dunsink lane

thebaz

Paid a visit to Dunsink site, wouldn't recommend it to all , very suspicious , but managed to get a few smiles , and a few young willing candidates -- theres always goodness , regardless of public perception



theres more from an intimadating trip (even for me) on

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebaz/

shepthedog

Brave one baz.. Just out of curiousity how do you approach/enter these places?? I cant imagine you can just stroll in and start snapping?? I am interested to hear your methods.. Some good shots there..
You certainly arent afraid of tackling tough jobs..

Valentia

Easy on Barry. There's brave and there's reckless.

311

The guards seized 100K on a bloke up there just lately ,so you could have easily been mistaken for a nosey journalist.

Be careful man.

thebaz

_Brian_ wrote:

The guards seized 100K on a bloke up there just lately ,so you could have easily been mistaken for a nosey journalist.

Be careful man.

I fronted up that i take photos of all over Dublin, and sort there permission obviously to snap, in the main it was negative , but the woman and child were grand -- wouldn't reccomend it , the laneway down is kind of isolated and scary with blockades -- didn't overstay my welcome or adventure too deep

RoryW

Bravery or stupidity. If things had gone wrong for you, you could be shopping for new gear now

311

roryw wrote:

Bravery or stupidity. If things had gone wrong for you, you could be shopping for new gear now

I wouldn't be worried about anyones gear ,I'd be worried about the person.
Your stuff wouldn't get robbed ,I would have thought the privacy aspect of things ,might lead to a kick up the arse.

O.P.
Your stuff is great barry by the way ,I'd be worried sometimes that you're not "fully" insured

thebaz

roryw wrote:

Bravery or stupidity. If things had gone wrong for you, you could be shopping for new gear now

i didn't bring my good camera - just the old olympus -- maybe i'm mad , but i like photographs that have a sense of danger to them -- as i said i didn't meet them all , and had a bit of banter -- and just shot what they agreed --

travellers make great photographs whether its Bourke or Colman Doyle -- i remember Fergus Bourke talked about the same fear about approaching travellers -- other things in life frighten me more -- financial insecurity -- relationship breakdowns

RoryW

financial insecurity and relationship breakdowns are a state of mind !

If you can have the confidence to take these dangerous photographs and have the courage to do so and you have demonstrated your ability to take great gritty photographs (from what I have seen in my short time hanging around here), then this should give you the confidence that anything you want to do (within reason!) can be achieved in time and with that comes the financial rewards and relationship security and personal happiness.

Cabaal

You'd want to be very careful baz, while I understand you want a certain type of photo you should look after your personal safety

RoryW

very very long range lenses may help to improve personal security !

TJJP

thebaz wrote:

Paid a visit to Dunsink site, ....

Why not? Is there a lack of humanity there?

Did you paint your pictures with a broad brush?

Did you leave your preconceptions behind?

Any of you ever seen Winogrand or Richard Billingham?

Sorry, but this is a tough tread about people who welcomed you and probably won't have the opportunity to respond.

Liked your work though...

311

I've been up dunsink lane before ,it's not the same now though.

Only the traveller community have right of access ,so strangers there are more or less trespassing.

Last time I was up there ,we were buying a car for the stock car racing

Karoma

In fairness, he left the D50 at home...
Did you get anything other than photographs from the visit, thebaz?

hmboards

Would it be worth carrying a small portfolio of your work with you on such projects, to show people what you are about and put them at ease ? If they had seen some examples of your work they may have been less hostile. Even if you didn't take any shots on the first visit but left time for word to go around about what you are doing. It might be worth considering if that's the sort of photography you really want to get into...

thebaz

TJJP wrote:

Why not? Is there a lack of humanity there?

Did you paint your pictures with a broad brush?

Did you leave your preconceptions behind?

Any of you ever seen Winogrand or Richard Billingham?

Sorry, but this is a tough tread about people who welcomed you and probably won't have the opportunity to respond.

Liked your work though...

thats it -- i wanted to potray that there are people living in this notorious environment .
and the environment ain't Beverly Hills ,regardless of the media calling it millionairres row . The couple i photographed couldn't have been nicer.
B.

Cabaal

hmboards wrote:

Would it be worth carrying a small portfolio of your work with you on such projects, to show people what you are about and put them at ease ? If they had seen some examples of your work they may have been less hostile.

This is a bloody good idea if your not already doing it, their more likely to see that your not some journalist out for a quick shot for some story that more often then not in there minds won't be positive about them.

RoryW

hmboards wrote:

Would it be worth carrying a small portfolio of your work with you on such projects, to show people what you are about and put them at ease ? If they had seen some examples of your work they may have been less hostile. Even if you didn't take any shots on the first visit but left time for word to go around about what you are doing. It might be worth considering if that's the sort of photography you really want to get into...

great idea

isadub

I think the council are trying to evict the travellers from that area so they might have been suspicious that you were an surveyor (or something) measuring up?? Still, it would be good to document this area and its people before it disappears.

If you went back, maybe you could bring a few of the photos from your first visit as a present. That might bring some good will and greater access.

Good luck with it.

thebaz

isadub wrote:

If you went back, maybe you could bring a few of the photos from your first visit as a present. That might bring some good will and greater access.

Good luck with it.

not sure if i'll be going back !!
I think they were surprised by my entrance , a return might be pushing it !!

I did tell them about taking photos of different Dublin people, and my plans for an exhibition.
they were still suspicious.

sineadw

fantastic stuff Barry! I agree the portfolio idea is great. Also, you might get in touch with pavee point? paveepoint.ie I think.. They're a traveller rights organisation. I'm sure if you got in touch with their PR lady, let her know what you're doing, she'd be able to give you some contacts. I knew their PR lady years ago and I know she'd have loved the idea. Pretty sure she's not working there any more though.

Third_Echelon

Great pics Baz, but definitely you were running a very high risk of endangering yourself....

thebaz

thanks folks -- regarding the portfolio thing, i have put together 40 or so
5 x 7 prints for the exhibition

http://www.flickr.com/photos/thebaz/sets/72157601815075448/

the prints look nice together, in a half decent album, but actually wouldn't feal comfortable lurking it around -- I like to travel light -- but then again i've been known to change my mind.

311

sineadw wrote:

fantastic stuff Barry! I agree the portfolio idea is great. Also, you might get in touch with pavee point? paveepoint.ie I think.. They're a traveller rights organisation. I'm sure if you got in touch with their PR lady, let her know what you're doing, she'd be able to give you some contacts. I knew their PR lady years ago and I know she'd have loved the idea. Pretty sure she's not working there any more though.

That name sinead ,sounds a lot like a film I've seen ,documentary type.

http://anlarfilms.com/v2/

sineadw

Oo that looks good Brian... hadn't heard of it.

Plans trip to Laser...

AnCatDubh

I believe that individuals in the travelling/tinker community refer to themselves as 'the pavees'

decsramble

Well done Baz, very brave of you but the photos are great and worth it.

thebaz

one more from Dunsink

bradnailer

"bump" :d

5uspect

Baz, I think you're a very brave person to take the shots you take. (Tho sometimes I think you're totally insane!). But those are some great shots and they show a very human side of the traveling community most of us would probably ignore.

thebaz

5uspect wrote: »

(Tho sometimes I think you're totally insane!).

thats it , i have a certain mad streak , which i think suits photography , i always like images that have a certain element of danger / excitement .

Read a quote by Capa , that still rings ,
"if your pictures aren't good eneogh , you are not close eneogh "
Unfortunatly he died as a result of his craft ,

Masada

great shots as usuall mate.,
Although I dont see it being fair that some people assume you would be killed in a heartbeat down there, ive been there a few times for car parts and have to say most of the people are great, there are "less desireable" people there but isnt that the case with every area.,

thebaz

vtec wrote: »

great shots as usuall mate.,
Although I dont see it being fair that some people assume you would be killed in a heartbeat down there, ive been there a few times for car parts and have to say most of the people are great, there are "less desireable" people there but isnt that the case with every area.,

spot on -- the people i deal with are great -- that kid is a super character -- but its a big site , and i think "others" don't want me back with camera -- so thats it -- respect