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The word "scum" in the soccer forum

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  • #2
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    well, if it was for the use of the word scum, then im surprised that gimmick wasnt banned for calling someone scum in the post below yours.

    but it may not have been what you were banned for. best to let the mods of the forum come back and explain the reason for the banning.
    im surprised you werent pm'd about it and told why you were banned.

    but then again i rarely visit the soccer forum anymore becuase of the mods.


  • #3
    20 Times 20 Times
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭20 Times 20 Times


    WhiteWashMan wrote: »
    well, if it was for the use of the word scum, then im surprised that gimmick wasnt banned for calling someone scum in the post below yours.

    but it may not have been what you were banned for. best to let the mods of the forum come back and explain the reason for the banning.
    im surprised you werent pm'd about it and told why you were banned.

    but then again i rarely visit the soccer forum anymore becuase of the mods.

    I have to agree with Whitewashman on this as much as it pains me , Is there any communication between the mods on this forum really , there seems to be too many childish comments between the mods with topics EL vs EPL its getting very boring and tedious now at this stage.The soccer forum lately seems to have one rule for the goose and another for the gander.Thats my Two cents.


  • #4
    Dont be at yourself
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,592 ✭✭✭✭Dont be at yourself


    Soccer forum is a joke alright. Needs a complete reboot if you ask me.


  • #5
    Cabaal
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,536 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    NekkidBibleMan wrote: »
    Soccer forum is a joke alright. Needs a complete reboot if you ask me.

    Ban everyone and start again? :)


  • #6
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Just checked back through my PM's, I did get one from T4TF, saying

    You are banned for a week for your comments in the Fans thread.

    Please PM me when it is up if I forget to readmit you.

    I didn't reply until a week later, just to ask to be readmitted.


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  • #7
    r3nu4l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,399 ✭✭✭✭r3nu4l


    Well if the post was edited rather than soft-deleted then it's gone. This is why these days the Admins have asked that mods delete instead of editing.

    As a tip for mods who do edit threads, it's often an idea to report the post first so you still have a copy of exactly what was posted. ;)


  • #8
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I reckon its time for a Mod clear out myself. Not being hostile, rather its that most of them have been in situ for so long I imagine they've got a bit complacent/confused and even bored with the role. A shake up would be good, ditch one per month over the next 5 months.

    Mike.


  • #9
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    I was also on the receiving end of a ban for the use of said word and now I see people using it like it's going out of fashion! The mods would wanna get their finger out and either enforce the rule or get rid of it. Or as Mike65 said, just get rid of them.


  • #10
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Ah! I did'nt say get rid, just "a changing of the guard" :)

    Mike.


  • #11
    Xavi6
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,919 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    mike65 wrote: »
    Ah! I did'nt say get rid, just "a changing of the guard" :)

    Mike.

    Yeah apologies. Just 'relieve them from their post'


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  • #12
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Theres an awful lot of mickey waving going on in some threads too. (My club won such and such etc). Theres some woefully petty childish arguments in some of the threads too, a few to many people are immune to having a reasoned debate on certain issues, I don't like singling threads or indeed people out but the slagging match in KdjacLs "need a new team thread" between himself and T4TF was bizarre to say the least. Two mods of the same forum going hammer and tongs at each other.

    Edit: Thread Link> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055180747


  • #13
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    As a tip for mods who do edit threads, it's often an idea to report the post first so you still have a copy of exactly what was posted. ;)
    Top tip!


  • #14
    Faith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    cson wrote:
    Theres an awful lot of mickey waving going on in some threads too. (My club won such and such etc). Theres some woefully petty childish arguments in some of the threads too, a few to many people are immune to having a reasoned debate on certain issues, I don't like singling threads or indeed people out but the slagging match in KdjacLs "need a new team thread" between himself and T4TF was bizarre to say the least. Two mods of the same forum going hammer and tongs at each other.

    Edit: Thread Link> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2055180747

    Just because two people mod the same forum, doesn't mean they have to have the same opinion on everything. Especially in a forum like soccer where there's such diversity. If I don't like mushrooms and DesF thinks they're the best food ever, it has no impact on our ability to mod the Food and Drink forum.


  • #15
    kaimera
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,396 ✭✭✭✭kaimera


    Faith wrote: »
    Just because two people mod the same forum, doesn't mean they have to have the same opinion on everything. Especially in a forum like soccer where there's such diversity. If I don't like mushrooms and DesF thinks they're the best food ever, it has no impact on our ability to mod the Food and Drink forum.
    Thats fine but having a bitching session shouldn't happen imo.

    Mods keep the peace, not aggravate it.


  • #16
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    kaimera wrote: »
    Thats fine but having a bitching session shouldn't happen imo.

    Mods keep the peace, not aggravate it.

    Why not? I do enjoy debating with T2tf he goes to games and has good valid opinions on football.

    As far as i know mods should participate in the forum they mod, hence being asked to mod it in the 1st place.

    Have the rules changed ?

    Joesoap most people asked for the rules to be relaxed a little as too many where banned for little things, i dont ban when scum is used as a general term for hooligans.

    So ehhh which is it 0 tolerance or tolerance.


    kdjac


  • #17
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Faith wrote: »
    If I don't like mushrooms and DesF thinks they're the best food ever, it has no impact on our ability to mod the Food and Drink forum.

    :eek:

    If I'd have known you were such mushroom hater I never would have accepted the role.

    You Scum.*


    :)




    *I actually do not think Faith is scum.


  • #18
    Time Magazine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,452 ✭✭✭Time Magazine


    Being banned for calling a guy who throws a firework into a gang of people scum is over the top.

    Even with the problems Soccer has had, that's laughably bureaucratic. Stand back and think about it for a second. Restricting someone's access over that is, well, ridiculous.


  • #19
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    The modding of the soccer forum has been haphazard and random for ages. I'm banned for calling a TV presenter a 'tosser' right now, but honestly even if I wasn't I don't think I'd bother.


  • #20
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    Ibid wrote: »
    Being banned for calling a guy who throws a firework into a gang of people scum is over the top.

    +1 tbh


  • #21
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    cson wrote: »
    Theres an awful lot of mickey waving going on in some threads too. (My club won such and such etc). Theres some woefully petty childish arguments in some of the threads too, a few to many people are immune to having a reasoned debate on certain issues, I don't like singling threads or indeed people out but the slagging match in KdjacLs "need a new team thread" between himself and T4TF was bizarre to say the least. Two mods of the same forum going hammer and tongs at each other.

    Edit: Thread Link> http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055180747

    At what point do we break the charter ?

    We are both fans and both adhered to the charter.


    kdjac


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  • #22
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    Why not? I do enjoy debating with T2tf he goes to games and has good valid opinions on football.

    no offense, but it was bitching, not debating :)
    not that i have any problem with that. people can bitch all they want imho.
    KdjaCL wrote: »
    As far as i know mods should participate in the forum they mod, hence being asked to mod it in the 1st place.

    agree 100%.
    KdjaCL wrote: »

    Joesoap most people asked for the rules to be relaxed a little as too many where banned for little things, i dont ban when scum is used as a general term for hooligans.

    So ehhh which is it 0 tolerance or tolerance.


    kdjac

    i dont think the issue has anything to do with tolerance or bans.

    most of the posts here are concerned with the inconsistency of moderating decisions.

    mrjoesoap wrote:
    Just checked back through my PM's, I did get one from T4TF, saying

    You are banned for a week for your comments in the Fans thread.

    Please PM me when it is up if I forget to readmit you.

    I didn't reply until a week later, just to ask to be readmitted.

    ive only just realised that you werent banned this week. i thought you had been banned last year, and had just been banned again.
    im confused.

    are you currently banned?
    and why would you bring this up after a year?
    KdjaCL wrote: »
    At what point do we break the charter ?

    We are both fans and both adhered to the charter.

    the actual answer is 'so what?'
    i wouldnt worry too much about it when you havent done anything wrong.


  • #23
    cson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,497 ✭✭✭✭cson


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    At what point do we break the charter ?

    We are both fans and both adhered to the charter.


    kdjac

    Fair enough, I've just never seen mods of the same forum have it out like that before.


  • #24
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    WhiteWashMan wrote: »
    ive only just realised that you werent banned this week. i thought you had been banned last year, and had just been banned again.
    im confused.

    are you currently banned?
    and why would you bring this up after a year?

    The only reason I brought it up was because I noticed the word was used twice in the one thread yesterday. And I'd seen it used plenty recently in other threads, just wanted an explanation and some clarification as to the current situation. It just seems as if the goalposts have shifted a bit, if you'll excuse the pun.

    Oh, that and I'm still bitter. :)

    And I'm not currently banned.


  • #25
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Question, would you rather see someone like me or the existing mods moderate the soccer forum?

    By me I mean someone with absolutely no interest in the sport who would enforce the charter rules completely blindly? I'm not looks for the job btw but lets face it lads you can't have your cake and eat it.


  • #26
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    The only reason I brought it up was because I noticed the word was used twice in the one thread yesterday. And I'd seen it used plenty recently in other threads, just wanted an explanation and some clarification as to the current situation. It just seems as if the goalposts have shifted a bit, if you'll excuse the pun.

    Oh, that and I'm still bitter. :)

    And I'm not currently banned.

    Did you report those posts?


  • #27
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    I stated in the original post in this thread that I didn't report any of these posts as I didn't find them offensive.


  • #28
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    You cant have it both ways, everyone in soccer asked for more tolerance which was given in certain instances where just being a fan/person who watches football on tv(lol) was seriously pissed off at something in a game and posted something which broke the charter in a moment of passion.

    Its either one or the other the mods tried to accomdate "common sense" into the forum and are now getting slated for it.

    Tbh soccer is a lose lose forum, no matter what you do as a mod your wrong.


    Notice how most of the longterm mods on boards.ie wouldnt touch with a bargepole but snipe at every oppurtunity (mike65, WWM etc: )

    Pretty much shows the **** you have to deal with that they wouldnt touch it but can voice opinons on how it should be done. I will resign as mod if either of those 2 take up the role.




    kdjac


  • #29
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    kdjac: What ever about wwm no one pays attention to Mike.
    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    I stated in the original post in this thread that I didn't report any of these posts as I didn't find them offensive.

    Then you really can't complain unless you know for a fact that a mod and in particular the mod that banned you, read those comments. If I modded that forum I wouldn't read any of the prattle posted on it, and only respond to reported posts. You also didn't answer the question


  • #30
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Boston wrote: »


    , and only respond to reported posts. You also didn't answer the question

    Reported posts are biased in the soccer forum one fan will report another teams fan easily but wouldnt report his own teams fan, so they can only be taken as a reference, sucks but thats the way it is.

    And then you add in mods with the ability to view the reported post forum will report people of another team just to get them banned and even post on the reported post to ensure it.


    Its a pain in the hole and far more **** than the users know.



    kdjac


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  • #31
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Boston wrote: »
    Then you really can't complain unless you know for a fact that a mod and in particular the mod that banned you, read those comments.

    I'm not complaining, I'm asking for clarification. If I wanted to complain I would have done it a year ago.
    If I modded that forum I wouldn't read any of the prattle posted on it, and only respond to reported posts. You also didn't answer the question

    What question did I not answer?


  • #32
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    Reported posts are biased in the soccer forum one fan will report another teams fan easily but wouldnt report his own teams fan, so they can only be taken as a reference, sucks but thats the way it is.

    And then you add in mods with the ability to view the reported post forum will report people of another team just to get them banned and even post on the reported post to ensure it.


    Its a pain in the hole and far more **** than the users know.



    kdjac

    An now hang on a second, why would any of that matter? If a reported post has merit then it shouldn't matter how legitimate the reasons behind it.


    MrJoeSoap: would you prefer a mod who didn't care in the slightest for the game but rather blindly enforced the rules.


  • #33
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Boston wrote: »
    An now hang on a second, why would any of that matter? If a reported post has merit then it shouldn't matter how legitimate the reasons behind it.


    MrJoeSoap: would you prefer a mod who didn't care in the slightest for the game but rather blindly enforced the rules.

    I'd prefer some sort of a mix to be honest, a moderator who understands the game and knows what is going on, somebody who will be on the forum regularly and know the posters and their habits and personalities.

    At the same time, the rules are there to be enforced and if some people are being punished for breaking them and others aren't then there is always going to be seen to be something wrong.

    I don't have a problem with any of the current moderators and this thread isn't about them at all really, it's more about the actual charter itself and how it has been and will be enforced.


  • #34
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    I'd prefer some sort of a mix to be honest, a moderator who understands the game and knows what is going on, somebody who will be on the forum regularly and know the posters and their habits and personalities.

    At the same time, the rules are there to be enforced and if some people are being punished for breaking them and others aren't then there is always going to be seen to be something wrong.

    I don't have a problem with any of the current moderators and this thread isn't about them at all really, it's more about the actual charter itself and how it has been and will be enforced.

    Which is what you got and why you didnt get banned and the list you posted all didnt get banned as common sense was used, 2 i missed and possibly should have been banned, others common sense prevailed.

    Seriously if anyone that complains about the mods of the forum wants a crack at it i will glady swap forums with them.


    kdjac


  • #35
    MrJoeSoap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    Which is what you got and why you didnt get banned and the list you posted all didnt get banned as common sense was used, 2 i missed and possibly should have been banned, others common sense prevailed.

    Seriously if anyone that complains about the mods of the forum wants a crack at it i will glady swap forums with them.


    kdjac

    But I did get banned...


  • #36
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    As a tip for mods who do edit threads, it's often an idea to report the post first so you still have a copy of exactly what was posted. ;)
    Karoma does that quite a bit.
    I keep meaning to do it myself, but always forget.
    cson wrote: »
    Fair enough, I've just never seen mods of the same forum have it out like that before.
    The rest of us do it on the mod forum. :)


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  • #37
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    MrJoeSoap wrote: »
    But I did get banned...

    then!

    then you and everyone else complained about nazi like modding!

    wanna swap?


    kdjac


  • #38
    20 Times 20 Times
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭20 Times 20 Times


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    Which is what you got and why you didnt get banned and the list you posted all didnt get banned as common sense was used, 2 i missed and possibly should have been banned, others common sense prevailed.

    Seriously if anyone that complains about the mods of the forum wants a crack at it i will glady swap forums with them.


    kdjac


    Kdjac ,

    I really don’t think that anyone is doubting the hard work that the soccer mods do on the board it is in-fact a thankless job I personally think the thread is more about the inconsistency in the forum regarding the Charter rules as i said it seems to be one rule for the goose the other with the gander in certain cases but you can also see sometimes the forum been ruled over like a iron fist , Without a shadow of a doubt soccer creates more feedback that any other forum , There is no need to be so defensive. Personal I think you guys do a great job but also need some help , like for instance why is talla even a soccer moderator he hasn’t posted there in months and I fully understand that he has a life outside of boards , my point been that add another moderator in that position to help out on the forum.


  • #39
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    You cant have it both ways, everyone in soccer asked for more tolerance which was given in certain instances where just being a fan/person who watches football on tv(lol) was seriously pissed off at something in a game and posted something which broke the charter in a moment of passion.

    Considering how worked up soccer fans get, there's an attraction with giving casual fans/non-fans the job.


  • #40
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    KdjaCL wrote: »

    Notice how most of the longterm mods on boards.ie wouldnt touch with a bargepole but snipe at every oppurtunity (mike65, WWM etc: )

    Rofflecopter.

    you think im sniping at you?

    i see no where where i sniped at you. i suggested waqiting for the mod to come and tell the OP what the issue was, and then when i figured out he was complaining about something that happened a year ago, i asked him what his problem was.

    the only thing i said to you was that people were complaining about the inconsistancy on the forum, something which you seemed to have either ignored in your earlier post, or just didnt see.

    you went on about tolerence, or lack of, but that isnt an issue.

    i also told you to ignore anyone who has a go at you just becuase you have a'debate' with a fellow mod.

    you are ever so defensive. you take everything in a very negative way. even the suggestion earlier in the year of a second forum for football had you hopping onto the thread, having a bash at every poster there as troublemakers, and saying it was a stupid idea.

    if you want, i will happily take over your role as a mod there. contrary to what psi thinks, ive never been offered the position of a soccer mod, except by gandalf, and hes not really in a position to offer mod ships about, only make suggestions. and that was a long time ago.

    but hey, you feel like stepping down, sure, i will take it on. after all, if i can sort out the AH forum, the soccer forum should be a piece of piss, right?


  • #41
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    nesf wrote: »
    Considering how worked up soccer fans get, there's an attraction with giving casual fans/non-fans the job.

    lol you mod after hours, get....the.....fcuk .....away :D

    Sarge its one or the other there is no in between unless you want to pay us, cos that sounds like job stuff.



    kdjac


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  • #42
    nesf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,644 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    lol you mod after hours, get....the.....fcuk .....away :D

    :p


  • #43
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    WWM for mod extra mod dutties. If only for the feedback threads...


  • #44
    20 Times 20 Times
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭20 Times 20 Times


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    lol you mod after hours, get....the.....fcuk .....away :D

    Sarge its one or the other there is no in between unless you want to pay us, cos that sounds like job stuff.



    kdjac


    But back to my original suggestion about adding another mod in place of the inactive Talla , currently there is a clear out happening why was he not suggested by one of the soccer mods to be replaced ?


  • #45
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    WhiteWashMan wrote: »

    but hey, you feel like stepping down, sure, i will take it on. after all, if i can sort out the AH forum, the soccer forum should be a piece of piss, right?

    ok i should have pointed out this swap would not have anything with after hours related to it, suppose i could mod writing a book if jk rowlings can do it...
    you are ever so defensive. you take everything in a very negative way. even the suggestion earlier in the year of a second forum for football had you hopping onto the thread, having a bash at every poster there as troublemakers, and saying it was a stupid idea.


    Hindsight is a beautiful thing, if i had of agreed almost all of the gob****es would be gone. dammit WWM you got me there :(


    kdjac


  • #46
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Boston wrote: »
    WWM for mod extra mod dutties. If only for the feedback threads...

    +1

    but hes not allowed post about spurs.


    kdjac


  • #47
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    Sarge wrote: »
    But back to my original suggestion about adding another mod in place of the inactive Talla , currently there is a clear out happening why was he not suggested by one of the soccer mods to be replaced ?

    good point, you do it :D



    kdjac


  • #48
    20 Times 20 Times
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,220 ✭✭✭20 Times 20 Times


    KdjaCL wrote: »
    good point, you do it :D



    kdjac


    I will then. AMp test blah blah


  • #49
    copacetic
    Subscribers Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭copacetic


    WhiteWashMan wrote: »
    but hey, you feel like stepping down, sure, i will take it on. after all, if i can sort out the AH forum, the soccer forum should be a piece of piss, right?

    nice one, the bluff is called. [gets popcorn]


  • #50
    KdjaCL
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,346 ✭✭✭✭KdjaCL


    copacetic wrote: »
    nice one, the bluff is called. [gets popcorn]

    Why havent you offered?


    kdjac


  • #51
    Silverfish
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    I'll do it.

    I know nothing of football, only rules.


    And I can explain the offside rule so women can understand it.


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