Falcon 65nm CPU 360s are out.

Captain Chaos

The latest standard of the 360 is finally out in stores starting with the Halo 3 branded 360s. All models will start to ship with the new 65nm core CPUs. The first batch will be lot numbers #734.

They may take a while to fliter to here though as some people are still getting new '06 production models here.

Story link at.
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/news/news.php?id=191

center15

Could people check they're Halo3 editions to see what version they have, the lot number should be written on the box, an inspection with a flashlight should also show if it has the copper pipe or not as the 65nm dont. I wanna pick up a 360 but don't wanna wait too long for the 65nm to filter through.

CiDeRmAn

Whats the advantage, I mean does this news reduce manufacturing costs? Does it reduce power requirements, will it solve the overheating issues, what?

lafors

CiDeRmAn wrote:

Whats the advantage, I mean does this news reduce manufacturing costs? Does it reduce power requirements, will it solve the overheating issues, what?

@ciderman: reduce cost - yes eventually, reduce power req - yes (according to a simple test by 33%), reduce overheating - doubt it, GPU needs to be 65nm, imho.

I've read the 2 rather large threads relating to this over on xbox.com forums.
A wee summary:
From what is being said, a lad got a halo3 edition console then noticed the heatsink on the CPU was different (no copper pipe, just a finned block). They also saw a different version number on the CPU (A01, not the original A00, afair). They jumped to the conclusion that "oh its a 65nm CPU cos it needs less cooling". Fair enough, but a huge assumption. So someone else from the same lot number, checked theirs for power consumption. They found it was drawing about 33% percent less. OK, sounds feasible now (65nm CPU will run cooler and use less power). There were also people posting that their consoles were running cooler (NO proof whatsoever....yet).

OK so it looks like they have 65nm processor (for me, until I see a picture of spliced CPU from one of these box's under a SEM, I'm still suspicious).
Anyway people should know before they rush out to find one, the CPU can be 65nm all it wants, what you should be waiting for is the 65nm GPU, hopefully sometime in 2008, as its the supposed reason they run so hot and are the supposed cause of the RROD.

So don't just go buying one for a 65nm CPU.......unless they eventually decide to get a quiet DVD drive

Zapp Brannigan

On another forum I post on some guy's Halo box gave him the RROD. So I guess Falcon isn't the answer.

Ciaran500

Not every Halo 3 360 has them.

Snake Plisken

Yeah the GPU is the main issue with the 360, it has a crap heatsink and no air circulation over the fins on the heatsink to keep it cool, if you have one open and touch the top of the heatsink you won't be able to keep your hand on it as it get so fekin hot, I'd be interested to see if they've done any re-design on the GPU heatsink to get it running cooler.

Snake

CiDeRmAn

My brother repaired a guys 360 that suffered the ring of death.
He opened her up, remounted the GPU, then "baked" the internals by disconnecting the fan and allowing the interior to heat up and fix and flaky solder, then reconnect the fan and bolt her back together again, instant working 360 again.
Of course it would have been easier to just get MS to replace it!

Snake Plisken

Yeah did that myself, just warn your brother that he might need do some adjustment on the screws in a couple of weeks and do another re-bake on the GPU, I did the same fix but got the check screen back after 6 weeks, re-did the process and its working fine again.

NunianVonFuch

A friend picked up the Halo edition but it's lot 732. According to the posts though only lot 734 has been confirmed as having it - doesn't mean that the other Halo lots don't! So my question is how do you tell which it is without opening it up?
Or linky link on a guide to do so?

I presume it involves peering through the fans but what to look for is the Q.

lafors

NunianVonFuch wrote:

A friend picked up the Halo edition but it's lot 732. According to the posts though only lot 734 has been confirmed as having it - doesn't mean that the other Halo lots don't! So my question is how do you tell which it is without opening it up?
Or linky link on a guide to do so?

I presume it involves peering through the fans but what to look for is the Q.

You can't really tell, before you buy, you can get the lot number afaik, but you wouldn't be able to see it.

If you want to check here's a link form the original thread....
http://forums.xbox.com/15804553/ShowPost.aspx

Oh theres also been reports that lot 734 are not all 65nm CPUs, depends on where it came from. From xbox forums most there are hoping lot 735 on, will be all 65nm CPUs.

Vic Vinegar

Is the lot number only on the box or is it also part of the serial number? ie the first 3 digits of the second group of numbers?

evad_lhorg

lot numbers are located around the barcode. youll see it if you look.

Vic Vinegar

Right, mines a 735 then (brand new replacement from microsoft) is mine probably a falcon then? it seems to have heatsinks in right places

center15

mountain lips wrote:

Right, mines a 735 then (brand new replacement from microsoft) is mine probably a falcon then? it seems to have heatsinks in right places

Is yours a halo edition 360?

Vic Vinegar

center15 wrote:

Is yours a halo edition 360?

No, but it doesn't have a halo edition to be a falcon as far as i know

center15

mountain lips wrote:

No, but it doesn't have a halo edition to be a falcon as far as i know

Not 100% about this but there hasn't been any 360's but some of lot 734 and all of lot 735 of the halo editions confirmed to have the 65nm cpu. It's very possible that any 360 lot 735 has the cpu they've just not made it into the shops yet, which explains that urs came from microsoft. Which model is yours?

Vic Vinegar

center15 wrote:

Not 100% about this but there hasn't been any 360's but some of lot 734 and all of lot 735 of the halo editions confirmed to have the 65nm cpu. It's very possible that any 360 lot 735 has the cpu they've just not made it into the shops yet, which explains that urs came from microsoft. Which model is yours?

Lot 735. Standard cream colour

Snake Plisken

As Mentioned before, it doesn't really make a difference, its the GPU that needs to be shrunk using the 65nm process as that is the chip that cuases the lockups and 3ROD's, I recently did some cooling mods to the cooling shroud and heatsink and the heat coming out from the GPU fan is extremely hot, this means that M$ should have concentrated on shrinking the GPU die first as its got such a crappy heatsink design and has the most issues it would have made sense for them to fix that first. Anyway I believe they are working on it and we will see 65nm GPU's early next year.

Snake

Snake Pliisken

Hey sexy^

I have to say I woul like the new improved 360 over the sh*tty old one if there is a noise reduction.

LeperKing

For the time being, could you just get a regular xbox 360 and once a sufficently quiet elite version comes out. Do an trade-in/upgrade? The question is will the upgrade option be always out there?

LK

Snake Plisken

OK just to clarify, if you go into a store and ask for a Premium get them to check if the box says HDMI on the back, if so this has the additional heatpipe coming out of the GPU heatsink and also is almost certain to include the Benq DVD drive, which is extremely quite. These are in stores now, I nearly bought one the other night in my Local Xtravision. I think Game might have stock as well. If it doesn't have the HDMI port on it then its old stock. Hope this helps

Snake

LeperKing

Snake Plisken wrote:

OK just to clarify, if you go into a store and ask for a Premium get them to check if the box says HDMI on the back, if so this has the additional heatpipe coming out of the GPU heatsink and also is almost certain to include the Benq DVD drive, which is extremely quite. These are in stores now, I nearly bought one the other night in my Local Xtravision. I think Game might have stock as well. If it doesn't have the HDMI port on it then its old stock. Hope this helps

Snake

Thanks

Snake Plisken

No probs, just make sure they don't try and tell you that the only 360's with HDMI are the Elites or the Halo ones,the Premium should cost you around the 350- 360 mark I know Xtravision are doing a Halo 3 & GOW + Premium for 399.

Snake

Captain Chaos

''Jasper'' 360s are on the way, begining August '08. These will have the HDMI, 65nm CPU and now the new 65nm GPU.

So another year to wait untill the proper 360 with potentially no hardware issues arrives.

center15

Has anyone got an elite with 65nm chip yet? I saw an Elite in Smyths lot no. 737 team FDOU. I think there's fairly good chances its an falcom cpu.

lafors

center15 wrote: »

Has anyone got an elite with 65nm chip yet? I saw an Elite in Smyths lot no. 737 team FDOU. I think there's fairly good chances its an falcom cpu.

This help?
http://www.360drives.com/list

center15

lafors wrote: »

This help?
http://www.360drives.com/list

Handy link, there's really there about 737 with 65nm cpu yet...

lafors

center15 wrote: »

Handy link, there's really there about 737 with 65nm cpu yet...

I found one post saying a 737 elite pal wasn't 65nm cpu.
Doesn't look like there are newer elites with 65nm cpu's anyway (in any region).

Headshot

lads does the Xbox 360 Premium Console have the hdmi connection now ?

center15

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

lads does the Xbox 360 Premium Console have the hdmi connection now ?

Yeah the new stock of them do, think its the ones that say 'Go Pro' on them.

ixm1980

lads check out the link.. http://forums.xbox.com/79/15804553/ShowPost.aspx#15804553 .... for anyone that wants a falcon check the box for the power supply rating... old boxes say 203w BUT new boxes say 175w.. http://www.altuscreative.com/graphics/175w.jpg ...

Snake Plisken

ixm1980 wrote: »

lads check out the link.. http://forums.xbox.com/79/15804553/ShowPost.aspx#15804553 .... for anyone that wants a falcon check the box for the power supply rating... old boxes say 203w BUT new boxes say 175w.. http://www.altuscreative.com/graphics/175w.jpg ...

Great Spot IXM, that will come in handy although trying to get game and smyths employees to check for you at this busy time of year might not be so easy. Do all Falcons come with the Benq drives as well?

ixm1980

check out this link, was posted few weeks ago.. http://www.360drives.com/list ... select the uk and then premium or elite and key in lot no 742 and it seems they are available... in the uk so good news for anyone looking to buy or upgrade!!!!

j0e

nice just checked my xbox fodu 738, benq drive not too bad but its still a little on the noisy side but i my xbox

Riesen_Meal

Thinking of upgrading now after reading this thread, are they that much quieter? Ive heard mixed reports! Mine was a day one swapped for a refurb and I just wanna get rid of it now tbh.....

j0e

on a scale how bad would u put it id say mine is just above that of my laptop

nice link to check your drive http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2007/02/21/how-to-tell-with-xbox-360-dvd-drive-you-have/

Riesen_Meal

Fair enough, so its still loud as ****!

Why cant it be like the ps3/wii!

I have my 360 in a cabinet now so the noise isnt too bad I suppose, might deal with it for another while!

Zonda999

Is there any proof outhere that newer 360's are more reliable.I'm lookin to buy one soon and i'm considering a used one.By the way will i mstill have the 3 year microsoft warranty if i buy a pre-owned one???

center15

Spotted 65nm Elite today in Gamestop in Cork. It's easy to tell the 65nm one's now, they've 175w written on the label instead of 203w due to the lower power requirements for the new cpu.

Zonda999

Anyone else noticed 360's for sale with the new falcon cpu???

Snake Plisken

I've brought my 3ROD maching back to life again for the 4th time, but when it dies again I will be going in search of the Falcons, I'll start with my local xtravision as I know one of the guys working in their and we can check the boxes.

evad_lhorg

around the barcode there is a lot number. lot number 735 onwards have them. the new machines coming into shops are over lot 780 now.

Zonda999

I expect the number of people buying a 360 in the coming month who actually know about the new cpus is not that high so it might not be as hard as one thinks to get a falcon before xmas

seveb

got an elite about 2 weeks ago in gamestop and it's lot 737, so the falcons are out there.

ixm1980

seveb, how dye actually know its a falcon? just because it has a lot no 737 means nothing! check out the link to this forum and from reading comments you can check weather its falcon or not.... http://forums.xbox.com/94/15804553/ShowPost.aspx#15804553

Pacifico

seveb wrote: »

got an elite about 2 weeks ago in gamestop and it's lot 737, so the falcons are out there.

Its not a falcon

seveb

from
http://forums.xbox.com/1/15804553/ShowPost.aspx#15804553

How to find a Falcon model 360 in stores

Based on the info in this thread, A Falcon model Xbox 360 MUST BE:

1. Lot #0734 (Halo 3) or later (all SKUs)
2. Manufactured on or after 8/24/07(An HDMI Premium manufactured on 8/19 has been reported as 65nm.)
3. Team FDOU (Other teams may be Falcon as well, but none have been reported)



Please note that getting a Falcon console is not guaranteed even if everything matches the above information. Only some new consoles are Falcon, and no Falcon refurb consoles have been reported.

just checked my elite
it's lot #0737
manufacture date is 15/9/07
made by Team FDOU

can't be 100% sure, it's much quieter than previous xbox
here's hoping

Zonda999

Finally got my 360 today in GAME,Patrick street, Cork.Very pleased that it it is a falcon.Its lot no 744 and its power usage is 175 watt.People still need to be careful though, I've heard of peoplr getting ones recently that dont even have a hdmi port.Also be warned that the box is the same as ones a year ago just with a small hdmi logo at the bottom of the back of the box

Moe Lester

bought my elite there on tuesday and it was lot number 740 and yes it was a falcon 65nm woooooooo

and i had it up against another xbox 360 both playing rainbow six and the the 90nm white xbox 360 is much louder then the elite was.

the manufacturing date was 06:10:2007
lot number 0740

gamestop rathmines was were i got mine

johnnyflav

Got an Elite today in Gamestop, Stephens Green. It's a 175W model so hopefully that's the new model and it'll run nice and quiet.

Had a quick spin on the console last night, it's definately quieter than the old one I had, but not as quiet as the PS3. It black box looks pretty smart under the TV.