360 or ps3 for xmas pressie?

Dcully

Hi all just posting seeking advice for a family friend looking to buy either a 360 or ps3 for her boyfriends xmas present.

Ive not been keeping up with consoles at all but i think im correct in saying the 360 has more games.
Without trying to create a console war which would she go for?

I would of posted this in console forums but they are dedicated to one or the other console so i thought i might get a non fanboy view here

Sephiroth_dude

Well I have a ps3 and im happy with but id say go with the xbox 360,there way more games out for it!Although I read somewhere there were issues with the cpu overheating and causing it to break.....so tell your friend to consider that before she buys either

Dinxminx

I have the ps3 and definitely advise getting it - its only new so more and more games are coming out for it, it's cheaper in the long run, has amazing memory, and that Home thing is coming out soon which is going to be amazing!!

koneko

Meh, if you like Second Life maybe Home will be amazing, and sure it has a lot of harddrive space but I don't think that matters.

Plenty of other threads about this that cover most of it, but right now I'd recommend the 360 over the PS3. What kind of games does your friend's boyfriend like? That's really what matters.

Helix

i have both, and i wouldnt even attempt to recommend the ps3 over the 360

xbox all the way

jasonbourme.cs

would have to agree with Helix on that one , also have both and the 360 wins handsdown

Zen 2nd

I would advise getting the 360.

The online gaming is better on that compared to the PS3.

kensutz

Oh no not another next gen battle but have both and 360 wins!

RE*AC*TOR

I also have both. If I had to choose only one it would be the 360 hands down.

FutureGuy

I have both consoles.

360 wins hands down.

projectmayhem

tbh i'd say the ps3. not because of the games, or my fanboy nature... but because i forsee a pricedrop in the 360 next year, so if he so wishes to have his halo etc. fix he'll be grand to pick it up himself, whereas even with a pricedrop the ps3 will still be expensive.

tman

I still haven't bought a PS3, and it's not due to lack of money, but due to the desperate lack of games.
360 hands down imo, it's got a fantastic back catalogue of games available and seems to be giving the PS3 a run for its money in the performance stakes.

Sephiroth_dude

ya the xbox 360 is great until it decides to overheat :rolleyes:

bandit197

You are getting more value for money with a playstation 3. The game list is smaller than the 360 but is growing rapidly. There are some really big titles due for release at xmas and early next year. I believe that this time next year the Ps3 will be the leading console, (Just my opinion). The online gaming is FREE! The ps3 is a home media server. This means you can stream your music, photos or video to it over your home wireless network. There are no issues with over-heating or crashing. Three of my friends have traded their 360's in the last month for the PS3 because they believe the PS3 is superior and these friends were die hard 360 fans. Out of the box you have blu-ray disc player for watching high definition movies and the PS3 is excellent for watchin videos from utube or any web page on your telly via its built in internet browser.

Did I forget built in WIFI and Bluetooth

super_furry

I have both and at the moment the PS3 is just a dust magnet, while the 360 is eating up all my gaming time. It's not even a hard choice right now, the 360 is a much, much better choice.

dazftw

id say xbox ive played games on the ps3 and they dont compare one being EA skate which was horrible.. Joypads are nicer on the 360 also!

tman

tman wrote: »

I still haven't bought a PS3, and it's not due to lack of money, but due to the desperate lack of games.
360 hands down imo, it's got a fantastic back catalogue of games available and seems to be giving the PS3 a run for its money in the performance stakes.

I just blew €500 on a PS3 this afternoon and my god was it a waste of money. My now unbiased opinion says forget all about buying a PS3, get a 360 instead!:p

Ps3.

Helix

out of curiousity, how many people saying ps3 have both the ps3 and the xbox 360?

I only have the PS3. I don't want or need an xbox.

Helix

Deleted User wrote: »

I only have the PS3. I don't want or need an xbox.

so basically, youre just defending the machine that you own, instead of actually giving a balanced opinion like the people who own both are?

do you not think its a bit odd that everyone who has both is recommending the 360 over the ps3 by an absolute mile? no?

Helix

Helix wrote: »

so basically, youre just defending the machine that you own, instead of actually giving a balanced opinion like the people who own both are?

do you not think its a bit odd that everyone who has both is recommending the 360 over the ps3 by an absolute mile? no?

OP asked for a recommendation. I gave one.

Helix

but again its a very one sided recommendation isnt it, thats all im saying

Helix

Helix wrote: »

but again its a very one sided recommendation isnt it, thats all im saying

Thats usually what people look for when they ask for a recommendation. I said PS3 because I am happy with mine.

Spades

Had this discussion with my brother last week, he has neither but does have a mate working for gamestop or gamezone, whatever its called. Anyway his mate said the 360 was the way to go because of price, games available etc and the overheating problem has been solved.

Keith186

projectmayhem wrote: »

tbh i'd say the ps3. not because of the games, or my fanboy nature... but because i forsee a pricedrop in the 360 next year, so if he so wishes to have his halo etc. fix he'll be grand to pick it up himself, whereas even with a pricedrop the ps3 will still be expensive.

I definitely wouldn't buy it for that reason anyway.

I have 360 and I was going to buy a PS3 but there's only 1/2 games I'd actually think would be good on it, went in to buy it and then changed my mind when I realised I'd still be just playing the 360.

Much better games on 360 and better online experience. You can stream the music, photos and videos too as with PS3. If connecting via wireless they'll need to get adapter which costs €80 but you can connect via laptop/pc if that has wireless already. There's forums in XBOX thread on how to do this or on xboxlivetheguide.com I think.

Saint Bob

Dosent teh PS3 cost alot more? so buy teh PS3, then if it turns out its crap can sell it and buy a 360 later, thats callin havin your cake and eating it

steviec

I've owned both and I'd recommend the PS3. It's got better games coming to it over the next year, and it's current games catalogue isn't nearly as far behind the 360 as is made out to be (you'd be missing out on a couple of good current games, but gaining a couple too, the majority of good games are out on both)

It's also (and this is the only thing nobody can dispute) got much better made hardware - it won't break, it's quieter and it doesn't overheat as much. You won't need to buy millions of peripherals for it either, unlike the 360 which will require extra battery packs and wireless adaptor and a subscription if you want online play.

cozmik

tman wrote: »

I just blew €500 on a PS3 this afternoon and my god was it a waste of money.

I own neither console but I'm just curious how anyone could come to that conclusion so quickly !?!

Helix

cozmik wrote: »

I own neither console but I'm just curious how anyone could come to that conclusion so quickly !?!

youd be very surprised

i had that same pang of "oh no" after i bought mine lol

that said im enjoying the machine and the games, i just wouldnt recommend it to anyone over the 360 at the moment

mcgovern

steviec wrote: »

I've owned both and I'd recommend the PS3. It's got better games coming to it over the next year, and it's current games catalogue isn't nearly as far behind the 360 as is made out to be (you'd be missing out on a couple of good current games, but gaining a couple too, the majority of good games are out on both)

There is a massive difference between the catalogues and most of the games on both, are better on the 360.
Let me post this again:

# Xbox 360 is home to the best-selling games with the top-rated next-generation titles. According to the world-wide authority in entertainment reviews, Metacritic, Xbox 360 has 80 titles with a Metacritic review score of 80 or higher compared to just 31 for PS3 and 11 for Wii.
# Newly released title “The Orange Box” (Valve) and the highly anticipated title “Mass Effect” (Microsoft Game Studios) have both generated rankings of 97 and higher according to Metacritic. And not to forget “BioShock” (2KGames) which remains one of the year’s highest rated games.
# In spite of the unprecedented success of “Halo 3,” Xbox 360 continued to drive third-party games sales across all platforms. PS3 and Wii had ZERO third party titles in the top ten console title list for the month, while Xbox 360 weighed in with 3. Since November, third party partners have seen their titles hit the top ten 27 times for Xbox 360, compared to 2 for PS3 and 1 for Wii.
# Everyone knew “Halo 3” would be big -and it didn’t disappoint- but it wasn’t the only good news for the industry. For the month of September, according to the NPD Group data, Xbox 360 held six spots in the Top Ten Console Games. Led by initial sales of “Halo 3” Xbox 360 software is flying off the shelves. Below is a breakout of title sales from the September NPD data:
# In its first two weeks, the three editions of “Halo 3” placed #1, 2 and 3 overall for console title sales - for a total of more than €157 ($225) million in sales in the U.S. with 3.3 million units. Average unit prices were €48 ($69) per game. The €91 ($130) “Halo 3: Legendary Edition” alone sold twice as many units as the top title for PS3 “Heavenly Sword” (SCE); the helmet is mightier than the sword.
# Proving that Xbox 360 is the new home for sports gamers, “Madden NFL ‘08” (EA) on Xbox 360 was again the leading next gen platform with 173,000 units sold, compared to the PS3 at 62,000 and Wii at 58,000. To date, “Madden NFL ‘08” has sold 1.1 million units on Xbox 360, 87 percent more than other next-gen platforms combined.
# Xbox 360 exclusive "BioShock" has sold 641,000 units through the end of September and remains to be on track to sell more than 1 million units. While “Halo 3” and “Madden NFL ‘08” have led the way as the first of a string of titles that are expected to sell more than 1 million units between now and the end of the year.
# As we announced earlier this month Xbox 360 has an unprecedented lineup of titles expected to sell at least a million units worldwide, including new and upcoming releases such as “Call of Duty 4®: Modern Warfare™" (Activision), "Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock" (RedOctane/Activision), "Mass Effect" (Microsoft Game Studios)
# Rounding out the top titles for Xbox 360, “Skate” (EA) came in at #6. The Xbox 360 version of the innovative titles outsold the PS3 version 6:1.

The above shows that the versions on 360 generally have a higher review, and people tend to buy multi-platform games on the 360 rather than the PS3 (to a much greater extent than the fact that there are more 360s out there than PS3s). Could it be that people are choosing the 360 version because its better on that? :eek:

steviec wrote: »

It's also (and this is the only thing nobody can dispute) got much better made hardware - it won't break, it's quieter and it doesn't overheat as much. You won't need to buy millions of peripherals for it either, unlike the 360 which will require extra battery packs and wireless adaptor and a subscription if you want online play.

You don't require those peripherals, I don't have any of them and I get along fine playing online with my wireless joypad. I do have a few headsets though that you don't get with the PS3.
The PS3 is more reliable, but Microsoft have extended the warrenty to 3 years for over heating issues and I play in a small room with a launch console and don't notice the noise of the 360 once I'm playing.

projectmayhem

mcgovern wrote: »

The above shows that the versions on 360 generally have a higher review, and people tend to buy multi-platform games on the 360 rather than the PS3 (to a much greater extent than the fact that there are more 360s out there than PS3s). Could it be that people are choosing the 360 version because its better on that? :eek:

i've been doing the opposite. free online play! plus my 360 is in my bedroom, which is two floors above the router. if the ps3 offers free play and built-in wifi, why should i bother with the €70 (how has the price not dropped yet?) wireless adapter, which has about €15 worth of technology in it.

mcgovern wrote: »

The PS3 is more reliable, but Microsoft have extended the warrenty to 3 years for over heating issues and I play in a small room with a launch console and don't notice the noise of the 360 once I'm playing.

there are some caviats to that warranty extension afaik. the console has to have been bought within a certain date, as shown by the serial... i think.

also, i have a launch 360 (i've had 4, technically ) and while it doesn't annoy me, to not hear the machine would worry me. you may want to get those ears checked out

Helix wrote: »

do you not think its a bit odd that everyone who has both is recommending the 360 over the ps3 by an absolute mile? no?

we've had people who bought a ps3 say it was a waste of money after one day. which means they got none of the experience from the machine and probably only played 2 games (resistance and motorstorm, or whatever bundles are going..).

the ps3's network has far superior games to xbla (not that xbla has bad games). the games aren't side-dishes, but for me are cheap main courses. calling all cars, flow, warhawk (though you can now get a disc version with a headset), super stardust hd et al are stunning games... but importantly, cheap.

as for "actual" games, PS3 is in its first year. it came out in Europe this year, march. you can't seriously expect it to have the same catalogue as the 360, which has some seriously quality titles. gears of war, halo3, PGR3 (haven't played the new one yet) etc. with some good stuff coming soon (mass effect etc.). but the ps3 has some great titles out now too, and a lot of the 360's stuff is on PS3 anyway. but the future for ps3 looks brighter for me then 360. killzone2 looks amazing, as does MGS4 and GT5 (the demo confirms that gameplay shows forza and pgr up big time). if you have youngins around, the 360 has very little to offer, while ps3 has begun momentum on the "family" gaming stuff with eye of judgement and the playstation eye games on PSN. singstar is on its way, no doubt followed by buzz.

what i'm saying here is that yeah, 360 has better games right now, and is cheaper, but ps3 has yet to come into its own. for the price you get a lot of cool stuff that are optional extras on 360 (and when you bring your 360 upto the ps3's capabilities with wifi, high def movies etc., it costs MORE then the ps3).

360 is a honda, cheap, fun and everyone loves you for it. but it'll break down in a heap and demand attention all the time; whereas the ps3 is a jaguar, expensive, fun, reliable and full of cool stuff, but ultimately it does the same job as the honda.

kaimera

Depends on what you want to play imo.

I bought an xbox recently because I wanted to play halo3 and pgr4, neither of which is on a ps3. I can safely safe I can't think of a single game I'd want to play on a ps3 so why should I buy one?

Varik

with the 40gb out now ps3 outselling 360 all most 2:1 for europe both are getting their @55 handed to them by wii but whatever. got this from eurogamer.net

projectmayhem

Varik wrote: »

with the 40gb out now ps3 outselling 360 all most 2:1 for europe both are getting their @55 handed to them by wii but whatever. got this from eurogamer.net

yes but, being a Wii owner myself, the games are useless unless made by Nintendo. it's got the same problem as the gamecube, except this time nintendo are more then happy to have it that way

tman

cozmik wrote: »

I own neither console but I'm just curious how anyone could come to that conclusion so quickly !?!

By looking at the top ranking games on metacritic and gamerankings and realising that ratchet and clank is the only exclusive title that I'm even remotely interested in. Then realising that Mario Galaxy is going to wipe the floor with that, and 1 platformer will do me for the year... (definitely not my favourite genre)
By playing resistance for all of 5 minutes before switching it off and going back to Metroid Prime 3.
By using the horrible controller and realising that the 360 controller is far superior in every way, so I'll just end up buying all of the multiformat releases for the 360 instead.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it'll come into its own a year down the line, and will be a handy upscaling dvd player/PS2 replacement until then. But €500 isn't something I'd normally hand over for something that has potential and little else.

awhir

http://www.gamepro.com/gamepro/international/games/features/144368.shtml

mcgovern

projectmayhem wrote: »

i've been doing the opposite. free online play! plus my 360 is in my bedroom, which is two floors above the router. if the ps3 offers free play and built-in wifi, why should i bother with the €70 (how has the price not dropped yet?) wireless adapter, which has about €15 worth of technology in it.

So you are one of the people who need the wireless adapter. Not all do so why should all pay?

projectmayhem wrote: »

there are some caviats to that warranty extension afaik. the console has to have been bought within a certain date, as shown by the serial... i think.

Problem should basically be sorted in the newer 65nm models though.

projectmayhem wrote: »

also, i have a launch 360 (i've had 4, technically ) and while it doesn't annoy me, to not hear the machine would worry me. you may want to get those ears checked out

I'm on my 5th, maybe its just my surround sound drowning it out

projectmayhem wrote: »

we've had people who bought a ps3 say it was a waste of money after one day. which means they got none of the experience from the machine and probably only played 2 games (resistance and motorstorm, or whatever bundles are going..).

the ps3's network has far superior games to xbla (not that xbla has bad games). the games aren't side-dishes, but for me are cheap main courses. calling all cars, flow, warhawk (though you can now get a disc version with a headset), super stardust hd et al are stunning games... but importantly, cheap.

But Xbox Live is far superior for actually playing games.

projectmayhem wrote: »

as for "actual" games, PS3 is in its first year. it came out in Europe this year, march. you can't seriously expect it to have the same catalogue as the 360, which has some seriously quality titles. gears of war, halo3, PGR3 (haven't played the new one yet) etc. with some good stuff coming soon (mass effect etc.). but the ps3 has some great titles out now too, and a lot of the 360's stuff is on PS3 anyway. but the future for ps3 looks brighter for me then 360. killzone2 looks amazing, as does MGS4 and GT5 (the demo confirms that gameplay shows forza and pgr up big time). if you have youngins around, the 360 has very little to offer, while ps3 has begun momentum on the "family" gaming stuff with eye of judgement and the playstation eye games on PSN. singstar is on its way, no doubt followed by buzz.

In less than 3 weeks it will be out a year in the US and what great games have they that Europe doesn't?
Xbox has Viva Pinata and Viva Pinata:Party Animals is out in a few weeks. Scene It is out soon which looks similar to Buzz in some ways. Kameo was a good game for kids (as well as adults). My little sister is my guinea pig for these and she loves them, almost as much as MySims on her DS

steviec

mcgovern wrote: »

So you are one of the people who need the wireless adapter. Not all do so why should all pay?

Because mass producing them in every box adds all of about a fiver to the price, while charging €70 for the adaptor seperately is an absolute rip off, and a hidden cost that many people won't account for until it's too late and they've bought one. I'd imagine more than 50% of users would need a wireless adaptor, how many people run ethernet cable to their sitting room?

Problem should basically be sorted in the newer 65nm models though.

Which is still hit or miss as to whether you get the right batch or not. Plus the gfx is the main culprit, and that hasn't been changed, so the jury is still out here.

But Xbox Live is far superior for actually playing games.

I've noticed little difference. F1CE or FIFA or Motorstorm have been no more laggy or more difficult to get online than PGR or CoD on 360. Then I don't play FPS games religiously and I have no concern with being in a clan or whatever so maybe if I did I'd appreciate whatever the hell it is that the 360 friends list apparently does better. I do probably enjoy the PS3 online experience more because there's less adolescents screaming abuse though (since nobody has mics, which can be a bad thing of course if you're big on your team games).

In less than 3 weeks it will be out a year in the US and what great games have they that Europe doesn't?

Just Ratchet & Clank I think. The point is (I've made it over and over again) that the PS3 has a very good games catalogue. It's just that most of these games are multiplatform so people ignore them. But by the same token, all of the best 360 games in its first year were multiplatform titles (GRAW, CoD2, Oblivion), it just had the advantage of being the only next gen platform at the time. Comparing like for like, the PS3 catalogue is vastly stronger right now than the 360 catalogue after 1 year, and more importantly there are many major exclusive PS3 franchises on the way. There is very little (exclusive) left to come for the 360 - after Mass Effect Bioware are going multiplatform, Bizzare have gone multiplatform, Epic have gone multiplatform, Capcom are multiplatform.... Even Bungie have parted ways with MS so only time will tell how loyal they stay. On the other hand Team Ico, Polyphony, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Studio Liverpool, Studio London and countless other Sony first party studios will only make Playstation games. MS don't have much in the way of quality first party studios of that calibre.

Xbox has Viva Pinata and Viva Pinata:Party Animals is out in a few weeks. Scene It is out soon which looks similar to Buzz in some ways. Kameo was a good game for kids (as well as adults). My little sister is my guinea pig for these and she loves them, almost as much as MySims on her DS

Why buy a 360 for a Buzz rip off when you can just play Buzz? Buzz and Singstar are nicely established. Whether or not people will upgrade to a PS3 for the next in the franchise is another matter entirely though, I don't see much point in buying any next gen console for this kind of game, the PS2 still ticks all the boxes there.

Ciaran500

steviec wrote: »

I do probably enjoy the PS3 online experience more because there's less adolescents screaming abuse though (since nobody has mics, which can be a bad thing of course if you're big on your team games).

Hit mute, takes seconds.

steviec wrote: »

There is very little (exclusive) left to come for the 360 - after Mass Effect

Halo Wars, Splinter Cell Conviction, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Alan Wake, Fable 2, Huxely, Left 4 Dead, Too Human, All Points Bulletin?


Bioware have said Microsoft will be "a long-term partner on Mass Effect." btw

sprinkles

Dinxminx wrote: »

I have the ps3 and definitely advise getting it - its only new so more and more games are coming out for it, it's cheaper in the long run, has amazing memory, and that Home thing is coming out soon which is going to be amazing!!

cheaper in the long run.... explain

RE*AC*TOR

sprinkles wrote: »

cheaper in the long run.... explain

if you only have a ps3 you'll spend less money on games in the long run

Ciaran500

sprinkles wrote: »

cheaper in the long run.... explain

Don't have to pay for online and you can import all your games?

sprinkles

threads people.... mere threads. Not a very convincing arguement.

You can import them now. Nothing to say region locks won't be put in place later.

Free online but a worse system by all accounts.

PS: There has been some serious fanboy-ism on this thread already - and it's only 2 and a half pages

projectmayhem

mcgovern wrote: »

So you are one of the people who need the wireless adapter. Not all do so why should all pay?

that's kind of a weak argument. you could say that about rumble, wirelessness etc. etc. they could remove so much stuff to keep costs way down (a-la wii, like taking out DVD playback). but even so, the peripheral "extras" on 360 are priced extortionately, which is where MS make money back.

mcgovern wrote: »

But Xbox Live is far superior for actually playing games.

for gameplay itself it's the same. the thing is that PSN doesn't have the same attractions (match making, achievements etc.), but that stuff will change over time.

mcgovern wrote: »

In less than 3 weeks it will be out a year in the US and what great games have they that Europe doesn't?

after the first year the only things 360 had that were system sellers were gears and oblivion, one of which is now on ps3 anyway, and both (come november) will be on pc.

mcgovern wrote: »

Xbox has Viva Pinata and Viva Pinata:Party Animals is out in a few weeks. Scene It is out soon which looks similar to Buzz in some ways. Kameo was a good game for kids (as well as adults). My little sister is my guinea pig for these and she loves them, almost as much as MySims on her DS

you can't compare viva pinata to the games i listed for ps3, or the sims. viva pinata was bought by your sister and 12 ex rare employees worldwide, despite having a tv show to back it. the 360's market is to "hardcore" shooter fans, for the most part.

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Halo Wars, Splinter Cell Conviction, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Alan Wake, Fable 2, Huxely, Left 4 Dead, Too Human, All Points Bulletin?

splinter cell and banjo kazooie you've got me on, but isn't alan wake out on PC too? halo wars looks a bit "meh" and l4d is a PC game for me! although fable2 will be the greatest creation ever, god will cry because of it (so we're told )

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Bioware have said Microsoft will be "a long-term partner on Mass Effect." btw

yeah i'm going to call biowares bluff on that. it was true, and chances are mass effect will only be on 360/PC (maybe)... but sequels will probably find their way on every machine in the world, including DS. EA are now the owners of bioware, and microsoft (afaik) do not own the "mass effect" IP, unlike "halo".

Ciaran500

projectmayhem wrote: »

you can't compare viva pinata to the games i listed for ps3, or the sims. viva pinata was bought by your sister and 12 ex rare employees worldwide, despite having a tv show to back it. the 360's market is to "hardcore" shooter fans, for the most part.

Ahem, Viva Pinata was great and kept me entertained all last Christmas.

projectmayhem wrote: »

but isn't alan wake out on PC too?

Yep, but this thread is about PS3 or 360 and Alan Wake is a big game for the 360.

projectmayhem wrote: »

halo wars looks a bit "meh"

So is GT5 to me but its still banded around as a big exclusive.

mcgovern

I have to agree with Ciaran500, I myself have about 50+hrs put into Viva Pinata, one of the most addictive games ever.
Oh, but I forgot, if projectmayhem doesn't like it, its overhyped crap or undersold garbage :rolleyes:

Other 360 exclusives include Marvel Universe Online (MMO), whatever Peter Jackson is working on. the DLC for GTA IV...
And I'd be willing to bet that almost all non 1st party exclusives on the PS3 will be timed only.

sprinkles

This can be done to death.

Xbox360

Cheaper
More games
Great exclusives already available - more exclusives in the pipeline
Rumble feature
Tried and tested on-line (Xbox Live)
Comfortable controllers


PS3

Blueray included
More than 4 controllers can be synced
Some exclusives out already - more to follow
Tilt contoller
Free online


Both consoles have Fifa etc. Both have backwards compatibility issues.

Simple answer imo is the 360 is better now. The PS3 may be better in the future but lets wait and see before making that claim.

Oh and Transformers isn't available on Blueray

projectmayhem

mcgovern wrote: »

I have to agree with Ciaran500, I myself have about 50+hrs put into Viva Pinata, one of the most addictive games ever.
Oh, but I forgot, if projectmayhem doesn't like it, its overhyped crap or undersold garbage :rolleyes:

not entirely sure where that last sentence is coming from but anyway, viva pinata wasn't very good. the fact that despite having a TV series to promote it, it still sold about 12 copies worldwide. my point though, wasn't necessarily that viva pinata was a collosal waste of my time (i could just do some real gardening and feel like a real man with a pink sweater) but rather that the 360 market is very well defined as being a market you buy the unreal engine for and try to copy gears of war, but in first-person mode.

mcgovern wrote: »

And I'd be willing to bet that almost all non 1st party exclusives on the PS3 will be timed only.

how much?

Ciaran500 wrote: »

So is GT5 to me but its still banded around as a big exclusive.

is halo wars actually a big exclusive though? i love my halo, and halo wars seems like a good idea being executed by the wrong people. age of empires is too slow paced a game to be converted over to halo wars (which is essentially what is happening here)...

steviec

Ciaran500 wrote: »

Halo Wars, Splinter Cell Conviction, Banjo-Kazooie 3, Alan Wake, Fable 2, Huxely, Left 4 Dead, Too Human, All Points Bulletin?

Out of interest where did you read about APB?

All of the game's official material and website have removed references to the 360 btw, though I honestly don't know what the long term plans are.

conzy

PC \o/