BSOOP 2007 Event # 6 Constrained Hold Them

LuckyLloyd

Tournament # 61587589. Password "HighVariance". Open client --> Go to Tournament Tab --> Go to Private sub tab.

If I win my third straight Hold Them tournament in a row for this series I will boast a lot. So, you might want to prevent that.

The Al Lad

Dam... just started a thread about this on the other forum.....:(

I'm in

FungiWalsh

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Tournament # 61587589. Password "HighVariance". Open client --> Go to Tournament Tab --> Go to Private sub tab.

If I win my third straight Hold Them tournament in a row for this series I will boast a lot. So, you might want to prevent that.

Well, if you start boasting, we'll just bring up your performance in the Razz tourney again. :P

mewso

The time of these tourneys would help those hard of remembering like me.

DeadParrot

8pm for the short of memory

LuckyLloyd

FungiWalsh wrote: »

Well, if you start boasting, we'll just bring up your performance in the Razz tourney again. :P

Stupid game Razz. That's all I'm saying.

RasTa

lollol fish, I miss bops

Dealt to winstonia [Kh Kc]
tmck: folds
winstonia: raises 50 to 70
ChemicalAlly: folds
KKcardcooler: folds
8fox8: calls 70
FlushdrawIRE: calls 60
TiltedMonkey: calls 50
*** FLOP *** [3d 5c 2s]
FlushdrawIRE: checks
winstonia said, "agressive moves"
TiltedMonkey: checks
winstonia: bets 280
8fox8: raises 630 to 910 and is all-in
FlushdrawIRE: folds
TiltedMonkey: folds
winstonia: calls 630
*** TURN *** [3d 5c 2s] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [3d 5c 2s 6s] [Qs]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
winstonia: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
8fox8: shows [5s As] (a flush, Ace high)
8fox8 collected 2100 from pot
winstonia said, "lol"
winstonia said, "now thats sick"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2100 | Rake 0
Board [3d 5c 2s 6s Qs]
Seat 1: TiltedMonkey (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: tmck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: winstonia showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 5: ChemicalAlly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: KKcardcooler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 8fox8 (button) showed [5s As] and won (2100) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE (small blind) folded on the Flop

Juan Pablo

lol I get in late and busto after one hand!

RasTa

lol that was boring, slowrolled by QQ also!

Mellor

name and shame, stick them on the wall of slowrollers

RasTa

Mellor wrote: »

name and shame, stick them on the wall of slowrollers

Nah it wasn't a slowroll just a bit too much thought for my manic style. Playing a lot of cash lately so these tourney's are great for blowing off some steam.

digiman

PokerStars Game #12663956748: Tournament #61587589, $10+$1 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/10/16 - 15:30:29 (ET)
Table '61587589 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: TiltedMonkey (1965 in chips)
Seat 2: pauricm (2795 in chips)
Seat 3: tmck (3380 in chips)
Seat 4: ianiebops (1155 in chips)
Seat 6: lofarrell (2020 in chips)
Seat 7: KKcardcooler (3300 in chips)
Seat 8: 8fox8 (2055 in chips)
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE (875 in chips)
TiltedMonkey: posts small blind 25
pauricm: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pauricm [7d 4h]
tmck: folds
ianiebops: folds
lofarrell: folds
KKcardcooler: folds
8fox8: folds
FlushdrawIRE: folds
tmck said, "bops has woken up"
ianiebops said, "hello girls"
TiltedMonkey: raises 100 to 150
ianiebops said, "hiya hspur"
pauricm: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [2d 6c 8h]
TiltedMonkey: bets 220
pauricm: calls 220
*** TURN *** [2d 6c 8h] [3s]
ianiebops said, "still asleep im afraid"
tmck said, "u outlasted so many players in the razz bops, becuase u were so lucky u *never* had the bring in"
TiltedMonkey: bets 480
tmck said, "u had 600+ chips when other no shows got eliminated"
pauricm: calls 480
*** RIVER *** [2d 6c 8h 3s]
ianiebops said, "lol sweet i was wonderin"
TiltedMonkey: checks
ianiebops said, "thats how good i am!"
pauricm: bets 850
tmck said, "still scared of u"
TiltedMonkey said, "ill"
lofarrell said, "hero call"
lofarrell said, "hero call"
tmck said, "79 hamman slow roll"
ianiebops said, "wuzz"
TiltedMonkey: folds
lofarrell said, "Best live player in dub"
ianiebops said, "lol"
pauricm collected 1700 from pot
pauricm: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Board [2d 6c 8h 3s Td]
Seat 1: TiltedMonkey (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: pauricm (big blind) collected (1700)
Seat 3: tmck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ianiebops folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lofarrell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: KKcardcooler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 8fox8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Man I was sure you were calling when you let that clock roll down, QQ?

Edited: To say TiltedMoneky

LuckyLloyd

Cash game players >>>>>>>>> Tournament players. Hawk Eye correctly induced some madness bundled me over the line AA > AQo AIPF. Nh sir.

DeadParrot

Rooney_Dives is a sick sick luckbox
22>QQ apparently

HalfBaked

digiman wrote: »

PokerStars Game #12663956748: Tournament #61587589, $10+$1 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/10/16 - 15:30:29 (ET)
Table '61587589 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: TiltedMonkey (1965 in chips)
Seat 2: pauricm (2795 in chips)
Seat 3: tmck (3380 in chips)
Seat 4: ianiebops (1155 in chips)
Seat 6: lofarrell (2020 in chips)
Seat 7: KKcardcooler (3300 in chips)
Seat 8: 8fox8 (2055 in chips)
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE (875 in chips)
TiltedMonkey: posts small blind 25
pauricm: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pauricm [7d 4h]
tmck: folds
ianiebops: folds
lofarrell: folds
KKcardcooler: folds
8fox8: folds
FlushdrawIRE: folds
tmck said, "bops has woken up"
ianiebops said, "hello girls"
TiltedMonkey: raises 100 to 150
ianiebops said, "hiya hspur"
pauricm: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [2d 6c 8h]
TiltedMonkey: bets 220
pauricm: calls 220
*** TURN *** [2d 6c 8h] [3s]
ianiebops said, "still asleep im afraid"
tmck said, "u outlasted so many players in the razz bops, becuase u were so lucky u *never* had the bring in"
TiltedMonkey: bets 480
tmck said, "u had 600+ chips when other no shows got eliminated"
pauricm: calls 480
*** RIVER *** [2d 6c 8h 3s]
ianiebops said, "lol sweet i was wonderin"
TiltedMonkey: checks
ianiebops said, "thats how good i am!"
pauricm: bets 850
tmck said, "still scared of u"
TiltedMonkey said, "ill"
lofarrell said, "hero call"
lofarrell said, "hero call"
tmck said, "79 hamman slow roll"
ianiebops said, "wuzz"
TiltedMonkey: folds
lofarrell said, "Best live player in dub"
ianiebops said, "lol"
pauricm collected 1700 from pot
pauricm: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1700 | Rake 0
Board [2d 6c 8h 3s Td]
Seat 1: TiltedMonkey (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 2: pauricm (big blind) collected (1700)
Seat 3: tmck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ianiebops folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lofarrell folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: KKcardcooler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 8fox8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Man I was sure you were calling when you let that clock roll down, QQ?

Edited: To say TiltedMoneky

Lol nice hand. I had A high, just couldn't bring myself to call. Figured you had 57 or 79, not the gutshot draw.

FungiWalsh

Nice...

PokerStars Game #12664650781: Tournament #61587589, $10+$1 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/16 - 16:05:59 (ET)
Table '61587589 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DarraghW (1555 in chips)
Seat 2: pauricm (3145 in chips)
Seat 3: flynns5 (540 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: NoelHayes (1620 in chips)
Seat 6: LuckySparky (3130 in chips)
Seat 7: KKcardcooler (7860 in chips)
Seat 8: 8fox8 (1780 in chips)
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE (3300 in chips)
pauricm: posts small blind 75
flynns5: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DarraghW [Qh As]
NoelHayes: folds
LuckySparky: raises 375 to 525
KKcardcooler: calls 525
8fox8: folds
FlushdrawIRE: folds
DarraghW: raises 1030 to 1555 and is all-in
pauricm: folds
flynns5: folds
LuckySparky: folds
KKcardcooler: calls 1030
*** FLOP *** [Qs 3s 2d]
NoelHayes said, "mayhem descends all around"
*** TURN *** [Qs 3s 2d] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 3s 2d 4d] [5h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
KKcardcooler: shows [5d 6d] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
DarraghW: shows [Qh As] (a straight, Ace to Five)
KKcardcooler collected 3860 from pot
KKcardcooler said, "ul"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3860 | Rake 0
Board [Qs 3s 2d 4d 5h]
Seat 1: DarraghW (button) showed [Qh As] and lost with a straight, Ace to Five
Seat 2: pauricm (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: flynns5 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: NoelHayes folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: LuckySparky folded before Flop
Seat 7: KKcardcooler showed [5d 6d] and won (3860) with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 8: 8fox8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FlushdrawIRE folded before Flop (didn't bet)

And to make matters worse, LuckSparky says he folded 44

Flushdraw

QQ into AA..standard

mdwexford

Ugh, stationed it on the river in anger!!!

PokerStars Game #12664926099: Tournament #61587589, $10+$1 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/16 - 16:19:53 (ET)
Table '61587589 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Sumoward (5225 in chips)
Seat 2: ianmc999 (1845 in chips)
Seat 7: cuterob (3720 in chips)
Seat 8: handsome gus (1695 in chips)
Seat 9: mdwexford (2665 in chips)
mdwexford: posts small blind 75
Sumoward: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mdwexford [9c Th]
ianmc999: folds
cuterob: folds
handsome gus: folds
mdwexford: calls 75
Sumoward: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kh Js]
mdwexford: checks
Sumoward: bets 150
mdwexford: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Qs Kh Js] [7d]
mdwexford: checks
Sumoward: bets 450
mdwexford: raises 600 to 1050
Sumoward: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Qs Kh Js 7d] [Ts]
mdwexford: checks
Sumoward: bets 900
mdwexford said, "so sick]"
NoelHayes is connected
HOWTOBEDEAD is connected
LuckySparky is connected
KKcardcooler is connected
mdwexford: calls 900
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sumoward: shows [8s Ks] (a flush, King high)
mdwexford: shows [9c Th] (a straight, Nine to King)
NoelHayes said, "aha - a more favourable seat draw on this table"
Sumoward collected 4500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4500 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Kh Js 7d Ts]
Seat 1: Sumoward (big blind) showed [8s Ks] and won (4500) with a flush, King high
Seat 2: ianmc999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cuterob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: handsome gus (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mdwexford (small blind) showed [9c Th] and lost with a straight, Nine to King

cuterob

busted in 9th..i thought the big stack was bullying me..as per usual i was wrong lol

yea that was a sick hand md

Captain Tom

bah missed another one. im starting to think i might not run away with this as easily as i first anticipated. at least i also had fun tonight. and by fun i of course mean freezing my boll*cks off while losing 1-0 to a bunch of dirty bastards. playing left back nontheless. oh the shame of it all.

phantom_lord

digiman wrote: »

Man I was sure you were calling when you let that clock roll down, QQ?

???

sumoward

mdwexford wrote: »

Ugh, stationed it on the river in anger!!!

PokerStars Game #12664926099: Tournament #61587589, $10+$1 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/10/16 - 16:19:53 (ET)
Table '61587589 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Sumoward (5225 in chips)
Seat 2: ianmc999 (1845 in chips)
Seat 7: cuterob (3720 in chips)
Seat 8: handsome gus (1695 in chips)
Seat 9: mdwexford (2665 in chips)
mdwexford: posts small blind 75
Sumoward: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mdwexford [9c Th]
ianmc999: folds
cuterob: folds
handsome gus: folds
mdwexford: calls 75
Sumoward: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs Kh Js]
mdwexford: checks
Sumoward: bets 150
mdwexford: calls 150
*** TURN *** [Qs Kh Js] [7d]
mdwexford: checks
Sumoward: bets 450
mdwexford: raises 600 to 1050
Sumoward: calls 600
*** RIVER *** [Qs Kh Js 7d] [Ts]
mdwexford: checks
Sumoward: bets 900
mdwexford said, "so sick]"
NoelHayes is connected
HOWTOBEDEAD is connected
LuckySparky is connected
KKcardcooler is connected
mdwexford: calls 900
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Sumoward: shows [8s Ks] (a flush, King high)
mdwexford: shows [9c Th] (a straight, Nine to King)
NoelHayes said, "aha - a more favourable seat draw on this table"
Sumoward collected 4500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4500 | Rake 0
Board [Qs Kh Js 7d Ts]
Seat 1: Sumoward (big blind) showed [8s Ks] and won (4500) with a flush, King high
Seat 2: ianmc999 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: cuterob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: handsome gus (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: mdwexford (small blind) showed [9c Th] and lost with a straight, Nine to King

sorry

mdwexford

No need for apologies, i wouldnt expect anyone to fold your hand, im surprised the money didnt all get in sooner, cant believe i got out of the hand with some chips.

BigCityBanker

sumoward wrote: »

sorry

just a quick question.

I raise preflop and CR you on an A high flop telling you "i want your stack" and you call with 10 10 - what range of hands did you put me on to make the call? Or was there something in my betting patterns? Im curious..

Wd on the victory btw, well played - at one point on the FT I thought you were goosed but you fought back well.

ditpoker

BigCityBanker wrote: »

I raise preflop and CR you on an A high flop telling you "i want your stack" and you call with 10 10 - what range of hands did you put me on to make the call? Or was there something in my betting patterns? Im curious..

pwned!!

Flushdraw

mdwexford wrote: »

No need for apologies, i wouldnt expect anyone to fold your hand, im surprised the money didnt all get in sooner, cant believe i got out of the hand with some chips.

it was a pretty loose call on the river when any ace was also beating you....you could have saved yourself an extra 900

BigCityBanker

ditpoker wrote: »

pwned!!

clearly, but i remain genuinely curious as to the basis of the call.

White Knight

BigCityBanker wrote: »

i remain genuinely curious as to the basis of the call.

I would not question it too much Noel - nothing to do with your game i'm thinking. Sumo flat called with quads(nuts) in position on the river at the IPO :eek:

mdwexford

Flushdraw wrote: »

it was a pretty loose call on the river when any ace was also beating you....you could have saved yourself an extra 900

Sssh you!!!

mdwexford wrote: »

Ugh, stationed it on the river in anger!!!

See i knew

sumoward

BigCityBanker wrote: »

just a quick question.

I raise preflop and CR you on an A high flop telling you "i want your stack" and you call with 10 10 - what range of hands did you put me on to make the call? Or was there something in my betting patterns? Im curious..

Wd on the victory btw, well played - at one point on the FT I thought you were goosed but you fought back well.

It was your betting patern.

I had a conversation with Oz last week. He laid out a scenario highlighting the necessity of knowing what you will do if you bet out and your reraised.

You had done something similar to me earlier and made me fold an ok hand and I thought I bet he reraises my bet here. I also considered that you might think I was overcautious and could be easily pushed off a hand. I decided I was calling you if this was the case.

I only really feared an ace and was willing to go out to it if you had it and decided to play it that way. I didnt think you had any of paired part of the board.

BigCityBanker

sumoward wrote: »

It was your betting patern.

I had a conversation with Oz last week. He laid out a scenario highlighting the necessity of knowing what you will do if you bet out and your reraised.

You had done something similar to me earlier and made me fold an ok hand and I thought I bet he reraises my bet here. I also considered that you might think I was overcautious and could be easily pushed off a hand. I decided I was calling you if this was the case.

I only really feared an ace and was willing to go out to it if you had it and decided to play it that way. I didnt think you had any of paired part of the board.

I find your post really confusing and not all together coherent.

Anyway my question remains what range of hands do you consider I raise preflop with that I check raise you on the flop with to make it a good play by you with 10 10 for your tournament life? Go back and take a look at the hand history and I feel you will struggle to assign a range against which your call with 10 10 is profitable. Also FWIW I think you should be 3 betting me preflop alot of the time.

Edit - outline my betting pattern and why it should make a difference. I CR you for 225 short of your entire stack so for you to continue with the hand you should know its all going in there at some point. A CRAI is effectively the exact same as a CR for the amount ive bet.

sumoward

BigCityBanker wrote: »

I find your post really confusing and not all together coherent.

Anyway my question remains what range of hands do you consider I raise preflop with that I check raise you on the flop with to make it a good play by you with 10 10 for your tournament life? Go back and take a look at the hand history and I feel you will struggle to assign a range against which your call with 10 10 is profitable. Also FWIW I think you should be 3 betting me preflop alot of the time.

Edit - outline my betting pattern and why it should make a difference. I CR you for 225 short of your entire stack so for you to continue with the hand you should know its all going in there at some point. A CRAI is effectively the exact same as a CR for the amount ive bet.

Sorry for the lack of coherence, typing it up while at work. In general I thought I played the hand poorly.

Go back and take a look at the hand history and I feel you will struggle to assign a range against which your call with 10 10 is profitable.

This is true, I was paying more attention to the fact it was you and the way the previous hand had played out rather than putting you on a specific hand.

Foremost in my mind was the belief that you would consider me easy to push of a hand. I would probably have folded to another player.:D

Also FWIW I think you should be 3 betting me preflop alot of the time.

Yes in the last week or so I have been avoiding doing this with decent hands and i cant figure out why, a bad habit i have picked up and intend to drop.

I CR you for 225 short of your entire stack so for you to continue with the hand you should know its all going in there at some point. A CRAI is effectively the exact same as a CR for the amount ive bet

Yes, I dont even know why i held back 225 when I decided to call. As i say I wasnt overly happy how I played.

I wonder if you were giving me too much credit in how I would read your play. I probably wasnt considering it deeply enough.

I will look up the hand but i think the flop was A88 or similar.

When you raised me my thoughts as far as I recall them were ...

Noel wants to push me of this hand.

Does he have an Ace, maybe.

Why didnt he bet out

does he have an 8, probably not, i dont think he would play it that way.

Does he have a pair better than mine? mmmm no.. there are only 3 (if he had AA he doesnt play it like that)

Now the most important thing in all this is the one question I didnt ask myself What does Noel think I have?


bascially I jumbled all that about and came out with he is a chancer;) and doesnt have an Ace and I pressed call .

BigCityBanker

sumoward wrote: »

I will look up the hand but i think the flop was A88 or similar.

I dont think the board paired until the turn but im not 100% on this,

sumoward wrote: »

Why didnt he bet out

Because if I had an A in a heads up pot betting out would be bad on a dry boards because I am denying you the opportunity to bluff at the pot and I am therefore losing value.

sumoward

[QUOTE=BigCityBanker;54219644

Because if I had an A in a heads up pot betting out would be bad on a dry boards because I am denying you the opportunity to bluff at the pot and I am therefore losing value.[/QUOTE]

See I didnt even think of this:eek:

Flushdraw

This can be solved so easy....

BCB =

Sumoward =

Cant we all just get along

sumoward

Flushdraw wrote: »

This can be solved so easy....

BCB =

Sumoward =

Cant we all just get along

Great likness

sumoward

My one seems to be saying...but they were sooted...

Flushdraw

sumoward wrote: »

My one seems to be saying...but they were sooted...

lol