Re: "The Re: 'The 'Praise the lord' thread."

Jesus Wept

Please reference this thread.


Brian here is how things have unfolded.


1. I post a question I see as valid, and believe the majority of people would also, regardless of faith.

2. Asiaprod suggests I have ridiculed myself. (He doesn't go into specifics).

3. I suggest Asiaprod has ridiculed himself by suggesting so (2.) with no basis for it, or backing up of his statement.

4. I start a new thread with the purpose of engaging discussion on my original unanswered question. You say I have insulted him and close it.


This, IMO, is dreadful moderation thus far on both your parts.


May I also point you towards the charter of this forum.

JustHalf wrote:

Please read: Charter
The charter (rules) of the Christianity board

1. The purpose of this board is to discuss Christian belief in general, and specific elements of it, between Christians and non-Christians alike. It has the additional purpose of being a point on boards.ie where Christians may ask other Christians questions about their shared faith.
2. In keeping with that purpose, please be honest about your faith where it makes a clear difference to your answer. This isn't "Personal Issues"... if a person comes here with a problem, it is probably because they think a Christian answer will be more relevant to them. This is not to discourage non-Christians replying, it is simply a matter of courtesy.
3. Arguments such as "There is no God, therefore..." or "The Bible is full of contradictions, therefore..." will not be tolerated. Don't start off with a conclusion which your audience is bound to disagree with!
4. Crazy fundamentalist bigotry will not be tolerated. Remember, God loves every one of his children.
5. If anyone wants to post up an event or something like it as a sticky, PM me the details. This will be provided as an information service, not as an endorsement.
6. Unreasonable antagonism to particular Christian churches (typically but not always Catholicism) will not be tolerated.
7. Do not post anything intended to inflame or insult. This is meant to be a place of debate where you can challenge ideas all you like but don't go outside boundaries of taste or decency and don't get personal

This forum should abide by the charter set forth, and I have not infringed on any of the points set out.


Asiaprod didn't advise for or against starting a new thread, he gave me a final warning, but didn't state what conduct I had breached.

All I have done is ask a question. Seemingly you dislike the question enough to close all threads and imply that you will ban me for asking it again.

The charter clearly says

The Charter wrote:

'The purpose of this board is to discuss Christian belief in general, and specific elements of it, between Christians and non-Christians alike.'

If this is not the case, then please update the charter.

If it is the case, please re-open the original 'Re: The 'Praise the lord' thread
and allow discussion of 'Christian belief in general, and specific elements of it, between Christians and non-Christians alike.'

Ninja_scrotum

The-Rigger wrote: »

When something bad happens to you, when someone doesn't survive a car crash, do you blame the lord?
And the people who do die of cancer, did they not pray hard enough? Do you blame the lord?

The-rigger, don't expect decent answers to come easy.

But anyways...

I would blame him if He were real, since it seems to have been part of one's "life plan", which is allegedly pre-set, even before you are born...

PDN

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

I would blame him if He were real, since it seems to have been part of one's "life plan", which is allegedly pre-set, even before you are born...

Do you really believe your life-plan was pre-set before you were born? I certainly don't believe that, nor do most Christians.

therigger

therigger wrote:

I speculate the best you would likely muster is something vague about 'the lord moves in mysterious ways' and 'the lord has a plan for us all'.

Asiaprod's not a christian, so no..

Dave!

I think I missed something, lol....

I don't see why a thread shouldn't be allowed, where people can ask questions about the 'Praise the Lord' thread though, as long as they don't start trolling in the actual thread.

Nobody's forced to reply to it...

Ninja_scrotum

PDN wrote: »

Do you really believe your life-plan was pre-set before you were born? I certainly don't believe that, nor do most Christians.

I knew I'd get a reply like that. I don't believe in a "life plan". I've had other Christians tell me about Gods life plan though. And I'm not so sure that you actually know the opinion of "most Christians" since there's a few million of them.

Look, this is Christian preaching. Are you a Christian or not?

Psalm 139: 16 You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe.

DeletedPencil

When something bad happens to you, when someone doesn't survive a car crash, do you blame the lord?
And the people who do die of cancer, did they not pray hard enough? Do you blame the lord?

"I form the light and create darkness,
I bring prosperity and create disaster;
I, the LORD, do all these things."

Isaiah 45:7

Looks pretty clear to me!

PDN

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

I knew I'd get a reply like that. I don't believe in a "life plan". I've had other Christians tell me about Gods life plan though. And I'm not so sure that you actually know the opinion of "most Christians" since there's a few million of them.

There are certain denominations that believe in predestination (that God fore-ordained everything in advance) but those denominations represent a minority of Christians worldwide.

Look, this is Christian preaching. Are you a Christian or not?

It may be Christian preaching, but that does not mean that it represents all, or even most, Christians. If you look hard enough you can find examples of a Christian somewhere preaching just about anything. What does that prove?

Psalm 139: 16 You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe.

You are quoting from the Living Bible which is a paraphrase rather than a translation. The Hebrew here is a bit ambiguous and many scholars believe the verse is actually talking about the unformed limbs of the developing foetus in the womb. For example, the Jewish Publication Society translation reads:

"Your eyes saw my unformed limbs;
they were all recorded in Your book;
in due time they were formed,
to the very last one of them.
How weighty Your thoughts seem to me, O God."

BrianCalgary

The-Rigger wrote: »

Please reference this thread.


Brian here is how things have unfolded.


1. I post a question I see as valid, and believe the majority of people would also, regardless of faith.

2. Asiaprod suggests I have ridiculed myself. (He doesn't go into specifics).

3. I suggest Asiaprod has ridiculed himself by suggesting so (2.) with no basis for it, or backing up of his statement.

4. I start a new thread with the purpose of engaging discussion on my original unanswered question. You say I have insulted him and close it.


This, IMO, is dreadful moderation thus far on both your parts.


May I also point you towards the charter of this forum.




This forum should abide by the charter set forth, and I have not infringed on any of the points set out.


Asiaprod didn't advise for or against starting a new thread, he gave me a final warning, but didn't state what conduct I had breached.

All I have done is ask a question. Seemingly you dislike the question enough to close all threads and imply that you will ban me for asking it again.

The charter clearly says


If this is not the case, then please update the charter.

If it is the case, please re-open the original 'Re: The 'Praise the lord' thread
and allow discussion of 'Christian belief in general, and specific elements of it, between Christians and non-Christians alike.'

Rigger
It was the way you went about about it. You have been given the opportunity to ask your question and were asked to begin a new thread, which you start by slamming us mods.

This is strike two.

As a first time poster you certainly do have a lot of gall criticizing the mods, it gives us a bd taste in our mouth.

BrianCalgary

Ninja_scrotum wrote: »

I knew I'd get a reply like that. I don't believe in a "life plan". I've had other Christians tell me about Gods life plan though. And I'm not so sure that you actually know the opinion of "most Christians" since there's a few million of them.

Romans 8:28-30 talks about a life preordained by God, that transforms you into the likeness of Christ.

Now do you wish to participate or not?

If you do choose to participate God will communicate with you, He will answer your prayers, He will provide grat opportunities to use your gifts and your personality to serve others, etc, etc.

Jesus Wept

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Rigger
It was the way you went about about it. You have been given the opportunity to ask your question and were asked to begin a new thread, which you start by slamming us mods.

This is strike two.

As a first time poster you certainly do have a lot of gall criticizing the mods, it gives us a bd taste in our mouth.

There are inaccuracies in your post Brian.
I was not asked to begin a new thread by anyone, or told I could. I was told I had 'ridiculed myself' and that I was on my 'last warning'. It was also my first warning, and Asiaprod didn't stipulate what the warning was for or what element of the charter I had breeched.


What kind of example was Asiaprods first comments to me, a new poster on the forum? I asked a question and his only response was to say I had ridiculed myself!

Neither of you have told me what charter rule/s I have broken to receive a first and/or second warning. You purely don't like that I am willing to call you on mistakes that you have made, and that I am new to the forum and doing it.

It shouldn't matter if I have 1000 or 1 post on this forum, you are either in the wrong or you are not, there isn't a degree of right and wrong based on how many posts I've clocked on this forum.

If anything you should try and be inclusive and encourage new posters, Asiaprods post was the polar opposite of this.



Strike one was using the same insult that Asiaprod used on me first?
At least I based it on something. You tell me, which is makes more sense:

A: Telling a poster new to the forum they have ridiculed themselves in response to them asking a question, a question seen as valid by the contributers to this thread.

B: Asking a question, being told you have ridiculed yourself by a mod of he forum, someone who should know better, and should be leading by example, Then telling that mod they have actually ridiculed themselves for making such a baseless, pointless, unhelpful remark.


Oh but he is a mod of the forum so he is in infallible?
Do you see yourself as above criticism?

Nobody likes to have their mistakes point out, it does leave a bad taste in ones mouth, but someone astutely pointing out mistakes you have made regardless of the bad taste it has left you with is not a valid reason to throw warnings at them or a potential banning at them.


I was critical of Asiaprod because he said I had 'ridiculed' myself.

Doesn't the bible say something along the lines of 'let he without sin cast the first stone', and 'do onto others as you would have done unto you'?

It wasn't the way I went about it, you just don't like that I am willing to call Asiaprod and yourself when you have made a mistake, but to err is human, I won't judge for you it, we all make mistakes, but for God's sake, come down off the high horse before you hurt yourself.

The vast majority of the mods do a fantastic job on this site.


This is what would of been a better path, IMO

1. Asiaprod shouldn't be telling people that they have 'ridiculed themselves when they have asked a valid question. If he had not done this, we wouldn't of avoided all further conversation regarding it.

2. When I posted the first 'Re: The Praise the lord thread'. You were the first to respond to the thread, you closed it, and dared me to try again.

You were first to respond to the thread, and your post should of said that there was to be no further debate of the Asiaprod/Rigger personal comments from anyone, and only on topic responses to the actual question would be permitted.

You should of suggested I take any further grievance I have to PM (and Feedback/helpdesk, etc. after that if I wished)

Now I probably have major gall for 'telling you how to do your job'.

I suppose this counts as strikes 3, 4, and 5.

Fanny Cradock

I wasn't going to bother adding fuel to the flame, but after that last rant I couldn't resist.

I thought your initial post was quite appalling. Not the question itself, but the insensitive placement of it in a thread completely unsuited to said question. I think you realised this when you admitted that it wasn't the best place for your query. However, then asking for the original post to be reopened (flabbergasting in itself given your admission) and the subsequent firing of your salvoes at the mods (and in the process completely losing whatever your question was) isn't the best first impression you can make.

Still, maybe you'll sleep better after getting that off your chest. Welcome to the forum.

Scofflaw

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I wasn't going to bother adding fuel to the flame, but after that last rant I couldn't resist.

I thought your initial post was quite appalling. Not the question itself, but the insensitive placement of it in a thread completely unsuited to said question. I think you realised this when you admitted that it wasn't the best place for your query. However, then asking for the original post to be reopened (flabbergasting in itself given your admission) and the subsequent firing of your salvoes at the mods (and in the process completely losing whatever your question was) isn't the best first impression you can make.

Still, maybe you'll sleep better after getting that off your chest. Welcome to the forum.

It could even be counted as positive, if it stopped him writing it in someone's book of condolences.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Jesus Wept

Scofflaw wrote: »

It could even be counted as positive, if it stopped him writing it in someone's book of condolences.

cordially,
Scofflaw

This makes little sense to me, feel free to explain it further. It was a 'Praise' thread, not a condolences thread, I didn't start speaking ill of people who have
passed away or had misfortune, my sentiment was very much the opposite to this.

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I wasn't going to bother adding fuel to the flame, but after that last rant I couldn't resist.

I thought your initial post was quite appalling. Not the question itself, but the insensitive placement of it in a thread completely unsuited to said question. I think you realised this when you admitted that it wasn't the best place for your query. However, then asking for the original post to be reopened (flabbergasting in itself given your admission) and the subsequent firing of your salvoes at the mods (and in the process completely losing whatever your question was) isn't the best first impression you can make.

Still, maybe you'll sleep better after getting that off your chest. Welcome to the forum.

How was it insensitive? It was misplaced, I concurred with DaveMcG as soon as he suggested it. I am capable of admitting an error.

I didn't ask for my 'original post to be reopened'.


I have yet to be told what charter rule/s I have broken.

I have been given a final warning' followed by a 'second warning'. How does that make sense? Clearly something isn't right with that setup, correct?
Yet of the warnings I have received thus far, no explanation has been given of what rule/s I have infringed on.

I think the course of action I suggested Brian should of taken would of being more prudent.

The only salvoes I offered had already being thrown my way first by Asiaprod.

There is nothing remotely rantish about my post, every word of it is accurate and was delivered with poised thought.

Fanny Cradock wrote:

Welcome to the forum.

Thank you.

JimiTime

TBH Rigger, Watever your beef is with the mods send them a pm, or go to feedback or something, as its really detracting from any question you are trying to ask. I would suggest that you have this thread closed, and if you have a question, ask it without any gripe about whats gone on. then people will likely respond to your question.

Scofflaw

The-Rigger wrote: »

This makes little sense to me, feel free to explain it further. It was a 'Praise' thread, not a condolences thread, I didn't start speaking ill of people who have passed away or had misfortune, my sentiment was very much the opposite to this.

Your question was perfectly legitimate, but its placement wasn't. Why did you think it was acceptable to come into a thread in which people sincerely thanked God for such things as successful operations, and challenge their faith? Do you see how that's similar to challenging people's faith at a funeral, or a wedding, or when they are praying for a sick relative? Did you see any other atheist posts in that thread?

It's not as if that question has not been asked before - it has been, several times. Still, no-one yet had the insensitivity to do it quite the way you did, despite the impetuous nature of some of our atheist posters. Asiaprod (who's a Buddhist, not a Christian) was quite right to remove your post.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Asiaprod

Thank you Scofflaw, you managed to say what I could not put into words. In particular

Did you see any other atheist posts in that thread?

Respectfully,
Asia

BrianCalgary

Lets see rigger, you tell fannyCraddock that this whole post was accurate.

It includes the following statement:

The-Rigger wrote: »

There are inaccuracies in your post Brian.
I was not asked to begin a new thread by anyone, or told I could.

And here in the locked post I invite you to begin a new one: We'll give you another shot. Ask your question in a new thread and we;ll see how it goes.

Still want to claim accuracy?

Jesus Wept

I wanted to leave this thread die, because we clearly don't see eye to eye, and I've made my observations about the modding I have witnessed on this forum clear.

BrianCalgary wrote: »

Lets see rigger, you tell fannyCraddock that this whole post was accurate.

It includes the following statement:

The-Rigger wrote:

I was not asked to begin a new thread by anyone, or told I could.

And here in the locked post I invite you to begin a new one: We'll give you another shot. Ask your question in a new thread and we;ll see how it goes.

Still want to claim accuracy?

Try and keep quotes in context Brian.



Lets start by quoting what I said, in context.

The-Rigger wrote:

There are inaccuracies in your post Brian.
I was not asked to begin a new thread by anyone, or told I could. I was told I had 'ridiculed myself' and that I was on my 'last warning'. It was also my first warning, and Asiaprod didn't stipulate what the warning was for or what element of the charter I had breeched.

Even by quoting one line beyond what you choose to quote, it shows that I was referring to Asiaprods response to my question in the 'Praise the lord thread'.

If you are going to respond in this thread 4 days after the last post (by Asiaprod, which I choose not to respond to and to let things lie), then at least be accurate.

So yes, you have shown further inaccuracies. You should read posts in full if you are going to quote them.

Akrasia

PDN wrote: »

Do you really believe your life-plan was pre-set before you were born? I certainly don't believe that, nor do most Christians.

If you believe in prophesies then you must believe that the future has already been told. If the future is told, then our lives must follow a certain path which God has already chosen.

PDN

Akrasia wrote: »

If you believe in prophesies then you must believe that the future has already been told. If the future is told, then our lives must follow a certain path which God has already chosen.

Not at all. It is perfectly reasonable that an omnipotent God could warn of an event through prophecy and then, by one means or another, ensure that the said event happened.

Also, many prophesies in Scripture are conditional, depending on whether people act in a particular way. For example, in the Book of Jonah we read that God told Jonah to prophesy to Nineveh that it would be destroyed as an act of judgment. However, the Ninevehites repented and the prophesied judgment was averted.