got caught..

LegacyUser

taking a leak in temple bar. Guard came up and took my name and told me to be on my way. No excuse I know, but I was absolutely out of it and didn't even remember till the guard called with the summons the other day.

Any idea's on what type of fine etc I'll be made pay? Will I be able to pay in installments etc?

Jigsaw

Write back and tell them to go out and concentrate on solving real crime.

Piss evaporates.

Gaz

Jigsaw wrote:

Write back and tell them to go out and concentrate on solving real crime.

Piss evaporates.

Would you like someone pissing on your property ?

LegacyUser

'fair enough u shouldnt have done it, but ...COME ON!!! the dude was locked...if it was my doorstep and i caught him, i just tell him to **** off......i wouldn't call the bl00dy guards!!!

typical.....ppl are getting murdered more than ever in this city...and the cop is wasting his time and the courts time doing this..........
i mean...whats yer man gonna do in court ..."deny" it!?? i wonder did he get a sponge and soaked up the evidence!!

i wouldnt say the fine would be much dude...dont worry about it!'

bostonian

what proof have they? did they take a sample?

The Hill Billy

caughtout wrote:

Any idea's on what type of fine etc I'll be made pay? Will I be able to pay in installments etc?

Not really a personal issue is it. If you can afford to drink in Temple Bar - you can afford to pay the fine.

Did you ever think that maybe the Garda fancied you after seeing your "equipment" on display? Maybe he popped around on the pretence of serving a summons, but really to ask you out on a date & then bottled out.

Well there is a lack of public toilets in the city centre. Mcdonalds and burger king dont let you use them unless you are a customer.

ron_darrell

:mad: There's no excuse for pissing in public. It's not the middle ages people. If you can't hold it, tie a knot in it and wait till you get home. I mean seriously, we're not animals. And the "I was too locked to know better" excuse, really? I mean seriously? Pubs have jacks too like.

If someone came out of a restaurant and was "oh I ate too much" and took a dump on the street would that be acceptable? So why is it any better to take a piss?

Nevyn

Jigsaw

abanned for 1 week.

celt262

Thaedydal wrote:

Jigsaw

abanned for 1 week.

Thats a bit harsh :eek: , he was right in what he said.

craichoe

Its unfortunate, but sometimes people have to pee.

And with no public toilet facilities in areas what are you supposed to do !

I was over in holland recently and saw these things .. great idea.. and stops the peeing in doorways and stuff.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77254577907948095

ferdi

ron_darrell wrote:

:mad: There's no excuse for pissing in public. It's not the middle ages people. If you can't hold it, tie a knot in it and wait till you get home. I mean seriously, we're not animals. And the "I was too locked to know better" excuse, really? I mean seriously? Pubs have jacks too like.

If someone came out of a restaurant and was "oh I ate too much" and took a dump on the street would that be acceptable? So why is it any better to take a piss?

so what? he should tie a knot in it and let his bladder rupture (putting extra strain on health system) or else just plain piss himself? get a grip. i know its unpleasant walking about the urine and vomit soaked city centre on a sunday morning. If you have a society whose entire social life is based on getting drunk then there should be adequite public toilet facilities in town, or at least those little piss-stops things.

OP, i'm pretty sure you show up in a nice suit, hang your head in shame and pay up the fine in installments.

Third_Echelon

I remember hearing somewhere that there is an Irish law where if you need to urinate on the street (i.e. no public facilities), you can ask a garda for his or her hat to urinate into...

Not sure if its a myth or if it is no longer a law, but I've heard it a few times...

Can anyone confirm?

Zzippy

Third_Echelon wrote:

I remember hearing somewhere that there is an Irish law where if you need to urinate on the street (i.e. no public facilities), you can ask a garda for his or her hat to urinate into...

Not sure if its a myth or if it is no longer a law, but I've heard it a few times...

Can anyone confirm?

I believe thats in the UK, and only applies to pregnant women. And that, my friends, is why English policement wear silly hats

ferdi

ferdi wrote:

so what? he should tie a knot in it and let his bladder rupture (putting extra strain on health system) or else just plain piss himself? get a grip. i know its unpleasant walking about the urine and vomit soaked city centre on a sunday morning. If you have a society whose entire social life is based on getting drunk then there should be adequite public toilet facilities in town, or at least those little piss-stops things.

OP, i'm pretty sure you show up in a nice suit, hang your head in shame and pay up the fine in installments.

That is bullcrap, women on a whole have much weaker bladders and how many have you ever seen squating on the street in templebar!
He obvious fell out of a pub or club, and they don't have toilets?
I was delighted when I saw what happened to you op.
It is disgusting and you deserve to be punished.

Kintarō Hattori

craichoe wrote:

Its unfortunate, but sometimes people have to pee.

And with no public toilet facilities in areas what are you supposed to do !

I was over in holland recently and saw these things .. great idea.. and stops the peeing in doorways and stuff.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77254577907948095

That's a great system but could you really see it working here? I just don't think Irish society is mature enough for something like that. It would be vandalized in no time at all.

johnnyrotten

Imagine owning or working in a shop and having to open up every morning with the stench of urine in the doorway.
Shut up and pay the fine.

ferdi

Moonbaby wrote:

That is bullcrap, women on a whole have much weaker bladders and how many have you ever seen squating on the street in templebar!

eh, plenty. not as many as men i grant you but thats probably down to a matter of convenience and embarrassment

Moonbaby wrote:

He obvious fell out of a pub or club, and they don't have toilets?I was delighted when I saw what happened to you op.
It is disgusting and you deserve to be punished

i'm sure they do have toilets but its not really that simple, you can go in the pub, leave, wait an hour for a taxi and then have to go again. you seem a little bitter moonbaby, did some nasty man piss on your new dancing shoes?

ferdi

ferdi wrote:

you seem a little bitter moonbaby, did some nasty man piss on your new dancing shoes?

Well that comment seems a little pathetic to me.
If I saw a woman dumping her supply of used tampons in a corner of the street in templebar I would just as disgusted.

How Strange

OP, there are two sides to it - so you got caught out and had to relieve yourself BUT can you imagine how the business owners feel every morning when they have to put up with the smell of p*ss.

It's a pity that you got caught when so many other people get away with it but you did get caught so as some other posters said, wear a nice suit, look contrite on the day and take the slap on the wrists that will be handed down to you.

I'm sure you'll be asked to put some money into a poor box or something equally minor.

meglome

I live in town so I don't need to piss in the street. BUT... There are basically no public toilets whatsoever so it has happened where I've had to go in an alley or whatever. If it's a choice between my pants or the street I'm afraid I'll be choosing the street.

Doodee

johnnyrotten wrote:

Imagine owning or working in a shop and having to open up every morning with the stench of urine in the doorway.
Shut up and pay the fine.

Actually I worked in Temple Bar for over 3 years and had to walk in every morning with the smell of Piss and Vomit, I also worked in one of the busy Bars and Clubs and to be perfectly honest I dont think he should be fined.

This is another typical example of the kind of Stuck up attitude towards people just being human.
The toilets in the places i worked were in terrible condition and often smelt worse than the streets yet the pub ramined open nightly with 200 - 300 people drinking and urinating.
And also I have seen women Pissing and Vomiting in temple bar just like men.

Everybody in this country is so quick to point the finger, the sheer fact is that there are ***NO*** public toilet facilities in Temple Bar, but its one of the busiest Pub and Club districts in teh city.
So whos fault is it?
The Government.

All this crap about drink aware etc thats being promoted is yet another tactic to divert the blame from the people who are really at fault.
if you ask me the pubs and clubs, local businesses (especially restraunts or pubs that employ bouncers that wont allow people to use the toilets even though they hold a publicans license) and the government should all have to pay up for facilities for the public.

Yee are all more than willing to accept legal tender from people for drink and food but yee are reluctant to solve the problems that occure from your profiting.

my 2 cents anyways.

biko

caughtout wrote:

Any idea's on what type of fine etc I'll be made pay? Will I be able to pay in installments etc?

I see no-one addressed this before. It should be a 50-100 fine for public indecency or similar offense.

Doodee

Doodee wrote:

This is another typical example of the kind of Stuck up attitude towards people just being human.

Vomitting isn't a choice. But pissing on the streets is perfectly avoidable, lots of other nations of humans manage to enjoy themselves, perfectly well often drinking more beer for longer, with a similar lack of public toilet, without resorting to this in their droves.
And quite frankly it is because they have more manners.
Look at the state of the chippers or topshop at closing time, we Irish think we have a birthright to create filth for lesser sods like Mamie to clean up.


Also I'll wager you'll see a thousand men doing it for every one woman, and the state of the toilets in the pub shouldn't come into it a mans case, as they are less intimated acquainted with their urine recepticals.

Doodee

Moonbaby wrote:

Also I'll wager you'll see a thousand men doing it for every one woman, and the state of the toilets in the pub shouldn't come into it a mans case, as they are less intimated acquainted with their urine recepticals.

This selective Equality then?


I completely disagree with you, I have been to other countries and seen people act just the same.
However, those European cities which have facilities definately don't have the problem to the same levels as here.

If I have to pee, and there are no facilities then I don't see why I can't go in a dark corner somewhere, I'm not doing anyone any harm, and I'm avoid injury to myself.

and you say that people should hold it in, what if you have to travel out to swords or somewhere else that is quite a distance away?
I would love to live in your perfect world dear because then no one would have such trivial problems and incredibly strong bladders.

boardinwork

Lads he asked what the fine would be not be, not if it was a nice thing to do.

Happened to my mate think he got a 60 euro fine or something. Cant remember it was years ago. Probably about 80 now

Dave147

I do it when I NEED to do it, and feel no guilt about doing it. I don't do it in doorways I do it down alleys where nobody is going to have to hang around the next day. I'm a perfect gentleman but the reality is even if I have gone to the toilet before I leave the club - walking around town you will need to go again.

And having nearly died from a kidney infection I'd rather not test the strength of my bladder because I certainly won't lose any sleep over committing this mortal sin.

Funny enough there is actually a dedicated lane next to Bishop Lucey Park (Peace Park) in Cork 'exclusively' for urinating after a night out... People from Cork know what I'm talking about!

mcR

OP your not the first to do it and you won't be the last so I'm guessing your just going to get a very small fine and that's it so I really wouldnt worry at all, they prob get this all the time

If women could take a piss while standing up, they would so it's not a case of only men do it, it's just more out of privacy. I have even seen women doing it out in town

LegacyUser

Thanks for the replies guys.
If its around 100 euro it wont hurt THAT much I guess.

Oh and I wasn't coming from a pub, I was just off an hour long bus from a gig that was miles away. And was making my way to another bus home. Still no excuse really.

BTW if this happens to anyone else, give a FAKE name. I thought that by just realising I was caught out and just admitting that I was being an idiot and being polite etc would be enough. Alas.




Oh and I've been in Amsterdam and have used those street things. They're pretty handy. Although put them in Dublin and they'd probably turn into brawl hotspots on a Saturday night..

Nevyn

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this is your first and last warning.

The rest of you behave don't make me cranky.

Have a nice day,
Thaedydal

IRISH RAIL

HA HA brings back memories of my brother same thing
theres two points here.
1st peeing in public there are no public toilets in dublin city. you can say go to a pub/club but thats irrelevent if its 4 in the morning when there chucking you out. a hotel wont let you in unless you are a resident, thats the hotels gone so the only option is a quiet laneway somewhere.

the gaurds the brother got a 250 euro fine relax youre not going to mountjoy

ntlbell

caughtout wrote:

taking a leak in temple bar. Guard came up and took my name and told me to be on my way. No excuse I know, but I was absolutely out of it and didn't even remember till the guard called with the summons the other day.

Any idea's on what type of fine etc I'll be made pay? Will I be able to pay in installments etc?

60-100e or so

Limestone1

ron_darrell wrote:

:

If someone came out of a restaurant and was "oh I ate too much" and took a dump on the street would that be acceptable? So why is it any better to take a piss?

Ironically, that wouldn't be against the law ....

syklops

ron_darrell wrote:

:mad: There's no excuse for pissing in public. It's not the middle ages people. If you can't hold it, tie a knot in it and wait till you get home. I mean seriously, we're not animals. And the "I was too locked to know better" excuse, really? I mean seriously? Pubs have jacks too like.

If someone came out of a restaurant and was "oh I ate too much" and took a dump on the street would that be acceptable? So why is it any better to take a piss?

"If you cant hold it, tie a knot in it", you obviously failed biology in school.

Yes, pubs have jacks too, but when when they kick you out of the pub at closing time what do you do then? Abra Kebabra on occasion dont let you use the toilet even if you are a customer, for "security purposes", and there is not one semi-safe public toilet to be found in Dublin. What do you do when you leave a pub, start looking for a taxi, need to go to the toilet, try a few pubs but their closed, restaurants wont let you in cause your not ordering food, Hotels wont let you in because your not a resident, all the while your getting more and more desperate.

MoonBaby wrote:

That is bullcrap, women on a whole have much weaker bladders and how many have you ever seen squating on the street in templebar!

Your no more use either. I have had a total of 6 women pee on my Doorstep at one time or another. I have not had any men. I caught one of them in the act, as I went out to have a smoke, and she apologised, and I said you have to do it somewhere don't you? I have seen a few but not many squatting in temple bar, partly because it is more dangerous and more difficult for them to do it than it is for men. Whats so disgusting about it? Would you not rather he or she does it behind a bin before they get into their taxi, to them wetting themselves (to prevent offending your sensitivities), and then sitting on the same taxi seat you will use next. I know what I prefer.

Like most other problems in this day and age, it could be gotten round by having some decent infrastructure in the capital, but we dont. OP I would suggest asking the Judge what you were supposed to do, or what he would do in a similar situation, but you have already stated you were drunk in public, so it might be shooting your self in the foot.

dudara

OK people, stop talking in general terms about urinating in public. That is not what the OP asked in his thread. He asked about a possible fine, and payment methods for said fine.

Next person to debate the merits/downsides of urinating in public is banned.

mcR

caughtout wrote:

BTW if this happens to anyone else, give a FAKE name.

No cos that would be illegal!

And I wouldn't start asking the judge questions or he will think your getting cheeky and up the fine

daveirl

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Goblin_insane

Honestly the excuses being handed out here and truly not acceptable. While yes the government may need to provide better facilities it does not give you an excuse to commit such acts. You are your own keeper, and you should act appropriately it is not the government's role to hold you hand and do everything for you.

It is like something I heard recently of people dumping stuff on a beach and when asked why the response was "ah, sure the government will pick it up". This attitude is common and for heavens sake not how it should be. If everyone took care of there own corner and acted appropriately half the things that we complain about as the governments fault, wouldn't even exist.

eirebhoy

The minimum fine you'll get is €150-200. That's if you wear a tracksuit and have free legal aid. Go in all smart in a suit and they'll usually give you that fine.

Anyway, most people would advise you to look smart so ignore me, as much as I believe I'm right.

Firetrap

Just wondering...if a person does get caught urinating in public by a guard, do they end up with it on their record or with their name in the local rag?

cazzy

Pi$$ing and vomiting in the street from drinking too much is disgusting
If you can t handle your drink then dont drink .
some poor person has to clean that up the next morning

the smell of urine from some of the alleys near O'Connell st is disgusting (the one next to spy bar - gross). the one behind supermacs.

you deserve the littering fine and maybe then you'd go before you leave the pub.

I did see in the herald a few years ago where some guy pi$$ed at an atm on college st and for punishment the judge made stand there (during the day fully sober) for a few hours with a sign saying what he did - i think that was harsh and humiliating and there was no need for that - but a fine might also have though him a lesson. so pay up and zip up.

cazzy

Any idea's on what type of fine etc I'll be made pay? Will I be able to pay in installments etc?[/QUOTE]

If you go onto the website for the Evening Herald and search for "man urinating on street" you will see a lot of others like you and what the judge charged them . Most were charged €250 although some guy in carlow was only charged €2 so you might be lucky. Cant believe the amount of people caught for this ! and the cheek of some of them (man urinating in full view of customers in supermacs, man urinating in front of traffic on main street !)

dudara

cazzy, Goblin insane and daveirl Can you all please heed my warning and discuss only the OP's question.

This thread is not for debating (a) the male versus the female bladder (b) the smell of doorways after urination or (c) the finer points of law on this topic.

I'm losing patience here with people's inability to stick to a topic.

LegacyUser

Gaurd didn't show, case struck :]

promethius

back of the net! they must have been out chasing real criminals!

McSween

I think there is an £80 in England for doing this. It is a good point though, he should have said don't do it again, and made his way to the local chipper/warzone :mad:

Riddle101

LOL this thread reminds me of when my friend took a leak outside Marks and Spensers last year and the gardai came over to him. Although instead of acting like a normal person and talking to the gardai quietly, he started shouting at the gardai and told them to F off. Long story short he got a summons, but for some reason he never went to court.

scuby

craichoe wrote: »

Its unfortunate, but sometimes people have to pee.

And with no public toilet facilities in areas what are you supposed to do !

I was over in holland recently and saw these things .. great idea.. and stops the peeing in doorways and stuff.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=77254577907948095

was in Gent years ago and there was plastic version of them dotted along the street when there was a music festival on...

EamonnKeane

i can recall someone getting hit with a €1,000 fine for public urination, which is pretty harsh considering you can get a suspended sentence for manslaughter

LegacyUser

I got a summons for the same offence "Urinating in public contrary to public decency"

Do you have to bring a solicitor? Why can't they let you just pay them?

No excuse of course

Gumbyman

Never pee anywhere unless you are absolutely sure you wont get caught. That is what you can learn from this. I recommend tattooing "Sketch" on your right hand. Actually, that would probably be a great way of punishing this crime. If you drink so much you don't know what you are doing then there is nobody to blame for your actions but yourself. "Oh I was drunk" is not a catch all, get out of jail free card. The cure is not to drink that much. As somebody who has to constantly hose down the back of my shop I say shame on you.

As for the punishment you are likely to receive - don't rule out parading around Temple Bar wearing a sandwich board that says "I urinated on these streets".