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Will the unthinkable (to them) happen England this weekend?

  • 13-11-2007 01:51AM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭


    Will England be out of Euro 2008 come Saturday evening?

    IMHO I doubt Russia will throw it away. They certainly have the right manager for this situation. Expect the mourning to begin on Sunday;) And if England are out on Saturday what will the atmosphere be like at Wembley the following Wednesday? :eek:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    Benayoun is out for Israel. Half their team gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    i have a funny feeling they have left themselves too much to do at this stage.
    all that is left now is to pick a scapegoat. will it be mclaren or will one of the players step up the plate "waddle-pearce-southgate-style"

    but sure as regards to it being "unthinkable", the media (bbc) in england a few weeks ago were saying how they aren't a european championship team and that history proves this.they are a world cup team....apparently....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,056 ✭✭✭applehunter


    i don't know which is more enjoyable?

    Watching them not qualify or fall on their asses when they get there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,176 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    I feel sorry for McClaren, the last few months he has got England playing as good as they have been in many years but a few horror minutes in Russia added to the mistakes he made early on and it looks like he'll get the sack.

    I won't write off Israel though, they are a pest of a team to beat.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    the media (bbc) in england a few weeks ago were saying how they aren't a european championship team and that history proves this.they are a world cup team....apparently....

    I know how the English media are - irritating, pompous and annoyingly arrogant at the best of times about the England team (ive huge respect for the England team though) but id be more concerned if I were them. The English FA loses big time if they dont qaulify for tournaments especially financially. Also if they fail to qualify for the lowly (according to them) Euro championships surely their seeding will be effected and they could end up in a more difficult qualifying group for the WC. Basically the slippery slope we are in atm.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,404 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    I dont think Russia will throw it away at this stage, especially with Yossi out.

    I'm not so sure how confident i'd be of England beating Croatia anyway.

    Im pretty disappointed really, as (as was said above) they finally broke the trend of just picking the big names from the big 4 and jamming them into the team. Delighted to have seen this progression, to a team with Gareth Barry in center midfield giving such a better balance. I have a feeling if McLaren goes (which he will if they dont qualify) that they'll be back to square one in this respect.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Will the unthinkable (to them) happen to England this weekend?

    God, I hope so.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,139 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    I was shocked at how the english media acted before wembley was englands home. they left themselves loads of work to do to qualify let alone top the group and just assumed they would go on an amazing run of games beating everyone on there way to Euro08 glory. now with Rooney out beating Croatia is going to be hard enough let alone hoping for a favour from Israel. Its not like English strikers are inform atm either, in the top 15 premiership goalscorers there is only one english striker Villa's Gabriel Agbonlahor(not in their squad) infact the next highest english goalscorer in the EPL is Lee Bowyer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,803 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    darkman2 wrote: »
    Will England be out of Euro 2008 come Saturday evening?

    I sure as fúck hope not

    hold very little hope of Russia slipping up though....will be a very long summer for us England fans if we dont qualify. Really don't want these stupid home nation "friendlies" that the FA's are planning to try and get their cash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    a tournament without england is a poor tournament in my opinion - love them or hate them i think they bring an interest to irish people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,228 ✭✭✭Chardee MacDennis


    roll on scotland for the championships, they have a very good chance of beating the italians at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    I don't hate England, or their football team.

    Unthinkable though? Jesus, it's not as if England haven't been absent from tournaments before.

    They appointed the wrong manager, and now that decision is kicking them in the balls.

    Same as Ireland really.

    McLaren needs to show he has the balls to break up the Lamps/Stevie G partnership when both are fit, and leave Barry in the team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    England's squad isn't as good as people think.
    Two world class center forwards, Rooney and Owen. After that, they are a little light. Next best is probably Bent or Defoe who can't get their game. I'd say Ashton would be there too, but he's injured.

    Their defense is solid, their goalkeeper is average.

    Their central midfield should be good, if the manager picked the right pairing. I'd say Hargreaves Gerrard would probably work the best.

    The problem with ENgland is there's no formation to play to their strengths.
    You can't play a 4-3-3 because you need pacy wingers and a big front man. Rooney can just about play the front man, and SWP is fine, but there's nobody else decent.
    You can't play a 4-4-2 because the left winger is Joe Cole, who drops into the center a lot. Then you have the problem of Gerrard and Lampard being **** in a 4-4-2 against decent teams.
    I think a team that could work would be

    Robinson
    --Neville---Ferdinand--Terry----Cole----
    Hargreaves-Carrick

    Lampard
    -Gerrard
    Rooney--
    Heskey

    But it would be boring as **** football, and I still don't think it woudl work. You actually need a world class manager with an understanding of how tactics work far beyond the simple to make a workable formation and style of play.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    PDN wrote: »
    Will the unthinkable (to them) happen to England this weekend?

    God, I hope so.
    Fighting ignorance and bigotry - one post at a time.

    ;)

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    I agree with Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I was wondering how long this thread would take to appear. Ireland have crashed out, so the next course of action is hope England do:rolleyes:

    PHB is spot on, there are some great players in the team, but it's nowhere near a great team, it just doesn't gel at all. McLaren has surprised me, I thought he would be hopeless but he seems to have got them together, apart from the nightmare in Russia. I still think he was the wrong man though.

    Will we qualify? we don't deserve to and I really can't see Russia throwing it away, so no I don't think we will.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    I was wondering how long this thread would take to appear. Ireland have crashed out, so the next course of action is hope England do:rolleyes:
    Now hang on Fred, all us Oirish aren't like that. Just some of the ones who support EPL Teams. Confusing I know. :confused:
    PHB is spot on, there are some great players in the team, but it's nowhere near a great team, it just doesn't gel at all. McLaren has surprised me, I thought he would be hopeless but he seems to have got them together, apart from the nightmare in Russia. I still think he was the wrong man though.
    No he hasn't. The proof of that will be on Saturday when Lamps and Stevie G are in the middle. The man hasn't the balls for international management, imo.

    Will we qualify? we don't deserve to and I really can't see Russia throwing it away, so no I don't think we will.
    Agreed on all points.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Why is it suddenly called Ignorance and Bigotry if you dont want england to win?
    Im sick of this attitude to be honest, i dont want them to go through, not at all That isnt me being ignorant or bigoted, i quite simply just dont like their football team, Its called Rivalry folks, multiply that by the "bigger brother" factor england has over Scotland, Ireland and Wales then of course youll find that most people dont want them to win......id love to listen to their commentators whinging and moaning about the fact that they arent in it come 2008.

    It would be made all the sweeter if Scotland qualify on saturday (i doubt it but you never know)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Why is it suddenly called Ignorance and Bigotry if you dont want england to win?
    Im sick of this attitude to be honest, i dont want them to go through, not at all That isnt me being ignorant or bigoted, i quite simply just dont like their football team, Its called Rivalry folks, multiply that by the "bigger brother" factor england has over Scotland, Ireland and Wales then of course youll find that most people dont want them to win......id love to listen to their commentators whinging and moaning about the fact that they arent in it come 2008.

    It would be made all the sweeter if Scotland qualify on saturday (i doubt it but you never know)

    relax, we would do the same, it just seems unfair having a pop at the Irish team at the moment:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    relax, we would do the same, it just seems unfair having a pop at the Irish team at the moment:D

    It does really doesnt it :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    I reckon they'll still qualify. They're a lucky bunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,589 ✭✭✭✭Necronomicon


    Israel can still beat Russia at home, but being without Benayoun is a big blow. If they managed to take Russia, I think England would be well up for the Wembly showdown with Croatia.

    Actually I can't remember all the purmutations, do Russia have to win or will a draw do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    i don't know which is more enjoyable?

    Watching them not qualify or fall on their asses when they get there?


    I actually think seeing them fall on their asses when they get there is more enjoyable. Just all the hype & eveything in the weeks leading up to it is great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Israel can still beat Russia at home, but being without Benayoun is a big blow. If they managed to take Russia, I think England would be well up for the Wembly showdown with Croatia.

    Actually I can't remember all the purmutations, do Russia have to win or will a draw do?

    Russia are on 21 with 2 games left, England are on 23 with 1 left, so Russia have to win both of their remaining games to be sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 868 ✭✭✭tdv


    Call_me_al wrote: »
    roll on scotland for the championships, they have a very good chance of beating the italians at the moment.

    Yes, loosing 2-0 to Georgia is always great preperation for beating the world champions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    tdv wrote: »
    Yes, loosing 2-0 to Georgia is always great preperation for beating the world champions.

    lol...youve got a point.
    I will say however you will see a completely different team from the one that played georgia, i think we were missing 5 first 11 players from that game.
    I reckon 1-1 Italy to score fairly late on...glorious failure once again...its what the scots do best! :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,643 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    If England and Scotland don't make it then maybe there's a chance the Celtic Cup could take place in 2008 instead. The English weren't too keen originally but if they've nothing else to do next summer...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    If England and Scotland don't make it then maybe there's a chance the Celtic Cup could take place in 2008 instead. The English weren't too keen originally but if they've nothing else to do next summer...

    Then it wouldnt be the celtic cup......

    i lnow were id rather be :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,828 ✭✭✭gosplan


    it already has happened


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,335 ✭✭✭smackbunnybaby


    If England and Scotland don't make it then maybe there's a chance the Celtic Cup could take place in 2008 instead. The English weren't too keen originally but if they've nothing else to do next summer...

    well the English FA have to re-coup at least some of the money they will lose out on by not qualifying...


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