they promised to do for us. Needless to say we're still waiting. I think most people realised what the local councilors were like after the fiasco of the school site being sold for development and all our esteemed reps not uttering a word in protest.

I agree with you 110% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve_o

Roaster wrote: »

With reference to Cribbin and Mitchell they're two self serving bastards (and I've no problem saying that). I've dealt with them through our residents association and the stuff they promised to do for us. Needless to say we're still waiting. I think most people realised what the local councilors were like after the fiasco of the school site being sold for development and all our esteemed reps not uttering a word in protest.

I also agree with this...i'm from Port born and bred and its gone to the dogs and none of our councillors have done anything!!! Its a shame that this town is on such a slippery slope!!

connundrum

*cough*

So basically.. Port's gone to the dogs.

My brother is thinking of moving back down there with a couple of mates. His logic is that for what he's paying for a single bedroom in a house in Dublin he could have the best part of a 2/3 bedroom house down there. There's no arguing that.

I'm trying to explain the other points such as commuting costs, and the time spent commuting. The fact that unless you've a car, you'll be pretty much stuck in the town 7 days a week, relying on lifts, trains and a dodgy bus service. That you've no cinama round the corner, shopping centre down the road or the selection of college courses which are available part time in Dublin.

All that said, he still wants to move down. Ah well, at least I'll have a spare bed when I go down for weekends

stevoman

connundrum wrote: »

So basically.. Port's gone to the dogs.

And then some.........:(

sydthebeat

Whilst i agree with the majority of this thread, i still have to say that im thanking the lucky stars i dont live in nearby similar towns like Mountmellick or Monasterevan. If you think Port is a dump then you dont know these dives at all. Both M/Mellick and M/evan are similar in size to Port but havent half the social outlets we do.

We have probably one of the largest ratios of pubs to population of any town in Ireland... on last counting i think it was up to 22 drinking holes. We have an exceptional swimming pool, which was always to the envy of other towns, even in its previous state. We have a decent and accessible community centre, two top quality GAA pitches, one with soon to be top quality clubhouse, a rugby club, soccer club, angling club, equestrian schools, and arts school, two excellent golf courses (one affordable!:)), a wide range of restaurants and cafes and two nightclubs *cough *
It was always the case of 'houses come first, amenities come second'... thus we will have a new school soon on station road, the secondary school has been extended recently.

The town is badly in need of amenities such as a cinema, a bowling alley, a shopping centre or business area akin to tullamore. There was one planned for sandy lane but unfortunately never came to fruition. But it must be mentioned that these are accessible at most 20mins away. I wont bore you about the lack of facilities we had when i was growing up.

Now you can deconstruct my arguement as much as you want but hand on heart i am honestly happy to live in Port today... i know it will continue to expand (amenity and business wise).

connundrum

sydthebeat wrote: »

on last counting i think it was up to 22 drinking holes. We have an exceptional swimming pool, which was always to the envy of other towns, even in its previous state. We have a decent and accessible community centre, two top quality GAA pitches, one with soon to be top quality clubhouse, a rugby club, soccer club, angling club, equestrian schools, and arts school, two excellent golf courses (one affordable!:)), a wide range of restaurants and cafes and two nightclubs.

Whilst not wating to deconstruct your argument, I will say that everything you've mentioned above is true. The only problem is that when I first moved to the Port area 13 years ago, 99% of the facilities you've mentioned were already there (don't know about the art club - probably because I wasn't looking ).

Whilst I'm happy that they're improving the existing facilities i.e. swimming pool, rugby club house, gaa club house etc. The still appears to be nowt new, apart from a billion new houses and apartments.

I'm unconvinced that the town will grow and prosper, as it has pretty much been stagnent for the past 10 - 15 years.

That said, its a helluva lot better than Mountmellick/Monesterevin, and even Offaly towns like Edenderry/Dangain.

shortcorner

Hi there I was thinking of moving to Portarlington. I'm from Drogheda. Do you think this might be a mad move. I was looking at a place around the Oaks. I got talking to some local people when I went looking and they seemed really sound.
I didnt get that feeling when looking in Port Laoise. Any suggestions!

Ruby-J

hey shortcorner,
i moved into port last march and i have to say its a lovely place. i dont think its dangerous at all and the amount of young people moving into the town has made it a more youhful place. i work in monasterevin and i love coming home to port. the pubs are nice and comfortable and i feel there is still i lovely community feel. i have had no reason to think its a bad place to be at all.


lads imho, i think its a lovely town and i dont think there's no community spirit at all.

stevoman

well iv lived in portarlington all my life and from experience in being a kid to adult growing up in the town, i think it has turned into a complete dump. anyone who has always lived in the town will tell you that two. But if you looking for a "dublin" town in another county, this is definitly the town.

ChuckProphet

Yes before becoming a "commuter hole" port was considered the utopia of Ireland, looked upon with envy by residents of other midlands towns as the land of milk and honey. Damn you blow-ins for ruining it :mad:

Ruby-J

LMFAO @ chuckprophet!!!

just aswell you dont run the country so cos you probably wouldnt let any foreigners in if you peeved over non locals moving into port!

port

I'm a local and I love living in Portarlington.Yes the population has exploded in recent years but that creates potential of prosperity and opportunity to meet new people.We need strong local representation at council and Government level,and whether it be through local forums,local groups or local representatives we should ensure that the powers that be are constantly reminded that Port needs new services and facilities and infrastructure and retail units and car parks etc etc to cater for increased and growing population.
I have never experienced fear or anxiety in Port. and have always thought of it as a safe place to live and rear my family.Undoubtably at times it pays to be cautious and aware,like in every urban area,but that could be said of many other towns too.

undecided

Port will eventually prosper in retail and amenities. The population has expanded hugely in the last few yrs and will probably continue therefore the infrastucture will be developed to cope with growing population. Lets face it we're not doing too badly for a small town! My only major concern is the lack of garda pesence in the town. I think it's being left wide open and if it doesn't improve could end up being a disaster!

kikel

undecided wrote: »

My only major concern is the lack of garda pesence in the town. I think it's being left wide open and if it doesn't improve could end up being a disaster!

+1. I was shocked learn that the Garda Station isn't manned 24hrs a day.

shortcorner

When I was there on Sunday morning. The Garda car must have circled the town about 5 times in the space of 1 hour. Maybe this is when they work lol

stevoman

well i think its ruined the town. my little brother was walking his dog town town last week when some lad kicked his dog and his buddy who was with him punched my brother when i he tried to stop him. needless to say the lads were not originally from the town. he went to the guards, but as he could'nt identify them there's nothing that could be done. they said as soon he see's those lads again he has to call the guards straight away. the guards blamed certain eliments from dublin who were moving down. the problom is it will be the portlaoise guards he has to call as the station is not manned during the day. it just goes to show you that a young chap reared in a town can't even walk down it now witout being attacked. yeah its a great place alrite.

I have no prblem with expansion etc, but i cant agree with all of this if nobody was wiling to take on board the concerns of the locals. & years ago a report was published about how the towns sewage system was unable to cope with the current infrastructure in the twon. that was 7 years ago. how many estates have been pput up since then???? to make it worse i have just learned that not as the porblom was never addressed the now have had no choice than to give the go ahead to pump raw sewage into the river barrow at the lee end of town. it has also transpired that they have been taking water samples up river from the waste disposal pipes to get away with it, the pollution wasnt picked up. Trust me the place is a joke

sydthebeat

stevoman wrote: »

well i think its ruined the town. my little brother was walking his dog town town last week when some lad kicked his dog and his buddy who was with him punched my brother when i he tried to stop him. needless to say the lads were not originally from the town. he went to the guards, but as he could'nt identify them there's nothing that could be done. they said as soon he see's those lads again he has to call the guards straight away. the guards blamed certain eliments from dublin who were moving down. the problom is it will be the portlaoise guards he has to call as the station is not manned during the day. it just goes to show you that a young chap reared in a town can't even walk down it now witout being attacked. yeah its a great place alrite.

to be fair steve, this kind of thing happens everywhere... its endemic in society.. its not just a port thing or a blow-in thing. I remember when i was younger that if you say certain lads from certain estates you had to cross the road or youd get spat on and insulted.... . Yes, the (lack of) garda presence is a problem which needs to be resolved... but we do actually seem to have a larger number now than we did previously.

stevoman

sydthebeat wrote: »

to be fair steve, this kind of thing happens everywhere... its endemic in society.. its not just a port thing or a blow-in thing. I remember when i was younger that if you say certain lads from certain estates you had to cross the road or youd get spat on and insulted.... . Yes, the (lack of) garda presence is a problem which needs to be resolved... but we do actually seem to have a larger number now than we did previously.

true, but in this day and age i think a police station thats is actually open no longer than from 7.30 to 8.30 each night is ridiculous.

Ruby-J

im in shock to hear that to be honest about ur brother. i walk regularly around port and i have never seen or heard anything like that happen. there are a few youngsters and teens who hang around the town but ive never heard anything bad from them. thats terrible to hear though.

the whole sewage thing is ridiculous. that is something they wil have to look into because the river cant be polluted like that.

stevoman

Ruby-J wrote: »

the whole sewage thing is ridiculous. that is something they wil have to look into because the river cant be polluted like that.

last year the angling club in town took samples from the river as they noticed that there were no longer any trout in the waters. the actually found it to be one of the most polluted rivers in ireland

Roaster

The only way to address this is to let councilors, TDs, etc. know what you want done now and tell them even though 3 years away sounds like a long time it's not, and if there isn't progress made before the next round of elections than you and your cronies can forget about getting my vote.

I did this with Tom Parlon about 6 months before the last elections and whilst he didn't get back in (and I'm not his greatest supporter) we got the outstanding works in our estate finished due to pressure from him onto the developers and council.

By the way just getting back onto the Garda issue. I had to laugh listening to Trevor Sergent on Q&A last night saying that most towns now have a great community spirit and that this is down to local policing. Seriously, what drugs is he on? I'm in the town most weekends and I cannot recollect the last time I saw a Garda walking the beat.

Oh I just to reiterate from my earlier post, I love Port. It's just a pity there's so many locals

undecided

roaster from what I know there is a group set up fighting for these kind of issues in port.

Steveoman I lived in smaller towns than this and that sort of sh*t is everywhere! It's not nice to see happening but it is the way society is people have little or no regard to others!

As for garda that is really going to have to be looked at! Just before xmas the offices of matt dunne and permnament tsb were broken into. I don't know details of what was taken, but remember thinking to myself they knew exactly what they were doing as would have taken gaurds 15 mins to respond to alarm! ALOT can be done in 15 mins!

stevoman

Roaster wrote: »

Oh I just to reiterate from my earlier post, I love Port. It's just a pity there's so many locals

why is that?

livesinport

Hi newbie here. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this plan to build tesco on the flood plains?

stevoman

absolutly ridiculous. thats field has flooded every year since iv been a child. but like evrything else in town, just throw it up and let the townspeople complain about it after

connundrum

livesinport wrote: »

Hi newbie here. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are on this plan to build tesco on the flood plains?

Brilliant. I think its unreal that this is even being considered. Can you imagine the conversation:

Tesco: Where'll we build our new store lads?
Ray Cribbin: Well, I've some prime lands out here in the flood plains..
Tesco: Ah yeah? I can't see any problems with that plan!
Ray Cribbin: lol

livesinport

That's probably exactly the conversation they had

ChuckProphet

when is tesco getting built? i've been hearing this for years

sydthebeat

Supposed to be on a site off the 'new road' just after the weighbridge inn. thats where permission was refused for it previously in 2006. There hasnt been another application AFAIK... so it will definitely be at least a year before we seen a tesco in port.

I personally dont see an issue with tesco building on the flood plain, once its properly engineered to do so. The issue is how much of a precedent it will set for houses to be built, which i dont think will be significant. Tesco will be a standalone use and they will have to develop and retain the site themselves. Its different for houses, where eventually the council have to 'take in charge'.

Dont be fooled, the flooding issue is not something that can be protected against, the damage is already done by the numerous housing developments that have been granted permission over the last 20 years.

anniecm

Honey you are so totally right i left port in 1996 and since then everytime i come home (it will alway be home to me) i see how things have slumped. Ok there are new houses everywhere and new shops etc but it doesnt change the fact that the place has gone downhill. i come home on a regular basis as i live in north wales so its jump on stena and i am home in an hour but things have changed and there is too many non laois and biffos around - i am a biffo. its so sad as when i lived there it was so easy going and a nice place to live. when i go home to me mas now all i see is the usual suspects who time has forgot doing the things they did when i lived at home and high society ie the dublin commuters who live there but dont contribute to the town. its a mini london

port

Port is still a very nice place to live.Yes its busier now and a lot of new people have moved into the town but how is that a bad thing ? I don't feel that the town has gone down hill, rather the opposite would be my opinion and if we could have strong political leadership perhaps then industry could be developed that would in turn create local additional employment.
Local forum groups and all local political parties and any representative body that can further the cause for industrial development in the town should be encouraged and supported.
I believe that there's lots of room for improvement but also that the town is very much on the up and is a work in progress.

connundrum

Is Station Road now a no-go area at night?

My brother was set upon by three young lads about a month ago, and recently a friend was kicked around the place by 5 guys - all at the roundabout at the bottom of Station Road.

A friend who hadn't even heard of the two above incidents warned me not to walk down there on my own after closing time. Now I've a nasty habit of bringing trouble onto myself at the best of times, but whats going on down there?

anniecm

Sorry hon, i didnt mean it as a bad thing what i said. all i meant was that was when i lived there we all knew where we stood. as you so correctly said its politics. I think that Port has so much more to offer but it is been restricted by a higher platform to what it can and cant do. Believe me i live at the foot of Snowdonia and life can be fun but if you live and work here - here is manic everybody rushes around. What i meant was when i lived in Port life was so easy going. i could walk down the street and know everyone but now it is different that is all i meant. i wish sometimes i was still in Port but my life is here now and i get home quite often.

anniecm

Hon i lived in port until 1996 and station road has always been a no go area after darl. There is no stree lighting(although this might have changed by now) . My little brother got the same treatment as your friend after walking his girlfriend home. Basically it is too near the hotel so the best advice which worked for us in the 90's as my friend lived in Seskin - get a taxi to Odlums or the Railway Bar (if it is still there) and proceed with your journey. Its **** i know but it is better to be safe than sorry. Hope this helps xx

anniecm

Where has Terry Leonard gone - he was the best guard around. When I was home I didnt rate him but being older now i can see where he was coming from, I was a leader in the local scouts and he came and gave to the kids a quite frankly scary reason not to to drugs. It worked. I am interested to know where he has gone?

ports best

i live pass the station road for the last 30 years and i have been walking home every night from the pub or club for the last 10 to 15 years and i have never seen trouble there or have never got in trouble there, and when i go out now i still walk home every night and never see any trouble, am i blind or what?????

sydthebeat

ports best wrote: »

i live pass the station road for the last 30 years and i have been walking home every night from the pub or club for the last 10 to 15 years and i have never seen trouble there or have never got in trouble there, and when i go out now i still walk home every night and never see any trouble, am i blind or what?????

blind drunk?????

ports best

good reply syd and that probably is the most obivious answer why i dont see anything

stevoman

anniecm wrote: »

Where has Terry Leonard gone - he was the best guard around. When I was home I didnt rate him but being older now i can see where he was coming from, I was a leader in the local scouts and he came and gave to the kids a quite frankly scary reason not to to drugs. It worked. I am interested to know where he has gone?

Terry lost his sight in one eye so he did and had to retire from the force.

sydthebeat

he still lives out near monasterevan AFAIK.....

never had any run-ins with him thankfully..... he was part of the 'old brigade' along with Malone, Deere and Kiely...... decent lads...

stevoman

sydthebeat wrote: »

he still lives out near monasterevan AFAIK.....

never had any run-ins with him thankfully..... he was part of the 'old brigade' along with Malone, Deere and Kiely...... decent lads...

yeah in hindsight now, they were just doing their jobs