Garda Harassment/Racism

dayo41

I was recently awoken to the sound of a country accent screaming racist abuse under my bedroom window. i looked out to see out finest community coppers. so i grabbed me phone and started filming.
they had stopped and were searching a black guy on the street an da dirty scumbags made him take his jeans off on da street, to me this is totaly outa line, the footage is not great but you can clearly see them put his jeans on the ground, all the while screaming racial abuse in his face then they wonder why he resists arrest...
I shouted down to them it was out of line and was asked "what you going to do call the guards?" unbelievable especially considering it happened a stones throw from the ombudsmans office on abbey street.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMGtz6SumiQ

subway

i cant see or make out any of the allgations made in your post

mikemac

I can barely see and definitly can't hear anything in that video.
So do you have anymore backup before you badmouth the gardaí?

curiousxxx1

I cant see anything either, but it wouldn't surprise me....

dayo41

i know its really bad quality (I had just been sleeping so wasnt to quick on the uptake) but you can see the garda put the man's trousers on the ground - myself and my girlfriend had the displeasure of hearing them repeatedly scream at him whats the capital of congo.
upon the mans answer the garda insisted he was wrong and after a few more obcenities from the gard out came the handcuffs to which the man refused and was promptly pounced upon by the two gards who had no hesitation in whipping out thier new fandaggeld telescopic beat the ****e outa ya pole.
not bad mouthing just stating actual events. unfortunately my phone memory was full. you may think im full of ****e but i know what i witnessed.

dayo41

who they?
was thinking the ombudsmen but after the garda said what you gonna do call the gards i then thought is there any point??
and having grown up in this city i know the way the system works...:mad: nothing would ever come of it.

dayo41

just twigged your link
cheers

spurious

Ring your local station, ask for the person in charge and say you have it all videoed.
At no stage tell them the video quality is crap.
See what the reaction is.

arybvtcw0eolkf

curiousxxx1 wrote: »

I cant see anything either, but it wouldn't surprise me....

Why would it not surprise you?.

Btw, did you get a taxi ok tonight or wanna play the race card in this thread too?.

sunnyjim

The thread starter is off his rocker. Where is all this 'abuse'?

And as for Curiousxx1... You don't like our gardai or taxis?

dayo41

sunny if you bothered to read what i wrote then you know that i said that the footage wasn't the best and in regards to the abuse i'm only trying to tell people what happened at the time, but you can see the copper put the mans jeans on the ground to me i think is a breach of human rights, would you let a gard or anyone for that matter to take your jeans off in public? i think not!

jawlie

dayo41 wrote: »

sunny if you bothered to read what i wrote then you know that i said that the footage wasn't the best and in regards to the abuse i'm only trying to tell people what happened at the time, !

I guess reading this thread one problem is the seemingly partial and slanted way you put it, almost as if you have a bias against the gardaí and are delighted to report an incident which you claim shows them in a bad light. This coupled with your reluctance to actually do something about it, and why you chose to stop the video so early and not show the abuse you claim they indulged in, makes it a little hard to believe you were an unbiased observer.

Additionally, we have no idea what events led up to this scene. It would seem unlikely that the gardaí just picked this guy out at random to indulge in some sort of fetish for making people take off their trousers in public. Or is that what you believe was the most likely explanation?

Jay D

I'd well believe this.

Having grown up in the city I know only too well the sort of mentality thesepeople have coming to Dublin.

Completely abusive and I only hope you have longer footage.

the locust

Public searches are not a breach of human rights. Fair enough to strip naked for a search - yes that should be done in a station.

But don't know whats going on there, Gardai frequently have to shout at people, you can see the man put something that looks like trousers but could be a jacket or something on the ground.

Jay D

jawlie wrote: »

Additionally, we have no idea what events led up to this scene. It would seem unlikely that the gardaí just picked this guy out at random to indulge in some sort of fetish for making people take off their trousers in public. Or is that what you believe was the most likely explanation?

Do you work for them or something? I don't know anywhere in Ireland where it is acceptable either morally or legally to have someone take their trousers off on the street.

dayo41

yes maybe your right, but regartless what da guy done i still dont think its right to take anyones clothes off in public they should have simply brought the man to the station to carry out there search

dayo41

Jay D wrote: »

I'd well believe this.

Having grown up in the city I know only too well the sort of mentality thesepeople have coming to Dublin.

Completely abusive and I only hope you have longer footage.

thanks jay glade someone knows what da cops are capable of, unfortunately i dont have anymore footage my stupit ass phone ran out of memory

jawlie

Jay D wrote: »

Do you work for them or something? I don't know anywhere in Ireland where it is acceptable either morally or legally to have someone take their trousers off on the street.

lol - yes, as soon as I pressed the button, I knew someone was going to do the old you-must-work-for-the-gardaí routine. Even if I did, (which I don't), maybe you could address the substance rather than attack me personally?

How do you know they were his trousers? How do you know the gardaí made him take them off? How do you know they were not a spare pair he was carrying and had just stolen? How do you know they were trousers at all? How do you know what happened that led up to these events? Would you rather there were no gardaí on the streets? Would you rather what happend which led up to these events want unchecked by gardai and law and order on the streets was left to all of us to fend for ourselves without the help of the gardaí?

WHy can't you construct some sort of argument rather than just tell someone else their argument is suspect becasue you imagine , wrongly, that they work for the gardai?

zAbbo

If this guy was a random white Dublin native, would you have an issue?

I'm glad the fuzz are out there in the early morning following up & questioning the bad guys (or potential bad guys).

Ok, so you don't have a huge amount on camera, but maybe some examples of what was said.

Asking him what the capital of Congo/Zaire is, doesn't equate to racial abuse.

dayo41

zabbo wrote: »

If this guy was a random white Dublin native, would you have an issue?

I'm glad the fuzz are out there in the early morning following up & questioning the bad guys (or potential bad guys).

Ok, so you don't have a huge amount on camera, but maybe some examples of what was said.

Asking him what the capital of Congo/Zaire is, doesn't equate to racial abuse.

racial or not to hear the cop scream into his face "your a ****ing lair" seemed petty abusive to me

dayo41

zabbo wrote: »

If this guy was a random white Dublin native, would you have an issue?

I'm glad the fuzz are out there in the early morning following up & questioning the bad guys (or potential bad guys).

Ok, so you don't have a huge amount on camera, but maybe some examples of what was said.

Asking him what the capital of Congo/Zaire is, doesn't equate to racial abuse.

and in regards to whether it was an irish boy or not dosen't matter they took his pants off in da street, maybe if it was an irish guy you would be able to see his white irish legs better in da footage

dRNk SAnTA

Dayo if what you're saying is true then please do properly report it to the garda ombudsman. It doesn't matter that your footage isn't the best.

Anyways, since when did it become necessary to have a full video of an event before anyone will believe that it actually happened... :rolleyes:

dayo41

zabbo wrote: »

If this guy was a random white Dublin native, would you have an issue?

I'm glad the fuzz are out there in the early morning following up & questioning the bad guys (or potential bad guys).

Ok, so you don't have a huge amount on camera, but maybe some examples of what was said.

Asking him what the capital of Congo/Zaire is, doesn't equate to racial abuse.

dRNk SAnTA wrote: »

Dayo if what you're saying is true then please do properly report it to the garda ombudsman. It doesn't matter that your footage isn't the best.

Anyways, since when did it become necessary to have a full video of an event before anyone will believe that it actually happened... :rolleyes:

thanks mate, i will be reporting it. was just looking for feedback from the general irish public. to my amazement it seems that i am being called a liar by some folk!

Chucky the tree

dayo41 wrote: »

racial or not to hear the cop scream into his face "your a ****ing lair" seemed petty abusive to me

So calling someone a liar is racist now?

zAbbo

Quoting me 3 times, and I still haven't seen a cohesive argument of what you're trying to put forward to the 'general public'.

Perhaps it would be better served to report the incident instead of ranting here / uploading blurry videos to youtube.

I'm not exactly calling you a liar, but you're hardly covering youself in glory with the sequence of muddled posts which don't seem to have any clear direction.

curiousxxx1

Mairt wrote: »

Why would it not surprise you?.

Btw, did you get a taxi ok tonight or wanna play the race card in this thread too?.

A bit touché are we?
Right... No race card, but i have witnessed a Garda official actually harassing someone (Kerry lad) black or white it wouldn't surprise me...

And as for getting a cab last night, I took the night link!

mikemac

dayo41 wrote: »

... but you can see the copper put the mans jeans on the ground to me i think is a breach of human rights, would you let a gard or anyone for that matter to take your jeans off in public? i think not!

Oh please, a breach of human rights :rolleyes:
This is Dublin, not Darfur.

For all you know this guy could have a knife in his pocket.
People complain about a lack of garda presence on the streets and then complain if they stop and search someone.
Call me naive but I trust the gardaí to do their job and if some scumbag gets humiliated or a few digs, then fair play to the gardaí.


And if they go too far, they there are procedures to deal with this.

"your a ****ing lair"
And how is that racist?

Now bring on the PC brigade to tear my post to shreds.

delta_bravo

It looks like the garda is searching for something in the trousers. I would say if he felt there was a dangerous item in there, it would be more advisable to ask the suspect to remove his trousers rather than search him and run the risk of injuring oneself. Anyway, the embarassment might teach him to cop on. Im sure he came to the attention of the gardai for some reason.

spurious

delta_bravo wrote: »

Im sure he came to the attention of the gardai for some reason.

That's a very dangerous attitude to have, if you think about it.

delta_bravo

spurious wrote: »

That's a very dangerous attitude to have, if you think about it.

Well i would find it unusual for a garda to be talking to a member of public in the dead of night for no reason. That is the attitude i would have

Nevyn

delta_bravo wrote: »

Well i would find it unusual for a garda to be talking to a member of public in the dead of night for no reason. That is the attitude i would have

It happens.

A person could done nothing wrong what so ever and there could be a heap of reasons why they have been stopped which have nothing to do with improper conduct on thier behalf.

Garda should be active in the community and it is wrong to assume a person talking with garda has done something wrong, esp as it means people won't engage with the garda for fear of people thinking that.

Degsy

Its amazing really,the cops stop a black p[erson and its considered racist by somebody who had no clue what was going on.Did it not occur to the OP that the bloke might have commited an offence perhaps?With the amount of braindead PC cretins going around the place the cops would have to think very carefully before they decided to randomly racially abuse somebody.

arybvtcw0eolkf

curiousxxx1 wrote: »

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And as for getting a cab last night, I took the night link!

Ah cool, glad you took my advice from the other thread.

TheIrishGrover

Jay D wrote: »

I'd well believe this.

Having grown up in the city I know only too well the sort of mentality thesepeople have coming to Dublin.

Completely abusive and I only hope you have longer footage.

"these people have coming to Dublin" I take it you mean us boggers coming up from the sticks? Nice to see you don't have your own prejudices

boneless

delta_bravo wrote: »

Well i would find it unusual for a garda to be talking to a member of public in the dead of night for no reason. That is the attitude i would have

I have been stopped and searched illegally, been handcuffed while thrown to the ground and have had beatings from Garda in Dublin in my youth... I'm 41 years of age now... because I gave an address which the Garda decided was a "dodgy" area... so you will know why I believe the original poster on this one. Leopards don't change their spots, so I can believe there are bad eggs still in the uniform of the guardians of peace in Dublin.

miju

boneless wrote: »

I have been stopped and searched illegally

define searched illegaly

howaya

I'm with jawlie and delta_bravo on this -

There are so many worse things to wake you from your sleep than the cops doing their job.

I think you're doing yourself and the cops a disservice by linking the youtube clip to your commentary, as it doesn't substantiate any mis-conduct.

[ps - neither I, nor anyone I personally know, work for the Gardai]

Degsy

howaya wrote: »

I'm with jawlie and delta_bravo on this -

There are so many worse things to wake you from your sleep than the cops doing their job.

I think you're doing yourself and the cops a disservice by linking the youtube clip to your commentary, as it doesn't substantiate any mis-conduct.

[ps - neither I, nor anyone I personally know, work for the Gardai]

The youtube thing is complete rubbish,it doesnt show ANYTHING,much less harrasment,if anything the title could be libelous.Get a grip on yourself OP and mind your own business.

dayo41

Degsy wrote: »

The youtube thing is complete rubbish,it doesnt show ANYTHING,much less harrasment,if anything the title could be libelous.Get a grip on yourself OP and mind your own business.

cop on you muppet!

BendiBus

TheIrishGrover wrote: »

"these people have coming to Dublin" I take it you mean us boggers coming up from the sticks? Nice to see you don't have your own prejudices

Kintarō Hattori

dayo41 wrote: »

cop on you muppet!

Now now, there's no need to go calling people names, it doesn't help your case at all.

boneless

miju wrote: »

define searched illegaly

Carried out in malice and with violence...

Rebeller

miju wrote: »

sure why would they be violent towards someone they were trying to search unless you were resisting which wouldn't really be their fault.


as for malice :rolleyes:

Admittedly the "footage" posted by the OP on youtube is not proof or evidence of anything (apart form suggesting that if the OP wants a career in film he should remain in front of the camera:D)

However, why is it so hard for people to believe that there are a significant minority of gardai who abuse their powers, treat the public with contempt and show utter disregard for their uniform?

Is Ireland somehow unique in that every member of our police service carries out their duties in a legal and ethical manner and that corruption, intimidation of the public and incompetence within the force are unheard of?

Have ye forgotten:

Frank Shortt (Donegal publican)

Nicky Kelly and the Sallins Train Robbery

The Dean Lyons case

The Kerry Babies case

and most recently, and still ongoing, The Morris Tribunal?

in addition to numerous instances of compensation being awarded to members of the public for abuse of power by individual gardai.

There are major problems in a number of professions and state bodies in Ireland. Unless we are willing to admit to such problems we have no hope of routing out the "bad apples", reforming the organisations concerned and ensuring that no individual can get away with abusing the powers conferred on him/her by the state. Corruption, abuse and incompetence within any organisation benefits no-one except for those perpetrating it. Good, professional, committed gardai have nothing to fear from oversight of their day to day professional activities.

jawlie

Rebeller wrote: »

Admittedly the "footage" posted by the OP on youtube is not proof or evidence of anything (apart form suggesting that if the OP wants a career in film he should remain in front of the camera:D)

However, why is it so hard for people to believe that there are a significant minority of gardai who abuse their powers, treat the public with contempt and show utter disregard for their uniform?
.

Is it not possible to believe that there are a number of gardaí who abuse their powers, treat the public with contempt etc, and still think the OP here seems to be jumping the gun as he has no idea what happened beforehand?

Is your argument that, because there are some corrupt gardaí and because some gardaí have been proved to be corrupt, that we should not examine every case in its merits and on the evidence before us?

The evidence supplied by what the OP has written here seems to indicate that he has a personal bias against the gardaí. He seems to object to conjecture to any possibility that the gardaí that he saw were doing anything other than abusing another man’s rights. He may be right, he may not. The fact that he has rushed to assume the gardaí are in the wrong here merely confirms his own prejudices and weakens the point he is trying to make.

kkposse

Is the OP for real? that utube is a joke! The gardai are just doing their job let them get on with it, fair play to them, dublin city centre needs some law & order its gone beyond a joke now, every tourist is amazed by the amount of scumbags & junkies hanging about the city centre causing trouble, annoying people :mad:

johnnyrotten

Nothing to see hear

boneless

miju wrote: »

sure why would they be violent towards someone they were trying to search unless you were resisting which wouldn't really be their fault.


as for malice :rolleyes:

You would have to experience it I think. :rolleyes: You don't have to resist to be battered... certain Garda in the A District were well known for being brutish towards people because of where these people lived. I think that constitutes malice.

Why do many here find it hard to believe that Garda abuse the power they have invested in them? Having said that, I have encountered many decent Garda but the rotten ones tend to bias you. Yes, I admit to a certain bias!!

eroo

i find it incredibly annoying when people go 'ohhh donegal'.that was years ago.the Gardai have,currently are and will continue to change.the old methods of 'a few slaps' are on the way out!

OP actually tell us what they said.they could've been asking him for the capital because he could've been lying.remember there are illegal immigrants who will pretend they are from a country where Ireland has/is accepting asylum seekers.
just give us the details of exactly what they said please,otherwise take the vid of youtube as its only libelling them if not..

howaya

"Have ye forgotten: ..."

Not at all. Nobody is denying that the Gardai have been guilty of harassment and mis-treatment of people in the past.

- Just not in this case, IMO, based on the OP's clip and description.

Martyr

eroo wrote:

i find it incredibly annoying when people go 'ohhh donegal'.that was years ago.

yes, the good old days..
when we had a corrupt force, they were able to maintain most law/order to a better degree than today.

anybody being anti-social, got a good beatin at the barracks, and the victim behaved themselves in future.
now, the place is just let run wild and nobody cares about the gardai.

my friend was stabbed one night, and gardai were a few hundred feet away, never did anything.
people gettin attacked on the street while gardai just stood and watched.
there was a couple of lads took a bad beating on the street one night, gardai just walked on.

they're pretty useless, tbh, and if i had a problem, they'd probably be the last people i call.

eroo

good for you..