Wtf???

JohnMc1

Why is there Che Guevara posters plastered to walls here in Kilkenny? What kind of utter human garbage would praise and celebrate that murderer?

Nightwish

Something to do with the anniversary of his death or maybe its his birthday.

JohnMc1

Nightwish wrote: »

Something to do with the anniversary of his death or maybe its his birthday.

The problem is during the year i see people wearing Che Guevara T-shirts [sadly one of my cousins has one] I can't believe people would idolize that piece of ****. He was worse than the people he wanted to overthrow. I had a pen on me and wrote "F this murderer" Thankfully people were trying to tear them down.

Somewhere in Hell Sadam Hussein is sayin to Guevara "Who's your PR assitant? I want the liberal trash to remeber me as fondly as they rmemebr you."

Firetrap

It was the 40th anniversary of his death last week. Roll on the 50th :rolleyes:

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't get what the fuss is about. I think for a lot of youngsters, buying the Che Guevara t-shirt or poster is one of those hackneyed things they do during their teenage years. Most of them grow out of it when they get a bit of sense. I wonder is it the graphic image that's the attraction rather than the story of the man himself.

JohnMc1

Firetrap wrote: »

It was the 40th anniversary of his death last week. Roll on the 50th :rolleyes:

I'm glad I'm not the only person who doesn't get what the fuss is about. I think for a lot of youngsters, buying the Che Guevara t-shirt or poster is one of those hackneyed things they do during their teenage years. Most of them grow out of it when they get a bit of sense. I wonder is it the graphic image that's the attraction rather than the story of the man himself.

Thanks Firetrap. I thought I would be the only one against the glorification of this piece of garbage. I knew Ireland was full of liberals but I didn't think they were low enough to celebrate Che Guevara and treat him like he's some kind of hero and yet will villify George W. Bush for trying to protect the US.

Nightwish

Hey not all us liberals are Guevara lovers!

JohnMc1

Nightwish wrote: »

Hey not all us liberals are Guevara lovers!

Sorry for the overgeneraliztion Nightwish.

Firetrap

Why is it that liberals get tarred with all sort of brushes?

JohnMc1

Firetrap wrote: »

Why is it that liberals get tarred with all sort of brushes?

Because liberals like to think they know everything. A 2 minute search on wikipedia would tell them Guevara isn't this saint they are trying to make him out to be. Hell I just saw one idiot outside Dunnes wearing an Osama BinLaden t-shirt.

I was thinking to myself "Are Europeans that Anti-American that they will glorify even BinLaden?"

Nightwish

Ehhh generalisation there again!

JohnMc1

Nightwish wrote: »

Ehhh generalisation there again!

Sorry again Nightwish. I just can't for the life of understand why a grown man would want to wear a BinLaden T-shirt or a Guevara one [There was one at Church this morning wearing one and he was doing the offertory collections]

Hmm_Messiah

Personally I'd find your form of expression as irritating, if not more so , than what you chose to get all heated up about .

I can see you have many battles to fight so will leave you to it

JohnMc1

Oh No Messiah wants to play the holier than thou bit again. I wouldn't be surprised if you put some of those posters up considering in a thread a few months back you were defending Muslims.

I guarantee if Al-Quada or any Muslim groups flew planes into buildings here in Ireland you wouldn't be happy about an Irish man wearing an Osama t-shirt or any other Terrorist like Guevara either.

Just because the Irish govt want to play the nice guy doens't mean Ireland is safe. Not by a long shot.

Hmm_Messiah

laughable

delusional and paranoia springs to mind

I wouldn't be surprised if you put some of those posters up considering in a thread a few months back you were defending Muslims

You do understand Islam is a religion , and as such is as defendable as any other ? maybe you are confusing the small word muslim with more difficult long words like fundamentalist, or extremist, or terrorist?

You've already confused art and pop culture with politics etc.

I'd find wearing a Che t-shirts more understandable (iconic imagery and all that ) that those people who pay Nike/ Jack & Jones etc for clothing only to walk around like a free advertising billboard

JohnMc1

Hmm_Messiah wrote: »

You do understand Islam is a religion , and as such is as defendable as any other ? maybe you are confusing the small word muslim with more difficult long words like fundamentalist, or extremist, or terrorist?

Tell the families of victims of 9-11 that Muslims aren't terrorists and see what happens. I guarantee if there was a 9-11 here you would be singing a diffent tune.

You've already confused art and pop culture with politics etc.

I'd find wearing a Che t-shirts more understandable (iconic imagery and all that ) that those people who pay Nike/ Jack & Jones etc for clothing only to walk around like a free advertising billboard

This is laughable.a Guevara or BinLaden shirt is not art its being pure white trash. The idea of the comparing wearing clothing depicting the images of terroists to a NIke logo or clothing line logo is reaching in your defense.

Wake up and join us in the real world. Supporting people like that is disgusting and inexcusable.

sebastianlieken

tbh, i agree and think its rubbish that people celebrate che guavera so much. more than 50% think that just because they know hes a revolutionist and his l name is Ernesto, that they understand everything he did and everything he stood for. in my books, hes a false idol, and his ideology exists only because his name has become symbolized with rebellion, and therefore with "rebellious" little twats

JohnMc1

sebastianlieken wrote: »

tbh, i agree and think its rubbish that people celebrate che guavera so much. more than 50% think that just because they know hes a revolutionist and his l name is Ernesto, that they understand everything he did and everything he stood for. in my books, hes a false idol, and his ideology exists only because his name has become symbolized with rebellion, and therefore with "rebellious" little twats

Great post sebastian. Correct on all points.

JohnC.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Tell the families of victims of 9-11 that Muslims aren't terrorists and see what happens. I guarantee if there was a 9-11 here you would be singing a diffent tune.

So by that logic, Catholics are terrorists too. And Protestants. And probably every religion going as well as atheism, agnosticism, etc.

JohnMc1

I'm Laughing at the depths people here are stooping to too defend horrible behavior.

The bible does not demand its followers commit genocide. The korran does. Wake up people.

Stephen

Erm, do you want me to move this to the humanities forum? Or maybe politics, religion, etc etc?

Having spent some time living in a muslim country (and indeed some in Israel), I think tarring all muslims with the terrorist brush is utterly stupid. I say this as an atheist. I don't respect their religion or any other, but I respect their right to believe in whatever they want.

Cabaal

Stephen wrote: »

I think tarring all muslims with the terrorist brush is utterly stupid. I say this as an atheist. I don't respect their religion or any other, but I respect their right to believe in whatever they want.

Couldn't agree more, anyone that tars all muslins as terrorists is an ignorant bastard,

mad man

Cabaal wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, anyone that tars all muslins as terrorists is an ignorant bastard,

here here.

JohnC.

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The bible does not demand its followers commit genocide. The korran does. Wake up people.

Where does the Koran say this? In actual fact, the Koran expressly forbids the killing of innocents. And no, not just innocent Muslims, but others too.

JohnMc1

Stephen wrote: »

Having spent some time living in a muslim country (and indeed some in Israel), I think tarring all muslims with the terrorist brush is utterly stupid.

Its not. Nearly every terrorist attack that occurs is commited by Muslims. I cannot count how many times Mosques have been searched and bombs and guns were found. If Muslims don't like being tarred with the terrorist brush THEY need to change how everybody else views them.

Cabaal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Its not. Nearly every terrorist attack that occurs is commited by Muslims. I cannot count how many times Mosques have been searched and bombs and guns were found. If Muslims don't like being tarred with the terrorist brush THEY need to change how everybody else views them.

Hmmm...nearly all bomb attacks in Northern Ireland during the troubles were committed by Catholics, if Catholics don't like being searched everytime or treated like **** by the english when they go across the border, fly or get the boat to the UK then Catholics need to change the way people view them.

Now what problems do we see with the above comparison?

Ah yes, a small group of people causes the issue, so because of this we end up with lots of ignorant bastards taring all that religion/people the same.....fair...of course not, but its what ignorant bastards do

Going on the past I guess it means every Irish Catholic is a car bomber and a member of the IRA, just like every Muslin must be a terrorists......now it all makes perfect sense ...sigh....

Cabaal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The bible does not demand its followers commit genocide. The korran does. Wake up people.

Pleaseee of pleasee find me the part where it says this, I'd be very interested to see it, or did you just hear it on some tv show or read it on some random website. :rolleyes:

Please provide it with a reputable source

JohnMc1

Cabaal wrote: »

Ah yes, a small group of people causes the issue, so because of this we end up with lots of ignorant bastards taring all that religion/people the same.....fair...of course not, but its what ignorant bastards do

I will laugh in your face when the car bombs start and buildings start getting up here. And I will ask you point blank: "Still want to defend them?" because if you think Ireland is immune because you want to play the bleeding heart and hand your country over to anyone you are the ignorant bastard.

Cabaal

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I will laugh in your face when the car bombs start and buildings start getting up here. And I will ask you point blank: "Still want to defend them?" because if you think Ireland is immune because you want to play the bleeding heart and hand your country over to anyone you are the ignorant bastard.

I'm sorry?
Please quote and point out exactly where I said or even hinted to the fact that Ireland might be immune to anything....whats that?...you can't find anything...amazing because I never did.

Now what your doing is changing the subject so lets get back on track, if for example car bombs by terrorists went off in Dublin I unlike you will not tar the whole religion with the same brush.

Its obvious JohnMc1 you have some issues and I recommend you get professional help.

In this day and age it may only lead you into trouble, at the end of the day it only takes one drink to many for you to turn all your internal rage into you beating up some innocent muslin on the street because you believe he's part of some terrorist cell :rolleyes:

Answer me this, yes or no answer...Do you think its fair to tar all Irish catholics as IRA terrorists due to IRA bombings?

I'm also looking forward to your comments in relation to my post here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=54220504&postcount=25

Lets see if you can actually add something useful to humanity

Good luck!
Cabaal,

Freddie59

Stephen wrote: »

Erm, do you want me to move this to the humanities forum? Or maybe politics, religion, etc etc?

Having spent some time living in a muslim country (and indeed some in Israel), I think tarring all muslims with the terrorist brush is utterly stupid. I say this as an atheist. I don't respect their religion or any other, but I respect their right to believe in whatever they want.

It's a pity they don't do the same.;)

In fairness you couldn't accuse the IRA of something as low as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4muE8PJQsw

This lady has it to a T.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0

And a few more:

http://groups.google.ie/group/soc.culture.indian/browse_thread/thread/6ce2837ab5df15a/9e0cc12563743b64%239e0cc12563743b64

Firetrap

Does this thread belong here anymore? It started out with a question about Che Guevara posters in Kilkenny but now it's turned into something else that's got nothing to do with this particular forum.

Deliverance XXV

Firetrap wrote: »

Does this thread belong here anymore? It started out with a question about Che Guevara posters in Kilkenny but now it's turned into something else that's got nothing to do with this particular forum.

Agreed.

Stephen

Off we go to humanities!

hopalong85

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Tell the families of victims of 9-11 that Muslims aren't terrorists and see what happens. I guarantee if there was a 9-11 here you would be singing a diffent tune.


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Wtf are you blathering on about? Please stop implying that " muslims" are terrorists. You keep appologising for generalising yet you continue to do it. Some might also consider attacks on Iraq by the U.S. military that result in the death of innocents to be terrorist attacks. Does this give people the right to call American's terrorists? Of course not. So please refrain from calling "muslims" terrorists in future. Frankly its offensive.

stovelid

It's an iconic image.

Hardly means the culprits are experts on the Cuban revolution now, does it?

Cabaal

JohnMc1, you appear to be a clueless individual, I bet that mind of yours is fun creating all those crazy theory's.

Enjoy your crazy day

Zombrex

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Tell the families of victims of 9-11 that Muslims aren't terrorists and see what happens. I guarantee if there was a 9-11 here you would be singing a diffent tune.

There was a 9-11 here, it was called "Omagh", and it was carried out by Catholics.

Therefore Catholics = Terrorists

GuanYin

For God sake. Your ignorance on world events is startling.


I hope the OP doesn't procreate.

meglome

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Thanks Firetrap. I thought I would be the only one against the glorification of this piece of garbage. I knew Ireland was full of liberals but I didn't think they were low enough to celebrate Che Guevara and treat him like he's some kind of hero and yet will villify George W. Bush for trying to protect the US.

That's what George Bush was trying to do. I'm glad someone explained that to me as I had no idea what he was doing. (I honestly didn't think he knew what he was doing either).

The Che Guevara thing is the romantic notion of the revolutionary. The Ned Kelly syndrome (not directly comparing the two btw).

meglome

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Because liberals like to think they know everything. A 2 minute search on wikipedia would tell them Guevara isn't this saint they are trying to make him out to be. Hell I just saw one idiot outside Dunnes wearing an Osama BinLaden t-shirt.

I was thinking to myself "Are Europeans that Anti-American that they will glorify even BinLaden?"

I'm a liberal in the general sense of the word and you're really starting to irritate me. I've never glorified any killers or killings or wars, you'll find its 'conservatives' that do that. You use the word liberal like an insult but the fact is your sweeping generalisations mean feck all.

A lot of Europeans are anti American foreign policy and let's be honest their actions have caused, directly and indirectly, the deaths of a very large number of people. Numbers that no doubt Bin Laden would be proud of.

Zulu

People, please stop feeding the Troll.

Dudess

Ye-esss. Liberals are bad.
OP, you're swimming against the tide of your predominantly pinko generation and being all neo-con. How INTERESTING!

Zombrex

Dudess wrote: »

Ye-esss. Liberals are bad.

They eat babies I hear ....

humanji

Isn't the image of Guevara a famous Andy Warhol image? I've a couple of friends who have it on t-shirts and it's nothing to do with politics. It's an artists statement. He also did a pretty cool one of chairman Mao, but the t-shirt industry was apparently slow on the uptake (probably because most of the t-shirts are made in China ).

Strange how an Andy Warhol picture has spawned a debate about racism. Meh, I say! Meh!

Dudess

http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Nazi%20Cat.jpg

humanji

Revolution.jpg

nacho libre

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The problem is during the year i see people wearing Che Guevara T-shirts [sadly one of my cousins has one] I can't believe people would idolize that piece of ****. He was worse than the people he wanted to overthrow. I had a pen on me and wrote "F this murderer" Thankfully people were trying to tear them down.

Somewhere in Hell Sadam Hussein is sayin to Guevara "Who's your PR assitant? I want the liberal trash to remeber me as fondly as they rmemebr you."

could you not find room for Pinochet and countless other mass-murderers in your hell? or do you you prefer your mass-murderers to be exclusively on the left?

DeVore

There are a billion Muslims. They've been around for a long time. Dont you think we might have found out if they were bloodthirsty killers?

And dont say The Crusades... because we crusaded against them.

DeV.

SarahSassy

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Thanks Firetrap. I thought I would be the only one against the glorification of this piece of garbage. I knew Ireland was full of liberals but I didn't think they were low enough to celebrate Che Guevara and treat him like he's some kind of hero and yet will villify George W. Bush for trying to protect the US.

Well the fools dont have the IRA to glorify any longer.....

A piece of useless information - his grandmother was Irish.

Dave!

JohnMc1 wrote: »

I'm Laughing at the depths people here are stooping to too defend horrible behavior.

The bible does not demand its followers commit genocide. The korran does. Wake up people.

Are you one of those people who skims through the Old Testament...?

Dudess

JohnMc1 wrote:

liberal trash

Yes, being liberal - respecting diversity, advocating human rights and social justice, not wanting the planet to turn into a smokey ruin - only "trash" would behave like that. Screw those sissy lefties with their compassion and tolerance...

dave2pvd

Crikey, a Republican troll.

AM talk radio comes to boards.ie

Don't discourage him, folks. They actually have some great stories.