Angle Shot?

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 12:46am #1

SE 1/2 PL tonight.

On a board of 225 and im holding 34 i lead out at the pot and get called by villain in the hand. The turn brings a 6 giving me the straight. I bet out €30 and the villain calls. Jack on the river.

So im 99% sure that my hand is the best. I count out €50 and spin it onto the table. The villain turns around and says "did the €5 hit the table first" the dealer thinks for a moment and says yes i think it did. I didnt ask for a ruling at the time which i probably should of done.

Villain calls €5 and turns over A2 for trips. I said to him i think thats pretty shady and he replies "i wouldnt of called €50"

The strange thing is i play alot with the guy and i do think he is a good bloke which is why i was taken aback by this incident.

Is it a clear case of angle shooting or am i over reacting abit?

mdwexford · 22-10-2007 12:55am

The dealer is being a muppet if it went like that.

Captain Tom · 22-10-2007 12:59am

it sounds to me like you string bet. a lot of people will call you on that.

Flushdraw · 22-10-2007 1:04am

You always spin your chips into the pot and a lot of the times 1 chip hits the table before the rest. Its always open for a string bet to be called against you.

Usually you say the amount first, stick to that mate.

Oh and he played that A2 so so badly..

ocallagh · 22-10-2007 1:10am

tylerdurden94 wrote: »

SE 1/2 PL tonight.

On a board of 225 and im holding 34 i lead out at the pot and get called by villain in the hand. The turn brings a 6 giving me the straight. I bet out €30 and the villain calls. Jack on the river.

So im 99% sure that my hand is the best. I count out €50 and spin it onto the table. The villain turns around and says "did the €5 hit the table first" the dealer thinks for a moment and says yes i think it did. I didnt ask for a ruling at the time which i probably should of done.

Villain calls €5 and turns over A2 for trips. I said to him i think thats pretty shady and he replies "i wouldnt of called €50"

The strange thing is i play alot with the guy and i do think he is a good bloke which is why i was taken aback by this incident.

Is it a clear case of angle shooting or am i over reacting abit?

you need to be clearer on this. Was it a string bet or not?

If it was a clear string bet then I suppose the guys actions were fine. If you know each other, and the guy realised it was an accident by you he should have let it go (Although that depends on you.. if you're an angle shooter yourself I would definitely call you up on it!:D ps: I don't know who you are by the way!)

If it was not a string bet then he was clearly angle shooting.

Captain Tom · 22-10-2007 1:17am

the real lesson here is dont be such a nit that he just calls you down with A2.

Zab · 22-10-2007 1:25am

I'd always thought that string bets had to do with multiple movements rather than chips hitting the table as a clump. Assuming I'm correct here, I can't see how the dealer could possibly say this is a string bet. Sounds like he/she got bluffed by villain.

Can't see him folding the river for 50 either, even if you're a total nit, assuming you're in the blinds.

valor · 22-10-2007 2:03am

lol @ this guy trying to call you on a string bet when he is that strong

Hectorjelly · 22-10-2007 2:35am

Flushdraw wrote: »

You always spin your chips into the pot and a lot of the times 1 chip hits the table before the rest. Its always open for a string bet to be called against you.

Usually you say the amount first, stick to that mate.

Oh and he played that A2 so so badly..

Op, Do you normally wear a cap, have a goatee and play in a lot of the SE mtts? Anyway if you are him, or you put your chips in like he does; then you are asking for this to happen. I noticed this the first time we played.

Whilst it is technically an angle shoot, I I dont think theres anything wrong with what he did. Its your fault for not putting the chips into the pot in a technically "correct" manner. If it was a mistake, or unusual on your part it would be one thing, but doing it regularly is asking for someone to take advantage of it.

Flushdraw · 22-10-2007 9:17am

Hectorjelly wrote: »

Op, Do you normally wear a cap, have a goatee and play in a lot of the SE mtts? Anyway if you are him, or you put your chips in like he does; then you are asking for this to happen. I noticed this the first time we played.

Whilst it is technically an angle shoot, I I dont think theres anything wrong with what he did. Its your fault for not putting the chips into the pot in a technically "correct" manner. If it was a mistake, or unusual on your part it would be one thing, but doing it regularly is asking for someone to take advantage of it.

Yep thats Danny. Uses his thumb and index finger to spin his chips into the pot

ollyk1 · 22-10-2007 9:50am

tylerdurden94 wrote: »

So im 99% sure that my hand is the best. I count out €50 and spin it onto the table. The villain turns around and says "did the €5 hit the table first" the dealer thinks for a moment and says yes i think it did. I didnt ask for a ruling at the time which i probably should of done.

Ask for a ruling straight away.

As far as I'm concerned its one movement of chips and your intention was clear and I've seen plenty of possible string bets ruled as being okay in the SE on this basis (something I personally agree with).

Having said all that how you put chips into the pot is a problem waiting to happen.

Also, you should really consider how well this guy knows that you never bluff the river if he's only calling €5 here. Bluff more on the river against this opponent and that way you'll at least profit from this hand in the long run.

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 10:27am

ocallagh wrote: »

you need to be clearer on this. Was it a string bet or not?

If it was a clear string bet then I suppose the guys actions were fine. If you know each other, and the guy realised it was an accident by you he should have let it go (Although that depends on you.. if you're an angle shooter yourself I would definitely call you up on it!:D ps: I don't know who you are by the way!)

If it was not a string bet then he was clearly angle shooting.

Im definately not an angle shooter! I had put the chips in the pot the same way on the two previous bets.

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 10:31am

Hectorjelly wrote: »

Op, Do you normally wear a cap, have a goatee and play in a lot of the SE mtts? Anyway if you are him, or you put your chips in like he does; then you are asking for this to happen. I noticed this the first time we played.

Whilst it is technically an angle shoot, I I dont think theres anything wrong with what he did. Its your fault for not putting the chips into the pot in a technically "correct" manner. If it was a mistake, or unusual on your part it would be one thing, but doing it regularly is asking for someone to take advantage of it.

Yep that would be me

As Tony had mentioned earlier i would normally announce what i would raise and then motion my chips into the pot in this way. On this occasion i had not. As i mentioned in the post above the betting had gone the same way for the previous two bets and if he had a problem why not call me up on it then if i had been out of line.

Also when i made the bet on the river the dealer announced "€50" which they must not of thought it was a string bet but when the villain mentioned it the dealer had to think then.

jbravado · 22-10-2007 10:35am

Im guessing this was the work of a Mr.M Stevens.wretched creature.

BuChan · 22-10-2007 11:13am

jbravado wrote: »

Im guessing this was the work of a Mr.M Stevens.wretched creature.

lol, internet needling. seems as though the dealer screwed you here a little, who was it? instacall for a ruling.

DeVore · 22-10-2007 12:46pm

If you throw 5 chips into the air and one lands before the others, it is NOT A STRING BET.

A string bet is a bet where you have sufficent time to consider the reaction of your opponent before adding to the bet. If the chips were committed (in flight?) then its not a string bet.

DeV.

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 1:04pm

jbravado wrote: »

Im guessing this was the work of a Mr.M Stevens.wretched creature.

No not him.

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 1:06pm

DeVore wrote: »

If you throw 5 chips into the air and one lands before the others, it is NOT A STRING BET.

A string bet is a bet where you have sufficent time to consider the reaction of your opponent before adding to the bet. If the chips were committed (in flight?) then its not a string bet.

DeV.

The way i look at it aswell if the €25 chip hit the table first would he of still said the same thing.

ocallagh · 22-10-2007 2:41pm

tylerdurden94 wrote: »

Im definately not an angle shooter! I had put the chips in the pot the same way on the two previous bets.

I think I know who you are now (and I know you're not an angle shooter... but you could have been anyone when you wrote the original post). I played with you twice in the SE and was impressed by your play. Actually, I think you knocked me out on those two occasions!

Anyway, it sounds like the guy was being a dick. I'd have called him up on it. You always bet that way with your chips. It's not a string bet, and given the fact the guy knows you it's even worse.

mickste · 22-10-2007 3:11pm

Too busy winning the tournament sammy, although i appreciate your kind words. If you make it back to ireland alive i'll be impressed

semibluff · 22-10-2007 5:10pm

i think there was nothing wrong with trying to call for as cheap as possible.

Last night i had a simular hand. the boards was paired in a raised pot pre. Id AK, it was 99A. I was pretty sure he ahd the 9, when he checked flop, bet 1/5th of pot turn (his norm) and then tried to bet pot on the river (when he knew i had some of it) but he did the biggest string ever know to man kind, so i happilly called him up on it, and just gve him a 5euro. Nothing wrong with it IMO, using the rules to your advantage

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 5:32pm

ocallagh wrote: »

I think I know who you are now (and I know you're not an angle shooter... but you could have been anyone when you wrote the original post). I played with you twice in the SE and was impressed by your play. Actually, I think you knocked me out on those two occasions!

Anyway, it sounds like the guy was being a dick. I'd have called him up on it. You always bet that way with your chips. It's not a string bet, and given the fact the guy knows you it's even worse.

Thank you for your good words

Thats what i thought aswell the fact that we play together alot an he done it. I said to him that i thought that was the most shady thing ive ever seen you do. But he did come up to me after awhile and did apologise to me for it.

tylerdurden94 · 22-10-2007 5:33pm

mickste wrote: »

Too busy winning the tournament sammy, although i appreciate your kind words. If you make it back to ireland alive i'll be impressed

Congrats Mick first of many to come!

corkie123 · 22-10-2007 6:27pm

i said this for years guys try to throw there chips in to the middle of table and then some cant it they make the mistake of string betting by letting somechips drop before the others leave there hands .

u can easy get rid of this by stating i raise or bet 50 or what ever u want to bet.then theres no complaining if u put them in one by one as u said wat u wanted to bet .

i played in connies tourie a few weeks ago and the same player was doing it all the time which pissed me off so i picked him up on it everytime he done it against me .

so the lesson to learn is state what u want to bet then there is no one who can complain

easy all some players have to do is learn this

Macspower · 22-10-2007 6:27pm

tylerdurden94 wrote: »

Congrats Mick first of many to come!

Yeah wd Mick on your first tourney win

hatedajacks · 22-10-2007 6:35pm

Alrite Danny!
You havent mentioned who it is but I will. I was speaking to Donal about this after i donked my tourney chips away. I didnt realise it was u in the hand. Its a bit out of line alright but i must clear up one point from his side. He was 100% sure u were ahead but said it was worth a fiver to see if you had the straight or a flush. It would have been interesting alright if you had have been at it though. I wouldnt blame u for being a bit pissed though as i aintsue if Donal can put down a set in this spot if i am honest.
Well done Mick! Just in time for the November madness!

Lazare · 22-10-2007 8:14pm

mickste wrote: »

Too busy winning the tournament sammy, although i appreciate your kind words. If you make it back to ireland alive i'll be impressed

Nice one Mick. WP

tylerdurden94 · 23-10-2007 3:28am

hatedajacks wrote: »

Alrite Danny!
You havent mentioned who it is but I will. I was speaking to Donal about this after i donked my tourney chips away. I didnt realise it was u in the hand. Its a bit out of line alright but i must clear up one point from his side. He was 100% sure u were ahead but said it was worth a fiver to see if you had the straight or a flush. It would have been interesting alright if you had have been at it though. I wouldnt blame u for being a bit pissed though as i aintsue if Donal can put down a set in this spot if i am honest.
Well done Mick! Just in time for the November madness!

Yeah couldnt believe that u were gone whats up Kev u lost ur mojo? I didnt really want to metion his name as i doubt he posts here so he wouldnt have a chance to defend himself.

Thats it exactly i doubt it very much he would of been able to lay it down so thats why i value bet the river knowing that he has to call. Also if i had of made my straight with the Ace that would of given him the house and never in a million years would he of said anything. Would of been very interesting if i had of been making a move at it. Think i would of emploded like Bad Beat Joe :eek:

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