Campness

butchy2007

This is something that really really bugs me.

Now, I do not mind gay people whatsoever, in fact, I have a gay friend. He is just a regular guy, acts normal, has a laugh and enjoys life.

What I cannot stand is gay people, specifically blokes, who act like complete fairies. WTF is wrong with them? They are men, but they put on this pathetic little act flaunting their sexuality to all the world like attention seeking little brats. Why do they speak in that tone, why do they walk like that, why do they wave their hands around like that and why do they bitch more than girls.

As I said, I don't mind the fact that their gay, each to their own and all that. But why are they so fake?

Thoughts please!

BuffyBot

As opposed to the gay men that "act straight"?

How you can say "each to their own and all that" with a straight face after that post, I do wonder.

Of course it can be annoying. People who smell musty can be annoying. People who like Unix can be annoying. People who insist on jamming a buggy onto an overcrowded bus can be annoying. How annoying is up to how much notice you take of it, and how much you let it annoy you.

butchy2007

yes, there are many annoying things in this world, which is why boards like this exist, so people can get other people's opinions. I just dont like fake people, thats all.

azezil

It can appear to be over the top, I'm sure for some its an act, but for others its not. Some of my friends are very camp, some are not, I accept them all the way they are.

Marshy

I do share you dislike for false people but its a fact of life that people are affected in the way they conduct themselves. Everyone is influenced by their society, some just show this more than others.

And its not like this pretence is confined to guys who are camp. In fact you could say many guys put on the whole macho appearance too to gain acceptance from their peers.

L1011

For the majority of very camp gay men, its not an act; its the way they are. Those that are faking it usually manage to drop the facade very obviously at times.

Nevyn

And then there are hetrosexual guys that are camp.

Camp/Butch behaviour is one of the things that many people have more of an issue with then the actual homosexuality of people as it goes against gender sterotypes.

Funny that a butch or less then feminise women are considered to be lesser in the same way camp men are.

L1011

Thaedydal wrote: »

And then there are homosexual guys that are camp.

Did you by any chance mean "Heterosexual" there, cause we certainly know that there are homosexual guys that are camp

Nevyn

I did thanks MYOB.

Boston

Now, I do not mind kerry people whatsoever, in fact, I have a friend from kerry. He is just a regular guy, acts normal, has a laugh and enjoys life.

What I cannot stand is kerry people, specifically blokes, who act like complete ****ing culchies. WTF is wrong with them? They are men, but they put on this pathetic little act flaunting their non-dublin ways to all the world like attention seeking little brats. Why do they speak in that stupid accent, why do they walk like that, why do they drive there tractors around like that and why do they smell worse than girls.

As I said, I don't mind the fact that their culchie, each to their own and all that. But why are they so fake?

Thoughts please!

Anyways, its just how people are. I'm not particularly attracted to the camp gay male and I know more then one who simply do my head in, but I wouldn't call it fake nor would I call it effeminate.

stolenwine

I see some of my friends everyday I notice that I have started using certain phrases that they use. If you are chatting to someone you are attracted to you might subconsciously mimic certain idiosyncratic behaviour displayed by that person. You don't have to be a child to mimic the behaviour of people around you, my point is this does not necessarily make you "fake". Also not all "camp" men are bitchy some are actually good to know and gentle souls.

swiss

People tell me I can get quite camp when I'm drunk.

When I'm sober, I have been described as 'straight acting'.

I have to ask, which is fake? One of the above, both, or neither? Maybe I'll find the answer in a box of Rice Krispies.

anotherlostie

Campness is not just a gay male phenomenon. You should watch Strictly Come Dancing on BBC1 to see some very camp married men whizzing around the dance floor.

When I came out first I strongly objected to campness; it doesn't bother me now, and I think that because it is often so in your face, it makes a lot of gay guys who aren't comfortable with being gay feel uneasy.

azezil

swiss wrote: »

People tell me I can get quite camp when I'm drunk.

When I'm sober, I have been described as 'straight acting'.

I have to ask, which is fake? One of the above, both, or neither? Maybe I'll find the answer in a box of Rice Krispies.

hahaha, oh please, you're always camp sweetie!
You silly goose!

InOffice

I really like camp & effeminate guys. Then again I also turn myself on when I look in the mirror.

What really bugs me is why my str8 friends ask me why I go out with women when all I seem to date are as close as.

arybvtcw0eolkf

butchy2007 wrote: »

This is something that really really bugs me.

Now, I do not mind gay people whatsoever, in fact, I have a gay friend. He is just a regular guy, acts normal, has a laugh and enjoys life.

What I cannot stand is gay people, specifically blokes, who act like complete fairies. WTF is wrong with them? They are men, but they put on this pathetic little act flaunting their sexuality to all the world like attention seeking little brats. Why do they speak in that tone, why do they walk like that, why do they wave their hands around like that and why do they bitch more than girls.

As I said, I don't mind the fact that their gay, each to their own and all that. But why are they so fake?

Thoughts please!

It annoys' the hell out of me too.

I've had a few friends 'come out' over the year's. And to a man all acted all fairy like within days.

As they're friends and socialise with us I also visit gay bars with them. I'm comfortable enough around homosexuals and realise that not all put on the act.

Beats the hell outta me!.

ixoy

Mairt wrote: »

As they're friends and socialise with us I also visit gay bars with them. I'm comfortable enough around homosexuals and realise that not all put on the act.

What makes you think that they're putting on an act now rather than an act before when they could have been repressing themselves and how they felt?

I'm with anotherlostie on the matter, in that I used to object to it and how it could make you feel uncomfortable if, thinking you were gay, you saw most gay people on TV,etc as camp and surely it must be faked, etc. It's not for the majority, as I've eventualy learnt - there's a nice wide spectrum, just as there is straight guys.

Mairt then - does it annoy you thinking that many straight men put on a butch exterior and "hard man" stance when they could not want to?

L1011

Mairt wrote: »

I've had a few friends 'come out' over the year's. And to a man all acted all fairy like within days.

Have you considered that not-camp was, in fact, the "acting"?

Boston

Mairt is a war hero from ballymun. Just to put prospective on things.

Sangre

The only type of camp that Mairt has time for is one 2 miles behind enemy lines.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Lads, don't get your knickers in a twist.

I'm only speaking from experience with friends who have 'come out'.

And no, I don't think 'acting' straight was put on before coming out. I think coming out brought them into the whole gay scene and they acted accordingly.

I also base this on a discussion with one gay friend recently. He in fact never thought most of us knew he was gay, but he was genuinely feminine with no act put on. He's always been like this, and agreed with my observations that most of the other lads where putting on a 'gay act' which he found slightly offensive.

Guys, don't get offensive about this. Most straight guys (myself included) these days have absolutely no problems with having gay friends, but we just don't buy into the whole 'camp' thing.

Boston

Mairt wrote: »

Lads, don't get your knickers in a twist.

Oh shut up, I guarantee I'm more of a hard bastard then you.

I'm only speaking from experience with friends who have 'come out'.

And no, I don't think 'acting' straight was put on before coming out. I think coming out brought them into the whole gay scene and they acted accordingly.

Sex in the toilets and cocaine like

I also base this on a discussion with one gay friend recently. He in fact never thought most of us knew he was gay, but he was genuinely feminine with no act put on. He's always been like this, and agreed with my observations that most of the other lads where putting on a 'gay act' which he found slightly offensive.

You're infringing on my justification for exisiting and I feel offened, yawn.

Guys, don't get offensive about this. Most straight guys (myself included) these days have absolutely no problems with having gay friends, but we just don't buy into the whole 'camp' thing.

I don't like men with bears, what are they hiding fokes? I've known too many camp mofos for you to turn around and say "I don't believe in you".

Boston :

stovelid

Thaedydal wrote: »

And then there are hetrosexual guys that are camp.

I agree. I hung around with a (straight) lad in school who was completely camp, not affected.

Blokes acting camp (if they are acting) is no more irritating than the herds of traditional macho men.

L1011

Mairt wrote: »

And no, I don't think 'acting' straight was put on before coming out. I think coming out brought them into the whole gay scene and they acted accordingly.

And going out in to the scene is going to make you camp, then? Right...

arybvtcw0eolkf

MYOB wrote: »

And going out in to the scene is going to make you camp, then? Right...

If you mean by me personally, then the answer is no. I'm straight.

But if you mean with gays generally, well I'd have to say that in my experience its caused my gay friends to act camp.

Boston

Mairt wrote: »

If you mean by me personally, then the answer is no. I'm straight.

And if you're straight you can't be camp, I get you now, it all seems so obvious.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Boston wrote: »

And if you're straight you can't be camp, I get you now, it all seems so obvious.

Don't be taking things out of context :rolleyes:

Boston

Its perfectly in context. You believe the gay scene, which you admit you frequent, turns gay men camp, yet somehow being straight makes you immune to its obvious effects.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Boston wrote: »

Its perfectly in context. You believe the gay scene, which you admit you frequent, turns gay men camp, yet somehow being straight makes you immune to its obvious effects.

Oh, your a little clearer now.

Yes, the gay scene won't make a straight man camp. But it will allow a gay man to act camp around the other actors

Right, I'm outta this thread. Its almost 4pm and my nails need doing, not to mention my hair and brows haven't been touched yet.

Boston

Mairt wrote: »

Oh, your a little clearer now.

Yes, the gay scene won't make a straight man camp. But it will allow a gay man to act camp around the other actors

Only if thats his natural inclination to begin with.

markw999

Camp is camp is camp.

There are plenty of people who are gay who may appear to "act" more gay when they come out but that's more than likely because they felt they had to tone it down to fit in.

I have never seen anyone, ever, become more or less camp just because they have gone on the scene. And, I know I've said this in another thread but seriously THE SCENE IS NOT THE BE ALL AND END ALL.

I am gay but not camp. I can turn it on if I want, "act" if you will but I just don't. I know plenty of people who are camp but they aren't turning it on just to fit in.

Example: is it harder to fit in if you are a gay man who :

a) appears or acts "straight"

or

b) is camp.

People who are camp get a much harder time of it - to use a transgender phrase they can't "pass" as well as their "straighter" brothers - therefore why would they put it on?

There's a really good american book on the subject called Sissyphobia which talks about how a section of straight AND gay men don't like "camp" and "queeny" guys.

Personally I'm of the opinion that people are who they are.

Attractiveness-wise, I don't find effiminate men attractive, it just doesn't do it for me, but there's plenty of men who do.

windsurfer99ie

Agreed. I'm straight(ish) - but it's the camp men that do it for me.

shay_562

Man, I can't believe no one's brought up the "Should it be called 'straight-acting'? Is it 'acting'? Why must you judge me?!" debate yet... [/can of worms]

Topic: Meh. I do know guys who play it up because they're not quite comfortable with it and think that campness is necessary for people to accept them as "a gay", but there are just as many (if not more) who are naturally like that. That said, I do ****ing detest people who use campness, or the affectation thereof, as an excuse to be downright rude and twat-like (for evidence of such see: The George, on any given night)

pugwall

Some people think I am obviously gay and others think I act totally straight. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
What’s especially stupid is that in this post-liberation, post metrosexual, post-everything age, there’s no such thing as “acting straight” or “acting gay.” Gaydar totally doesn’t work anymore. The whole concept is so 1993.

Riveta

Camp? Hmm. Doesnt' bug me in slightest. As long as someone is being themselves. What DOES bug me though is these butch fellas who look down on us camp fellas! They seem to think they're somehow better because they can act like "real men". It absoutly and completly wrecks my head. I mean it's homophobia in itself. It's such bull****e!