What catergory do i fit into?

Sgt Slaughter

Just wondering what category of politics my beliefs would fit into, im against big businessman paying feck all in the way of tax and i think public services in the country should remain in the hands of the government but at the same time if private companies want to set up in an area thats grand as competition makes the gov services better, but still i would be against the gov backing out of everything, let the private companies come in but the gov has to provide service, im for private hospitals but public ones have to remain aswel, id be against mass immigration i reckon it should be controlled where does this put me?

Akrasia

Sgt Slaughter wrote:

Just wondering what category of politics my beliefs would fit into, im against big businessman paying feck all in the way of tax and i think public services in the country should remain in the hands of the government but at the same time if private companies want to set up in an area thats grand as competition makes the gov services better, but still i would be against the gov backing out of everything, let the private companies come in but the gov has to provide service, im for private hospitals but public ones have to remain aswel, id be against mass immigration i reckon it should be controlled where does this put me?

I think it puts you in the extreme loony center.

I wish all you far moderates would keep your beige views to yourself. If you don't like the way we do things here, move to Belgium.

DadaKopf

Ah no, no. It makes him a Fianna Fáiler. You know, a pragmatist. Uh, a populist. I mean, all the other centrist parties who court the middle-class vote are behind this kind of 'common-sense' politics, too.

Extreme moderatism, indeed.

mike65

Why worry about being pigeonholed?

Mike.

Jackie laughlin

Sgt,
If you really are in favour of a mixed economy, you are a socialist by virtue of not buying into the simplistic notion that markets will provide. However, the mix needs to be controlled, e.g. private hospitals which "skim" profitable business cannot be tolerated because health is not morally marketable. Freedom to do business and make money is fine until it offends or erodes the public good. I might also add that the very existence of markets depends on the state.

mrgalway

Sgt Slaughter wrote: »

Just wondering what category of politics my beliefs would fit into, im against big businessman paying feck all in the way of tax and i think public services in the country should remain in the hands of the government but at the same time if private companies want to set up in an area thats grand as competition makes the gov services better, but still i would be against the gov backing out of everything, let the private companies come in but the gov has to provide service, im for private hospitals but public ones have to remain aswel, id be against mass immigration i reckon it should be controlled where does this put me?

Irish!:D

nesf

DadaKopf wrote: »

Extreme moderatism, indeed.

There's a distinct lack of respect in these parts for the extreme centre.

Jackie laughlin wrote: »

If you really are in favour of a mixed economy, you are a socialist by virtue of not buying into the simplistic notion that markets will provide.

So "The Economist" is a socialist pamphlet then?

Jackie laughlin

No, but it is not entirely uncritical of capitalism either.

The left/right divide has been simplified in recent years by the popularity of neo-liberalism. This popularity has pushed some liberals and greens into terrain traditionally occupied by socialists/social democrats.

nesf

Jackie laughlin wrote: »

No, but it is not entirely uncritical of capitalism either.

The majority of capitalists are not entirely uncritical of capitalism either but calling them socialists is misleading.

Jackie laughlin

I have no intention of doing that. I'm reminded of one of Marx's less well known observations: that there are "fractions" of capital. In other words, capitalists become one only when the system is threatened but most of the time they have different interests. Moreover, the interests of different fractions are more socially desirable than the interests of others. On a personal note, I have no doubt that senior business people are socialists on ethical grounds.

My point is that neo-liberal fundamentalism, the crude BELIEF in markets, is a polarising force.

It is also my view that what sets socialists apart is that they really do believe in a mixed economy. They will create and foster markets, protect some business and not others, make the state get involved in desirable business etc.

moe_sizlak

Jackie laughlin wrote: »

I have no intention of doing that. I'm reminded of one of Marx's less well known observations: that there are "fractions" of capital. In other words, capitalists become one only when the system is threatened but most of the time they have different interests. Moreover, the interests of different fractions are more socially desirable than the interests of others. On a personal note, I have no doubt that senior business people are socialists on ethical grounds.

My point is that neo-liberal fundamentalism, the crude BELIEF in markets, is a polarising force.

It is also my view that what sets socialists apart is that they really do believe in a mixed economy. They will create and foster markets, protect some business and not others, make the state get involved in desirable business etc.

i hope you are not one of those people who beleive those who work for the state can never be greedy

Jackie laughlin

Moe,
Was that a serious question??

Workers in state employment are as varied as workers in private employment.

andrew

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ might be helpful

SameDifference

Sgt Slaughter wrote: »

Just wondering what category of politics my beliefs would fit into, im against big businessman paying feck all in the way of tax and i think public services in the country should remain in the hands of the government but at the same time if private companies want to set up in an area thats grand as competition makes the gov services better, but still i would be against the gov backing out of everything, let the private companies come in but the gov has to provide service, im for private hospitals but public ones have to remain aswel, id be against mass immigration i reckon it should be controlled where does this put me?

You are a Realist Conservative. I on the other hand am some kind of wierd hybrid. I am so nationalistic that most of my friends call me a fascist (note: I do not condone Nazism or any form of expansionist nationalism). But I am also quite a communist according to others.

SameDifference

andrew wrote: »

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ might be helpful

I've been on that site. It marked me down as a Social Collecivist National. Somewhere in between a nationalist and a menshevist (non-authoritarian communist).

Belfast

I am a Libertarian (classical liberal).
Most people in Ireland do not know what a libertian is.
except Gerard Casey.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_Casey_(philosopher)
Not much chance for it in Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cato_Institute

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Friedman

Belfast

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

Romantic S

Sgt Slaughter wrote: »

Just wondering what category of politics my beliefs would fit into, im against big businessman paying feck all in the way of tax and i think public services in the country should remain in the hands of the government but at the same time if private companies want to set up in an area thats grand as competition makes the gov services better, but still i would be against the gov backing out of everything, let the private companies come in but the gov has to provide service, im for private hospitals but public ones have to remain aswel, id be against mass immigration i reckon it should be controlled where does this put me?

If you're vaguely satisfied with life you're a Fianna Fáiler, if you're vaguely dissatisfied with life your a Labour supporter.
If you are either satisfied or dissatisfied with life but would prefer if "our" kind of people were in government you're a Fine Gaeler.

You've not decended into abstaction with your political beliefs so you're not a lefty of any knid, a conservative, or influenced by any class of libertarianism.

Belfast, join FF when we go North, we'll take her over from the inside.:cool:

SameDifference

^^^ cosign

kerry4sam

andrew wrote: »

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ might be helpful

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.74

i'm quite happy with my result

ChocolateSauce

Economically I'm about as far-centre as it gets. It's really annoying, all the businessmen think I'm a commie and all the hippies think I'm a fascist.

Ok, that might be going overboard...but socialist and "business team player" are both things I've been accused of. :eek: I can't stand either of "those types".

Political Compass...

Economic Left/Right: -5.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18

I don't regard myself as that far left, and I'm more libertarian than that socially...Take this with a pinch of salt

o Diablo o

I am Nelson Mandela

Stabshauptmann

andrew wrote: »

http://www.politicalcompass.org/ might be helpful

God I hate that site. Are you more inclined to starve a kitten to death, feed a cat?
Answer: You are a cat person.

The questions are rediculously biased.

Stabshauptmann

Belfast wrote: »

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

I tried a variety of different answers and they all returned the same answer. A bit fishy!

Stabshauptmann

In the run up to the American elections RTE have this quiz:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2008/1030/compass.html


I dont think the Democrats are a left wing party, but meh

Irlbo

Nationalist-Socialist like myself I reckon(and no we're not nazi's,just because the Germans got it very wrong)