Help with the GTTR application

molly55

Hi, I'm applying for the postgrad in primary teaching inh the UK, and was hoping someone could answer a question I have regarding the application form. In the section 'Qualifications' you are required to give your leaving cert results to ensure they match the UK equililant. This is all fine, however there is a heading which states 'Name of awarding body', and I'm unsure what to put in here. I know the answer may be very obvious but I want to make sure everything is done correctly and I thought maybe someone could shed some light. Thanks a lot.

spurious

Pre 2003 results - Department of Education, Ireland
Post 2003 results - State Examinations Commission, Ireland

lalalalalorna

Hey there, hoping you can help me out too. Are there abbreviations for these? Tried to enter Department of Ed. but it does fit! Not sure what to do. Thanks

spurious

I would put in DES/SEC and add a note explaining what they are. I suppose their forms are more used to people applying from the UK.

kittex

I think on mine I managed to fit in "Dep. Ed. Ire." or "Dep. Ed. Eire"

They got what I meant.

Rebel_City

Hey there - another query! :rolleyes:

I have an honours degree in Business and an honours masters in Marketing. I am currently studying by night to do the Hons Irish in June 08. I only got a D3 or something v low in pass Maths back when I did the LC originally! :rolleyes: I've checked with the Hibernia requirements and it's fine for that post grad, but would it be too low for the UK??

Thanks a mil!

Olivia_

Hey guys,

regarding the gttr form does anyone know what to put for the question Who will pay your fees? I know you get a grant of £6000 but not sure what to put.

kittex

Rebel_City wrote:

Hey there - another query! :rolleyes:

I have an honours degree in Business and an honours masters in Marketing. I am currently studying by night to do the Hons Irish in June 08. I only got a D3 or something v low in pass Maths back when I did the LC originally! :rolleyes: I've checked with the Hibernia requirements and it's fine for that post grad, but would it be too low for the UK??

Thanks a mil!

You need a C in Ordinary level Maths and a C in Honours English for primary teacher training in the UK.

Olivia_ wrote:

Hey guys,

regarding the gttr form does anyone know what to put for the question Who will pay your fees? I know you get a grant of £6000 but not sure what to put.

What are your options? It will be the local education authority you study under in England, I think, the same people who award your grant.

great unwashed

Do you really need a C in Honours English to qualify for the system in England? I did my LC in 1990 and got a D in Honours English and for some reason studied English in UCG where I got on miserably as well (but as you can see I can spell quite correctly) and have variously tried TEFL with varying degrees of success since.

Surely I'd qualify? (the form is wicked to fill out btw)

Al-bundy

Hi guys,

Im currently in the process of applying for PGCE in UK also and I read on one of the messages here that you need a grade C in Ordinary level Maths and a grade C in Higher level English, however I am nearly sure you need to have a certain grade in a Science subject also. Can anyone clarify this?

ps. The GTTR Form is a pain (Hopefully worth the bother)

KateF

kittex wrote: »

You need a C in Ordinary level Maths and a C in Honours English for primary teacher training in the UK.

Nope, unfortunetely, Uni of Edinburgh and some other Scottish Uni's require B HIGHER level Maths (and they say this is the equivelant to the GCSE grade B, whcih is a bit ridiculous). And the rest usually require B Ordinary Level.

KateF

Al-bundy wrote: »

Hi guys,

Im currently in the process of applying for PGCE in UK also and I read on one of the messages here that you need a grade C in Ordinary level Maths and a grade C in Higher level English, however I am nearly sure you need to have a certain grade in a Science subject also. Can anyone clarify this?

ps. The GTTR Form is a pain (Hopefully worth the bother)

Yes GTTR is an God almight pain in the neck!! Most uni's will not require Science. But you will have to double check with the uni's you actually put on your form. Just ring up your 2 choices and ask to speak to the Education department. Make sure its the course director you talk to, or someone who knows what they're on about!
Its worth bearing in mind that the University of West of Scotland are the only college that don't use the GTTR for their applications, you apply directly to them. So if you were interviewed with them, you could accept a place if you got one, and still go for your other interview through your GTTR...if ya get me?

moomoo2007

So just to clarify i have a D1 ordinary leaving cert maths i wouldnt be eligable to apply for teaching pgrad courses in UK?

KateF

moomoo2007 wrote: »

So just to clarify i have a D1 ordinary leaving cert maths i wouldnt be eligable to apply for teaching pgrad courses in UK?

I don't think so sorry moomoo, but you will have to check out the individual university websites to be sure

moomoo2007

Ah bummer yea been checking through them kate and they say a C grade Gcse but whats that an equivilant of here?

Tartopher

I did the baccalaureat and got a crap grade in maths (I reckon a D equivalent) but my University were willing to overlook it because the LC and baccalaureat are a higher level than the GCSE.
You should give the university a ring first and see where they stand on it. I think for the most part if you have a decent degree and a bit of teaching experience they're more lenient with the levels

BTW I'm doing the PGCE (secondary) at the moment so if you have any questions feel free to PM me!

KateF

moomoo2007 wrote: »

Ah bummer yea been checking through them kate and they say a C grade Gcse but whats that an equivilant of here?

Usually a C Ordinary Level LC, but don't dismiss your chances altogether. Some (not all, so you will have to ring up and ask) universities offer a short course in whatever subject you fall slightly short in. Its a short summer course generally not too bd I think. They don't all do it so make sure and call the uni's you're interested in to check.

KateF

Tartopher wrote: »

I did the baccalaureat and got a crap grade in maths (I reckon a D equivalent) but my University were willing to overlook it because the LC and baccalaureat are a higher level than the GCSE.
You should give the university a ring first and see where they stand on it. I think for the most part if you have a decent degree and a bit of teaching experience they're more lenient with the levels

BTW I'm doing the PGCE (secondary) at the moment so if you have any questions feel free to PM me!

And as Tartopher said, the university might be willing to overlook it, its not as cut and dry as it is in Ireland. If they think you're worth taking a chance on and have all the other requirments, they will give you a chance. Obviously this would never work with the more prestigious uni's like Cambridge, Oxford, Edinburgh London etc but a degree is a degree!! Who cares where from??

Tartopher

KateF wrote: »

Obviously this would never work with the more prestigious uni's like Cambridge, Oxford, Edinburgh London etc but a degree is a degree!! Who cares where from??

You'd be surprised...I'm studying at Oxford!!:D

KateF

Tartopher wrote: »

You'd be surprised...I'm studying at Oxford!!:D

Well me thinks you must have had some fairly outstanding grades in most required subjects so!

bryanbal

HI
in the section who will pay the fees. what should i put down.

KateF

bryanbal wrote: »

HI
in the section who will pay the fees. what should i put down.

I think I put down 'self'. So if you're taking out a loan or whatever, they don't need to know that, just put self, or some people are funded ya know? Or some have grants

Alessandra

Hi. Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations of where to study the PGCE in the Uk?

KateF

Alessandra wrote: »

Hi. Just wondering if anyone had any recommendations of where to study the PGCE in the Uk?

I'd recomment University of West of Scotland. I actually got in pretty last minute when my place in Edinburgh fell through, but to be honest, I'm so glad I'm here, they have been a teacher training college for 50 years and most teachers I speak to around here trained there and are the best teachers I've ever come across....excellent role models. And a very hands on college, excellent library, small and old but the college is mainly dedicated to training teachers, although there are other practical degree's like Drama, Music, Film Making....a very hands on vibrant college.

phantomwolf

I am filling out the UK application now. Are the GCSE results my Junior cert results. And the A levels, my leaving certificate?

bryanbal

gcse are the leaving. a levels are junior. filling it out myself now personal statement is a pain.

KateF

bryanbal wrote: »

gcse are the leaving. a levels are junior. filling it out myself now personal statement is a pain.

Other way around actually

phantomwolf

yeah I thought so, that was a confus:rolleyes:ing 10 mins

bryanbal

Ok so when they ask for gcse results we put down our leaving cert results which are obviously way more valuable than the minimum requirements which is equivalent to our junior cert.

KateF

bryanbal wrote: »

Ok so when they ask for gcse results we put down our leaving cert results which are obviously way more valuable than the minimum requirements which is equivalent to our junior cert.

Ya what? When they ask for GCSE or equivelant, you put down Junior Cert, they will then ask for A Levels or equivelant, and thats the Leaving Cert. You confusing matters terrible here!!

bryanbal

sorry for all the confusion. however in the gcse section there is a scroll down box where you select leaving cert. are people putting their junior cert results in there? or putting leaving in and leaving a level section blank. i realise im not helping the matter but i think its still an issue.

KateF

bryanbal wrote: »

sorry for all the confusion. however in the gcse section there is a scroll down box where you select leaving cert. are people putting their junior cert results in there? or putting leaving in and leaving a level section blank. i realise im not helping the matter but i think its still an issue.

I can't help you with that, sorry, as it was 6 years ago I filled it in and I don't really have the time to try to look it up. I usually just call and pester til people til I get what I need to know. You're not the first Irish person to fill out a UCAS form so I'm sure someone there will be able to help you

newballsplease

I got D in honours english and a D in pass maths-leaving cert, does that mean i wouldnt be accepted by the colleges over there?
i have my degree, but im a little confused as to what leaving cert qualifications are needed. is there anyway around it if i need more the the above??
also, what type of References are needed? college refs or what?

KateF

newballsplease wrote: »

I got D in honours english and a D in pass maths-leaving cert, does that mean i wouldnt be accepted by the colleges over there?
i have my degree, but im a little confused as to what leaving cert qualifications are needed. is there anyway around it if i need more the the above??
also, what type of References are needed? college refs or what?

If you alrady have youur degree then the Leaving Cert won't matter much when applying to most courses. It mattered for me, I'm on a teaching post grad, but for most, I think they go by your degree, interview (if there is one) and experience (if thats applicable)

Alessandra

Hi, just doing mine now. Regarding the reference section.. What happens once I fill in the referee details? Is my application forwarded to my referees email address? How much will they need to write? Any help would be appreciated:)

KateF

Alessandra wrote: »

Hi, just doing mine now. Regarding the reference section.. What happens once I fill in the referee details? Is my application forwarded to my referees email address? How much will they need to write? Any help would be appreciated:)

As far as I can remember they have a page to fill out, don't think too much detail is required, just depends, enough to get the message across. They send the referee the proforma i think. But then, when i was filling my application out is wasn't electronic, but I'd say its still the same...
You're application won't be considered offiially 'in' until the references are in either, nearly sure anyway, it was like that for GTTR and they are part of UCAS

Alessandra

Thanks just sent it there:) Wasn't sure what to expect but it said they would be making a formal request to the referree and that the referree would be able to view my application. Relieved to have it out of my hands!

newballsplease

what references are needed? college??? ive no teaching experience.

Alessandra

Read the application thoroughly. You should ideally have a referee from your college. I didn't have much to do with my lecturers so couldn't ask for a ref but I have previous teaching experience and got a reference from that instead.

newballsplease

is it a big negative if you have no teaching experience when applying for this?, ive little to no experience working with youths and dont really know what to write in the work experience section.

KateF

newballsplease wrote: »

is it a big negative if you have no teaching experience when applying for this?, ive little to no experience working with youths and dont really know what to write in the work experience section.

Are you applying for postgrad or undergrad teaching?

newballsplease

KateF wrote: »

Are you applying for postgrad or undergrad teaching?

postgrad

KateF

newballsplease wrote: »

postgrad

Oh sorry yeah, I'm in the GTTR thread, thought it was UCAS, was getting confused.
Yeah the experience bit is pretty inportant. The main bit really, to be honest with ya. I'd even ask to observe in a classroom without pay or something to get experience. Its pretty much essential. Isn't the closing date Monday for GTTR?

newballsplease

KateF wrote: »

Oh sorry yeah, I'm in the GTTR thread, thought it was UCAS, was getting confused.
Yeah the experience bit is pretty inportant. The main bit really, to be honest with ya. I'd even ask to observe in a classroom without pay or something to get experience. Its pretty much essential. Isn't the closing date Monday for GTTR?

yea its monday, thanks anyway. i dont really know how they expect you to have experience tho if you hav gone straight from school to college then applying for this... where would you get experience in that time.

KateF

newballsplease wrote: »

yea its monday, thanks anyway. i dont really know how they expect you to have experience tho if you hav gone straight from school to college then applying for this... where would you get experience in that time.

Subbing basically, or going into the classroom observing. You could ask a principle of a school who you know, if you could go and observe for the day or do some subbing. You could send in a late application then, but you'd only be considered through clearing then. But I mean, technically, you still have time to ge the relevant experience and get a place through clearing. I mean, people get in through clearing all the time, its just annoyng and frustrating hanging around waiting to see if you'll even get an interview.
However, there is one Uni that doesn't go through the GTTR system, you send your application directly to them. Its the University of the West of Scotland http://www.paisley.ac.uk/courses/pg-courseinfo.asp?courseid=542
I think, but don't take my word on this, that they're closing date is 15th Dec. Not many people know about it I think, because it doesn't go through GTTR. I would apply as soon as you get enough teaching/observing experience, even if you only get a bit, you can just fluff it up a bit, don't lie, just fluff it up

newballsplease

ok cheers, you dont have any tips for what i could put down on the personal statement by any chance?!

KateF

newballsplease wrote: »

ok cheers, you dont have any tips for what i could put down on the personal statement by any chance?!

Em not really sorry, I think most of mine centred around experience and just basically why i thought the career was right for me

Irene28

GCSE results are the equivalent to the Irish Leaving Cert above a D at Ordinary level NOT the Junior Cert and thats fact. Check the educationposts.ie website for all posts and good information for applying to the UK

Nickdiaz

Hi guys,

After much consideration I finally decided to go with the GTTR application last week. Now, I'm concerned about my time frame. I know they will take secondary teachers up to the 30th of June, but is there a time frame on the grants or is it on going? Do I apply for these grants now or wait until a University gets in touch?

Appreciate the help, Thanks.