PS3 worth getting without HD-TV?

CountryWise

Thinking of getting a PS3 with the release of PES2008, but I only have a standard 21inch Mitsubishi TV, is their any point?



edit:i know il miss out on graphics somewhat but what im getting at is how much will i miss out?

Kev_85

have u got a ps2? If you do then no, buy it for the ps2 instead and save the cash.

CountryWise

Yup I have a Ps2 and must admit im quite happy graphically with it......

witnessmenow

Definatly not! ps2 has bassically reached the limit of graphics for bog standard tvs. Rainbow 6 looked so crap on a standard tv(i'd say worse than a ps2 game) and looks so amazing on HDTV. Also consider it for the pc/laptop if you've a decent enough pc.... theres a demo out so you can download that and find out if your pc can handle it. I had the pc and ps2 version(No comparisson at all!) and i played the 360 version. In my opinion PES6 looked the best on the pc. Its cheaper on the pc and you can get an adapter to convert your PS2 controllers to usb. Its on dealextreme here for about a fiver, free p&p

I'll be getting pro on the pc aswell as the ps3...

CountryWise

Ya i thought about getting it on my laptop but their was one drawback, their was a requirement for 1gb Ram and I only have 512.

Also im pretty sure my graphics card aint anything too fancy, should be able to run it somewhat though right?

witnessmenow

I doubt it requires 1gb of ram, i'd say thats the recomended specs, could be wrong though? Yeah I'd safely say it will run in some shape or form on your laptop(graphics down to low, and a low enough resolution) , PES6 ran on all my friends laptops and some only had 512mb of ram and integrated graphics. Prob the best thing to do if you have access to broadband is to download the demo
here

If you don't post back and we'll try get you sorted some how!

CountryWise

Cheers Appreciate that, my laptop isnt even a year old so im confident enough that it will run smoothly enough on it even though its only 512Ram.

Downloading the Demo when i get home this evening.....

Lemegeton

put it this way. i bought my ps3 last week and was in my girlfriends house and plugged it into her standard def tv and thought the games looked good but not "next-gen". got home hooked up my HDTV and was totally blown away, the difference really is that huge. games like DiRT in HD just floored me, i never expected the games would look this astounding. so if you have a standard def tv then dont get a PS3.

there are some low-end HDTV's out there, i get mine in Argos for 350 quid. its only a 20 inch mind and doesnt have the likes of Dolby Digital but it does display HD content perfectly.

Helix

dont buy into this "you need a hdtv for next gen gaming" nonsense myself

the "ooh" factor lasts what? 5 minutes? then it becomes about the actual matter in hand, playing the game

slightly higher definition images makes zero difference to that for me anyway

lee_baby_simms

Helix wrote:

dont buy into this "you need a hdtv for next gen gaming" nonsense myself

the "ooh" factor lasts what? 5 minutes? then it becomes about the actual matter in hand, playing the game

slightly higher definition images makes zero difference to that for me anyway

With respect you wouldn't be saying that if you had a HDTV.

Its makes a huge difference; so many graphical touches are lost in SD, many games look almost last gen and most importantly a lot of on screen text is unreadable in SD. FIFA 08 being the most recent example of that.

Lemegeton

Helix wrote:

dont buy into this "you need a hdtv for next gen gaming" nonsense myself

the "ooh" factor lasts what? 5 minutes? then it becomes about the actual matter in hand, playing the game

slightly higher definition images makes zero difference to that for me anyway

1 week ago i would have totally agreed with you but now that i have experienced it i can un-equivocally say that playing next gen games on a HD TV does enhance the experience and is not just a wow factor that wears off.
i agree that gameplay should come before graphics but HD graphics, while not necessary to make a great game, make a great game even better

topher182

me personally i wouldnt buy a ps3 at all! at the moment there are no good games and it is far too over priced!

Helix

lee_baby_simms wrote:

With respect you wouldn't be saying that if you had a HDTV.

Its makes a huge difference; so many graphical touches are lost in SD, many games look almost last gen and most importantly a lot of on screen text is unreadable in SD. FIFA 08 being the most recent example of that.

i have a 42" HDTV in my living room

graphics mean sfa to me, and ive never been able to understand why people touch themselves about minor differences

the GAME is what matters, not ridiculously stupid things like definition

Lemegeton

Helix wrote:

i have a 42" HDTV in my living room

graphics mean sfa to me, and ive never been able to understand why people touch themselves about minor differences

the GAME is what matters, not ridiculously stupid things like definition

yes the GAME is the main thing but there is a BIG difference in the visual quality of some PS3 games in HD. not all mind but some. Yes the game is still great and fun in standard definition but the question in the thread is whether the ps3 is a good buy without a HDTV and because so much of the expensive hardware is down to its next-gen HDTV components , if you dont have a HDTV then you are not really getting value for your 600 quid.

thebman

Why not use a Pc Monitor for games. You can probably get one cheap or free on adverts.ie.

I had an SDTV when I got my 360 and thought it looked great until I went to the Live centre where I played in HD and thought wow, I have to get this.

I got my HDTV and its actually better than the Live TV and got blown away again. I still get blown away every time I play and it does make a difference to gameplay.

You can see further and clearer on a HDTV and you get more into it. Playing Halo 3 and Bioshock is more like watching a movie than doing in SD where its like watching TV. Its just more enjoyable and has to be experienced to understand the difference better.

tman

I had my 360 plugged into a 26" CRT tv for a couple of days, but after plugging it into my 19" monitor I just wouldn't consider going back. the difference in image quality is unreal, like night and day...
So yeah, I'd say wait until you have a HD capable tv before buying (and lets face it, there still aren't any essential exclusive games yet...)

Helix

Lemegeton wrote:

if you dont have a HDTV then you are not really getting value for your 600 quid.

thats nonsense

the only reason youre not getting valuye for your 600 quid with the ps3 is because the game support is poor at the moment

by your logic its not value if you spend 600 on it and use it on an sdtv, yet if you spend 2200 on a hdtv and the ps3, its good value

its not, its style over content nonsense

the games dont get any better with a hdtv, and its a bloody games console first and foremost

lee_baby_simms

Helix wrote:

the games dont get any better with a hdtv, and its a bloody games console first and foremost

Thats like saying a ferrari is the same as a lada cos they're both cars.

The games were developed to run in HD as was the ps3 itself; blu ray etc.

Julez

If you can afford to buy a ps3 just for pro evo 2008, then u can afford a nice cheap HD tv from argos, get anything abouve 26" and the difference is very pleasing! Of course its the game that counts... and we all know pro evo will still be brilliant!

Helix

lee_baby_simms wrote:

Thats like saying a ferrari is the same as a lada cos they're both cars.

The games were developed to run in HD as was the ps3 itself; blu ray etc.

hardly

a lada doesnt handle the same as a ferrari does it?

a ps3 plays the same whether its on hd or sd tvs

lee_baby_simms

Helix wrote:

hardly

a lada doesnt handle the same as a ferrari does it?

Hmmm, thats my point. SD doesn't look the same as HD.

The PS3 is designed to be viewed in HD, just sayin.

Lemegeton

Helix wrote:

by your logic its not value if you spend 600 on it and use it on an sdtv, yet if you spend 2200 on a hdtv and the ps3, its good value

erm i got my HDTV for 360 quid so dont know where you are getting 2200.

Helix

lee_baby_simms wrote:

Hmmm, thats my point. SD doesn't look the same as HD.

The PS3 is designed to be viewed in HD, just sayin.

i like the way you took the first half of my post, and completely ignored the second bit which was:

"a ps3 plays the same whether its on hd or sd tvs"

Kev_85

Instead of buying a ps3 I would spend the cash on a good hdtv instead. Then buy a ps3 later when you've got the cash. The ps3 really does require a hdtv - webbrowser, bluray, games etc. No point spending all that cash on it and then not being able to take advantage of its main features.

lee_baby_simms

Helix wrote:

i like the way you took the first half of my post, and completely ignored the second bit which was:

"a ps3 plays the same whether its on hd or sd tvs"

hehe, fair enough.

CountryWise

Im going to get the pS3 tomorrow i think, reason being

1)the Price drop i can get a 60gb with 3 good games for 520 and by trading in my ps2 and its real old games i can get pro Evo for 20 squid

2)whilst i have a standard Tv at the moment it'l do for now, think the house is getting a new TV in the next few weeks so that'l sort that

3)apart from anything else i love the fact that i can send files from my laptop up to my ps3 in my room

4)i just cant wait to play pro evo:D

superweld

great thread because i got my ps3 last weekend and am enjoying it and am impressed with the graphics on an SD tv. my HD TV is on the way and now i am very excited to read that the difference is that huge

CountryWise

superweld wrote: »

great thread because i got my ps3 last weekend and am enjoying it and am impressed with the graphics on an SD tv. my HD TV is on the way and now i am very excited to read that the difference is that huge

Have you had any issues with the picture size.....like things not visible on SD-TV as its meant for widescreen?

gary_dunbar

I just bought my ps3 there last week. I have an old sony 32 inch tv that isn't lcd or plasma have to say the graphics aren't much better than the ps2 but then I played it on A HD-Ready tv and was unreal. Just wondering is it worth paying the extra money to get the full-hdtv 1080 or is the hd-ready one just as good?

There doesn't seem to be that many games yet in full 1080 ridge racer, sonic and transformers are the only ones I've come across. Fifa 08 looked class on the HD-Readdy TV and that was just in 720. Can't wait for PES2008 though on Friday

Sniipe

gary_dunbar wrote: »

I just bought my ps3 there last week. I have an old sony 32 inch tv that isn't lcd or plasma have to say the graphics aren't much better than the ps2 but then I played it on A HD-Ready tv and was unreal. Just wondering is it worth paying the extra money to get the full-hdtv 1080 or is the hd-ready one just as good?

There doesn't seem to be that many games yet in full 1080 ridge racer, sonic and transformers are the only ones I've come across. Fifa 08 looked class on the HD-Readdy TV and that was just in 720. Can't wait for PES2008 though on Friday

can't resist; Gary get a proper PC and you'll see unreal graphics

But tbh; unless its a really large screen I don't think there will be much of a difference if you have a 32" TV with HD ready (which is 720lines) to Full HD with a HD game (which is 1080lines)

gary_dunbar

I'm sure most games in the future are going to be 1080 so does people think there will be a big difference in playing a full-hd game on a a full hd tv (1080)as opposed a HD-Ready TV (720) ? Will it be worth paying the extra money

superweld

CountryWise wrote: »

Have you had any issues with the picture size.....like things not visible on SD-TV as its meant for widescreen?

my sd tv is widescreen so no. in the setup of the ps3 though you pick and change the screen ratio so i doubt it would be a problem.

phill106

lovin my new ps3, and playing it at the moment on 42inch plasma but it isnt Hd, just using the supplied cable. Tv does support dvi though, so ordered a cable to connect to this on ebay. Be intresting to see difference!

3rdDegree

I find it amusing they way some "purist gamers" wear their "we don't care about graphics, we only care about gameplay" like a badge of honour. It's almost like it's very uncool to admit you enjoy graphics.

If you are simply into gameplay and have no time whatsoever for graphics, then any old SD TV will do. If, however, you also want to enjoy the visual experience of a PS3, you will need a HD TV. Otherwise, there is little difference (graphically) between a PS3 and PS2 on an SD TV. Same goes for X-Box and X-Box360.

gary_dunbar

Is it worth paying extra for the full hd tv? or is the hd-ready good enough?

jor el

Will you really have to pay extra though? It all depends on the brand and size of TV being bought. You'd need to read the spec on the actual TV to see what it's capable of. From this page, some info on HD Ready specification.

* The minimum native resolution of the display (e.g. LCD, PDP) or display engine (e.g. DLP) is 720 physical lines in wide aspect ratio.

* HD capable inputs accept the following HD video formats:
- 1280x720 @ 50 and 60Hz progressive scan (“720p”), and
- 1920x1080 @ 50 and 60Hz interlaced (“1080i”)

So I take it a HD Ready TV may have 1080 lines (which is good as it gets) but it my not have 1080p specification. Though a lot of HD Ready TVs will only have 720 lines, but be capable of receiving 1080 signals. 1080p I believe is where it updates all 1080 lines on the TV simultaneously, whereas 1080i (interlaced) takes two passes to refresh the screen. I don't think you'd notice much of a difference between 1080i and 1080p.

Get a 1080i capable TV, which you can get for as little as a few hundred euro for a 26" TV now.

I tried my new PS3 at the weekend on a 1080i 26" TV and it was good using the composite video cable. I then switched to HDMI and the graphics quality was amazing. No comparison to composite or using a SD TV. I tried F1 and Heavenly Blade, the video sequences in Heavenly Blade were almost like real life. HD wins hands down for me, though the games are very playable on SD, which is all I have yet. I will probably get a HDTV after Christmas in the sales. Below 500euro for a 28-32" would do me nicely.

Must get a HDMI-DVI cable and connect it to my 20" monitor, that would likely be better then my 19" widescreen LCD TV (SD). I see these on eBay for about 11 euro.

gary_dunbar

was in Currys a few weeks back and there was two 42 Inch Samsung LCD tv's one was HD Ready and the other was full HD and there was about €500 in the difference so for that size there seems to be a good difference

311

I got the ps3 last week and I'm running it on a 24" philips widescreen CRT.
Personally I think there is definetly an improvement over the PS2 even on the dashboard. Gameplay is fluid and there is no speckles in any of the graduations of graphics.

I can't wait to get a HD TV though ,I was almost going to splash out on a philips aurea ,until I seen the price of the thing :eek:

Sky will probably get a call before I get the tv ,so everything will be ready for it.:)

Helix

3rdDegree wrote: »

there is little difference (graphically) between a PS3 and PS2 on an SD TV. Same goes for X-Box and X-Box360.

ahahahhahahahaahhaahahahahahahahahahaha

steviec

There is a massive difference between the consoles even if you don't have a HDTV.

I mean, it's not like they hit the limit of what SDTVs could do. You can watch Coronation Street in standard definition and it still looks more realistic than Heavenly Sword in high definition. By the same token, Heavenly Sword in SD looks far better than previous gen games upscaled to HD.

High def is a very nice bonus though. I would say it's at its most useful in split screen games, where every extra pixel really helps when you only have a quarter of a screen, and it's also really useful in games like Rainbow Six where higher detail makes it easier to snipe distant enemies. Oh, and text is soooooo much more readable. Games with a lot of HUD benefit a lot because they feel less cluttered.

So, yes there are big benefits, but I wouldn't say HD is the most important thing about the new consoles.

Canonfan

Has anyone tried PS3 on Dell 2407WFP-HC(1920X1200)? Any suggestions?

Thanks.