how much should a raise be?

Package

ok, heres the story

ive been working in my job for almost 3 years now and have been on the same rate as when i started untill recently. im a hard worker and i do my job a jot better than some of the others i work with. im not sure what rate others are on but im almost sure its the same or more as myself.

so i asked for a raise, i got one,, but only by 1e per hour, plus, ive taken on a bit more responsability too, a step up the ladder if you like.

now heres my thinking. not only should you get a raise to compensate for inflation, but if i work twice as hard as others on the same rate and also take on more responsability. what do you guys think the raise should be. surley more than one euro per hour???

let me know what you think as my actions will be based on you

:cool:

Outer Bongolia

That sounds very poor for a raise. Stingy bastards. You should look into getting a job where they appreciate you more.

Hawk Eye

3x

Package

yeah i was thinking that myself. the apreciation level seems to be a bit down..

3x ?? 3e?

Imposter

1€ an hour is almost 2k a year if you work about 40 hours a week.

leeroybrown

How could we even start to guess how much your raise should be...

As Imposter says it's an increase of almost €2k a year to begin with. We don't know what you do, how much you earn, what your increase in responsibility is, etc. You could just have a shop floor job for a poor employer in the retail sector for all we know. All I could suggest that after three years and additional responsibility it might be a bit low.

If your employer knows that you're working harder than others, taking on more responsibility than others and they're not really rewarding you then I'd suggest waiting until you have built up sufficient experience and finding a better job.

Package

well im on a half decent wage. im a barman in a pub/restaurant in which we have to do both running around with food and drinks. its hard work. im doing barwork nearly 13 years now.

its a general thing, should people get a raise every year? should people get more that an 8% raise per year.?

digitally-yours

here is the link for salary survey

Value ur self

If you are hard working you should be getting at least the mentioned salary if not more

http://www.recruitireland.com/careercentre/info/salarysurvey_hotel.asp

Santa Claus

3% a year raise was the minimum i ever got, but then as any publican will tell you "there's no money in pubs anymore" (at least that's what my mates dad who owns a few pubs says....the poor man is driving a 3 year olf merc ffs:D)

[Jackass]

around 5%-10% a year

nesf

Package wrote: »

its a general thing, should people get a raise every year? should people get more that an 8% raise per year.?

More than 8% generally? No. There are definitely cases where a worker deserves the minimum (ie they don't do any more work than the minimum and they aren't doing anything a new person couldn't do as well).

It all depends hugely on whether you're doing the same job year on year. If the type of work you're handling changes (ie you're getting more critical/important stuff), if you're taking on more responsibility, managing people, in a job where experience counts for a lot and where experienced people are worth more to a company etc then you could expect a bigger increase than someone in a relatively static job where nothing (including productivity) has changed awfully much over time. You can add in union factors in here though (ie it could be a fixed increase over time for people regardless of how good they are at their jobs).

Tiesto

its barwork.
You are never gonna make a fortune doing it..
did it myself for a few years..
For the hard work, bad hours and crap money, it simply aint worth it

boa-constrictor

Here's a plan that will make short work of all the negotiating and crap (and its fair);

Apply for a similar job with another company. See what they will pay you and ask for a raise to that amount. If your boss says no, leave.

Its undeniably fair as you are only asking for what the market is paying, no more and no less. Its just a handy side affect of this method that it puts you in a stronger negotiating position and gives you the confidence to speak your mind.

You might think this is too confrontational but believe me that crap about 'Blessed are the meek' only works in the Bible - in real life the meek get treated like sh*te and paid less for more effort.

Package

hey people,, now this is why i love boards, thanks for the advice. youve helped a lot.

"there's no money in pubs anymore" wrong, we are making a fortune and are making twice as much money this year as we did last year. which i suppose is another factor.

"if you're taking on more responsibility" yeah this is true

and boa, thats a great piece of advice,,, thatnks, ill do that

AARRRGH

Your employer doesn't have to give you a raise. It's up to you if you stay and tolerate it, or if you walk...

Most multinationals (and that kind of thing) normally have some kind of procedure, e.g. in your review if you're rated as "Outstanding" you get a 5% raise, etc.

Santa Claus

Package wrote: »

"there's no money in pubs anymore" wrong, we are making a fortune and are making twice as much money this year as we did last year. which i suppose is another factor.

Package, my comment was laced with heavy amounts of sarcasm. As I said my mates dad who owns a few pubs says this while he drives round in a top of the range merc which he changes every 2 or 3 years and his wife has a new Range rover every year !

Package

lol,, sorry santa. i did skim over that one. please still bring me the house/car/perfect woman/easy life i asked for christmas?

How Strange

As another poster said, in multinationals the increases are in line with inflation so max 5%. Most would get 3.5%, 4.5% to retain good staff. It's not very much but that seems to be the industry standard in multinationals.

Having said that some benchmark as well to retain experienced staff who may be penalised by this incremental increase by having stayed in the job too long i.e someone who came in years after may be on a higher salary but with less experience.

This may be the case with the OP. I think realistically, people are penalised for staying long term in jobs rather than being rewarded. If the OP moved to another bar he may get 4-5k increase.

Package

ive decided not to say anything and look for another job in the same field at a higher level. ive full confidence in myself that i can "walk" into "good" jobs in this area as i have done before to keep up my moral.

when i get offered a job at a higher salary ill decide what to do then. thanks everyone for the advice

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