The Heat Is On Pokertracker 3 Vs Holdem Manager

dvdfan

Should Have Read Pokertracker 3 Vs Holdem Manager

Seemingly PAHUD developers are involved in the new Poker tracker which will be released before the new year with the HUD built in as part of PT3 but will also have 3/4betting stats. This will put the pressure on Holdem Manager to release a working version before that as not many people will fork out for both of them i would think. Holdem have been promising a HUD beta since July:eek: But i guess hell have to up the pace now

Heres linkys:
http://preview.pokertracker3.com/
http://www.holdemmanager.net/

luckylucky

Can you not edit the title?
Normally you can do in the advanced editing

Ste05

I'll fix the title...

Zab

Yes, this one has been brewing for a while. Personally I think PT3 will win in the end, mostly due to already having the customer base. They really needed a kick in the ass though, there are many gaps in PT2 that have long needed filling, so it's a good thing HM came along when it did (or re-emerged).

I'm not wild about PT2, but it does a reasonable job and is the primary poker software that I use. Same goes for PAHUD, it has some very annoying issues.

I've been playing with HM for a while, but it's way too early to see which way it'll go. Obviously the 3/4bet stats are nice, but the rest of it is currently too underdeveloped for me to really comment on.

I'd have no problem changing to HM if it turns out to be better, but I think that the competition it brings is the best thing about it.

Rb

I tried out Holdem Manager recently for a short while and wasn't really impressed (though I'm sure I wasn't using it to it's full ability), will download the demo for PT3 when it's around and will more than likely go with it.

Wonder how the games will change when this goes widespread.

dvdfan

rb_ie wrote: »

I tried out Holdem Manager recently for a short while and wasn't really impressed (though I'm sure I wasn't using it to it's full ability), will download the demo for PT3 when it's around and will more than likely go with it.

Wonder how the games will change when this goes widespread.

3betting and 4betting will be some crack then, you should be able to get a much better idea of someones range (and in Holdem Manager you should be able to see 3betting stats by position aswell) and so some people will lose a bit of their edge possibly on people who had trouble putting them on a range and i would expect 4betting to increase.

I think Holdem will be a much superior tool if it lives up to what the creator says it will and also he seems to think that it can be easily patched after updates etc which is a big problem with PAHUD now, i havent been able to use stats on turbo tables for weeks now and i dont see any update coming soon for something that appears to be so simple. But as someone said it will no doubt be a good thing for us as the competition will force quicker patch turnarounds/better software/better support

Mr. Flibble

Has anyone got to test PT3 yet. Any comments on it?

Mellor

Schedule
The following is the tentative schedule for PokerTracker 3 - Hold'em:

Alpha testing will begin by November 30th.
Beta testing will take place two to three weeks after alpha testing begins.
The final release of PokerTracker will go on sale at the beginning of 2008.

So Beta testing is about to start,

jayhawk

Both development teams are talented, earnest, reliable and service-oriented.

Both products will be fairly and competitively priced.

Each product will be better because of the other. Creative theft is already underway.

PT3's release will not meet its announced schedule. Testing is going slower than anticipated.

Holdem Manager's HUD will be rushed to release due to competitive pressure. The product is dead on arrival without it.

Holdem Manager will probably, ultimately, be the superior product. It will probably require a great deal more computing power than PT3.

PT3 will be, ultimately, the market share winner. It has a massive head start with its present customer base, who will receive PT3 at a discount and who will be able to transfer substantial portions of their old Poker Tracker databases to the new edition.

I can't imagine that either will be sufficiently debugged until late March, although buyers may be put to the decision earlier via competitive pricing strategies -- Holdem Manager has to either buy substantial market share now or gamble that the early PT3 is hopelessly buggy.

There is a lot of noise about a potentially game-altering, forthcoming 3-bet HUD stat, a notion that is far beyond me...

Vamos

jayhawk wrote: »

There is a lot of noise about a potentially game-altering, forthcoming 3-bet HUD stat, a notion that is far beyond me...

There's free software that implements that and is available a while. It works pretty well but sometimes slows up.
Have a look at http://forums.twoplustwo.com/showthread.php?t=1532 to check it out.

Mellor

Wonder how much it will cost for existing customers,
im not going to fork out alot just for a 3 bet stat and a buggy program

Mr. Flibble

Mellor wrote: »

Wonder how much it will cost for existing customers,
im not going to fork out alot just for a 3 bet stat and a buggy program

They say its going to be based on how long ago you purchased PT2 but don't go into any more detail. I'll probably be able to offer it for free or at least with a significant discount if people can sign up to Titan poker. See sig.

Real question is, when will PT4 be out when 4 betting is the the l33t move.

cooker3

Hud beta has just been released for holdem manager. Download latest patch 0.7 from site. Just going to look at it now

cooker3

Ok, just tested it. Only messed around with it for few minutes and still configuring stuff but I am impressed. It has a sh*tload of stats.
You get vpip, cold calling, limping, raising, raising first in, 3bet and folding to 3 bet stat for each seat.
Also when you hover mouse over say aggressi9n factor stat, a popup gices info for so aggression factor by street etc
And it gives 2 stats I've been dieing for, donk bet% and folding to donk bet%, that alone makes it fantastic.

RoadSweeper

screen shots?

Mellor

cooker3, donk bet?

cooker3

Lol. I thought donk bet was the common term for it. I am clearly indoctrined in the ways of 2+2.
Anyway it's when you bet out after calling on previous street
So someone raises pf, you call and bet out first on the flop, thats a donk bet.

I played with the hud some more, somethings I don't like is the stats all come in a box and when you include them all the box is very big and it comes awkward to fit them all on screen without blocking everything. Unlike on pahud where you can fit any stat you want with layout manager. It also crashed few times but it was easy to restart. But it is still in beta mode so stuff like that is expected I suppose. The guy who is making it said he will make it more flexible in next build in few days.
You can also have and external window which gives even more stats. You can check hands they have 3b/4b, last 20 big pots, loads of stuff like that.

I will mess around with it later and see can I post some screenshots.

dvdfan

Im currently importing my HH, there must be alot, its going to take 2 days, 2 hours & 48 mins according to current levels of 21 hands per minute, probably a way of speeding that up but i wont be playing much so ill let them download and give it a test, sounds class though although obviously the HUD needs to be moveable like PAHUD otherwise that would be a big pain.

Mellor

cooker3 wrote: »

Lol. I thought donk bet was the common term for it. I am clearly indoctrined in the ways of 2+2.
Anyway it's when you bet out after calling on previous street
So someone raises pf, you call and bet out first on the flop, thats a donk bet.

Sorry, last post was pretty vauge.
I know what a donk bet. but what way does PM calculate it? Is it total, or per street. Is it only raises etc, Say a players calls an EP raise pf, the OR checks the flop, will it be counted as a donk bet if the player bets, what about for unraised pots preflop, do they interfere with it

phantom_lord

cooker3

dvdfan wrote: »

Im currently importing my HH, there must be alot, its going to take 2 days, 2 hours & 48 mins according to current levels of 21 hands per minute, probably a way of speeding that up but i wont be playing much so ill let them download and give it a test, sounds class though although obviously the HUD needs to be moveable like PAHUD otherwise that would be a big pain.

are running anything else which is hogging resources, It should import more hands then that. I tend to get 40-60 hands per second

Mellor wrote: »

Sorry, last post was pretty vauge.
I know what a donk bet. but what way does PM calculate it? Is it total, or per street. Is it only raises etc, Say a players calls an EP raise pf, the OR checks the flop, will it be counted as a donk bet if the player bets, what about for unraised pots preflop, do they interfere with it

I am really not sure. I might take a look in 2_2 thread and see does he mention something. I would assume it only counts when you call previous street and bet out when first to ask, what happens when pfr checks I really couldn't tell you. I didn't test it that extensively