Bishops outrageous condom claim

Bex81

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7014335.stm
Has anyone heard this?
Apparantly a Catholic Bishop in Mozambique has said that European condom producers are intentionally lining the condoms with HIV in order to wipe out the African race and colonise the continent.
Is this just another ploy by the Catholic church to attempt to eradicate the use of condoms, in a place where there use is seriously needed, in order to enforce its views on family planning and contraception?
Whatever the reason, it seems to me an outrageous claim. And indeed one that could cause a serious amount of damage if taken seriously by the people of Mozambique....

Dave!

F*ck sake, what a disgusting, horrible person.

seamus

Bloody Catholics.

Abstention isn't a disease prevention method. It's a pipe dream. It's like asking people not to eat in case they pick up something from their food.

Sure abstention worked wonder here when the Catholic church was in power. Not a single teenage pregnancy or unmarried mother, right? :rolleyes:

It's this kind of bull**** that gives all religions a bad name. Making stuff up and calling it facts.

He needs a lolcat

North&South

What a complete idiot.

It would be interesting to know where he got his information, or indeed, what reasons he has for going on record saying things like this.

OK, it might well be that he is trying to frighten the Catholic population into the enforced abstinence that they should be following, but what about his moral duty to everyone else? Maybe he thinks he has NO moral obligation to people in his country outside of his religion, but comments like this have domino type repercussions....

Why is it that some people in the spotlight & in authority don't think before they open their mouths?
Unbelievable.

pokerwidow

North&South wrote:

What a complete idiot.



OK, it might well be that he is trying to frighten the Catholic population into the enforced abstinence that they should be following, but what about his moral duty to everyone else? Maybe he thinks he has NO moral obligation to people in his country outside of his religion, but comments like this have domino type repercussions....


Unbelievable.

He is probably so brainwashed that he thinks that no condoms now will give you eternal life in heaven or whatever. The pope should be made to publicly apologise for this shi*e.

Blisterman

Does he seriously beleieve that?

It's not even possible for the AIDs virus to survive that length of time outside the human body, if they did put it on condoms.

leninbenjamin

i'm surprised this is news to people. the catholic church have been making outlandish claims like this about condoms in Africa for years, i've heard similar claims to this many times before. it's crap like this that basically what stopped me calling myself a Catholic.

blah

Deleted User wrote:

He needs a lolcat

im in ur condomz, giving you HIVs

biko

AIDS condoms are only sent to Nigeria
Mozambique is not on that list

kaimera

What's a european condom look like when it's not hiv ridden?

jester77

Sounds like someone is not getting any, muppet :rolleyes:

cormie

Did he mean that the European leaders want to colonise it or that there's gonna be a big army of Durex employees sailing over to Africa to colonise it? :rolleyes:

HammerHeadGym

Wow.
'Catholic church in making up lies and asking the masses to beleive them shock'.

First they make up all that stuff about Jesus and his pet ghost and now this. They'll have somone walking on water next or some burning plant that talks or some sh!t.

Mossy Monk

And the local priest probably wonders why no one goes to mass anymore.

Dyr

Those wacky africans :rolleyes:

though he is right on one thing, if they werent doing so much riding they wouldnt have so much of teh AIDZ

Wacker

On the rare occassions that a Catholic representative can be drawn to defend their position on contraceptives in Africa, what I really want is for the truth to told.
I don't think you'll find anyone in Ireland defending the actions in this instance, but you know that Catholic apologists will immediately come out with an outright lie about the failure rate of condoms in preventing the transfer of HIV.
They'll always phrase it like "Recent research indicates a 20% failure rate." If you ever hear anyone saying that, be sure to ask them exactly what recent research they are referring to. They'll never be able to give a reliable source. Here's my source for facts about condoms:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs243/en/

The lies that they tell are partly in the name of morality. The reality is that people will be infected with HIV on account of advice giving by the Catholic Church. Hardly moral.

Reku

Meh, the dumbass probably just has syphilis and as a result is plain crazy.:rolleyes:

jawlie

Why would anyone give such views the oxygene of publicity?

admiralofthefleet

thats the wonderful catholic cult for ye

Terry

Someone should bash that bishop.

David Michael

African.

IQ Issues.

Standard.

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Jesus Wept

Pope John Paul II said some similarly ridiculous **** about condoms before too.

He is also resposibly for loss of life.

But I think less people would be willing to villainse him.

I reckon Pope Beno may have spouted some stupid **** too.

Voodu Child

That kind of irresponsible made-up rubbish makes me glad I switched to Scientology.

astrofool

You should join the Super Adventure Club.

Rabies

kaimera wrote:

What's a european condom look like when it's not hiv ridden?

smaller

Botany Bay

seamus wrote:

Bloody Catholics.

Abstention isn't a disease prevention method. It's a pipe dream. It's like asking people not to eat in case they pick up something from their food.

Sure abstention worked wonder here when the Catholic church was in power. Not a single teenage pregnancy or unmarried mother, right? :rolleyes:

It's this kind of bull**** that gives all religions a bad name. Making stuff up and calling it facts.

What, like the Bible??!!:D

Latchy

Just imagine, that bishop would have being listened to back in 50/60s ireland ?.His every word would have being devoured for consumtion by the mass's (while thousends of women were leaving ireland via the back door to have abortions in uk ) How times have changed indeed .......

Karl Hungus

Bex81 wrote:

Is this just another ploy by the Catholic church to attempt to eradicate the use of condoms, in a place where there use is seriously needed, in order to enforce its views on family planning and contraception?

**** that, it's pure racist vilification of white europeans. Oh the white man wants to kill us all off!!! Dickheads like that fuel the whole racism fire.

voodoo_child wrote:

That kind of irresponsible made-up rubbish makes me glad I switched to Scientology.

I lolled.

Latchy

Originally Posted by voodoo_child
That kind of irresponsible made-up rubbish makes me glad I switched to Scientology.

out of the frying pan into the fire i would say .......

Sam Vimes

More like: out of the frying pan, into the spaceship

Overheal

seamus wrote:

Bloody Catholics.

agreed.

jabba wrote:

He needs a lolcat

agreed.

blah wrote:

im in ur condomz, giving you HIVs

agreed.

Terry wrote:

Someone should bash that bishop

agreed.

Agnostic myself :rolleyes:

Naikon

Overheal wrote:

Agnostic myself :rolleyes:

Same here after thinking about Christianity/<_insert religion here_> for a while:D

UpcomingStudent

THIS is why i dont beleive in the church... these stupid beleifs that cost lives.

Guy:Incognito

It would be a very slow burning way or wipeing out a continent full of people, especially on a continent where mass genocide has been popular for centuries.

Surely anthrax or something would be much more effective if th ewest want to eliminate the african population.

L1011

Stekelly wrote:

It would be a very slow burning way or wipeing out a continent full of people, especially on a continent where mass genocide has been popular for centuries.

Surely anthrax or something would be much more effective if th ewest want to eliminate the african population.

Ah but sure isn't slow and gruesome and painful much better than quick

Kinetic^

AIDs for all!!!!!!!!!!

Binomate

Africa was better off colonised by the racist Europeans tbh. The people who could actually run a country. However the Europeans gave them their land back and they turned it in to AIDS and dust.

Hopefully once AIDS wipes out Africa we can colonise once again. If the Americans don't get there first that is.

thefinalstage

But...if the condoms were laced with AIDs, does that not mean most of us are actually infected and the africans dieing are the non infected?

Hagar

"Laced condoms" ? I suppose it's a fashion thing, don't think it'll catch on though.

bubonicus

BBC Some 17.5% of Mozambicans are Catholic.

BBC it is estimated that 16.2% of Mozambique's 19m inhabitants are HIV positive.

Not looking good.:p

Hagar

Hagar wrote:

"Laced condoms" ? I suppose it's a fashion thing, don't think it'll catch on though.

Depends on how you tie the laces.

Spyral

Wacker wrote:

On the rare occassions that a Catholic representative can be drawn to defend their position on contraceptives in Africa, what I really want is for the truth to told.
I don't think you'll find anyone in Ireland defending the actions in this instance, but you know that Catholic apologists will immediately come out with an outright lie about the failure rate of condoms in preventing the transfer of HIV.
They'll always phrase it like "Recent research indicates a 20% failure rate." If you ever hear anyone saying that, be sure to ask them exactly what recent research they are referring to. They'll never be able to give a reliable source. Here's my source for facts about condoms:

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs243/en/

The lies that they tell are partly in the name of morality. The reality is that people will be infected with HIV on account of advice giving by the Catholic Church. Hardly moral.

Estimated pregnancy rates during perfect use of condoms, that is for those who report using the method exactly as it should be used (correctly) and at every act of intercourse (consistently), is 3 percent at 12 months.

so even with perfect use 3% will run the risk

The most frequently cited condom effectiveness rate is for typical use, which includes perfect and imperfect use (i.e. not used at every act of intercourse, or used incorrectly). The pregnancy rate during typical use can be much higher (10-14%) than for perfect use, but this is due primarily to inconsistent and incorrect use, not to condom failure. Condom failure – the device breaking or slipping off completely during intercourse – is uncommon.

if you look on boards (in the christianity threads perhaps CBA searching it at the moment) you'll see where I refer to an 18% failure rate IN PRACTICE. that is, accidental breakage, slipping off and then contacting bodily fluids and things like that. Including all the factors.

Even if that's not accurate 10-14% of casual use still is a lot. Sex 10 times = chance of infection assuming your partner is diseased.

Is this just another ploy by the Catholic church to attempt to eradicate the use of condoms, in a place where there use is seriously needed, in order to enforce its views on family planning and contraception

actually its the only 100% safe option as any sane person with logic and who doesn't think with their b*ll*cks will tell you. If you have sex you run the risk of aids. Simple as. Absinance is the only 100% effective method.
Additionally I've not heard of anyone dying from lack of sex.

Trojan911

To be honest, I wouldn't take a blind bit of notice at those claims. Typical tree hugging BBC & a scare mongering "Bishop" reporting.......... Where is the proof?

TJ911...

L1011

Spyral wrote:

if you look on boards (in the christianity threads perhaps CBA searching it at the moment) you'll see where I refer to an 18% failure rate IN PRACTICE. that is, accidental breakage, slipping off and then contacting bodily fluids and things like that. Including all the factors.

Even if that's not accurate 10-14% of casual use still is a lot. Sex 10 times = chance of infection assuming your partner is diseased.

18%? I've not seen anything close to a 1.8% failure rate, be it breakage or slippage from personal use. 18% would require you/your partner to be woefully incompetent and putting them on, or extremely poor quality condoms, or both.

However, an 18% hypothetical "fail" rate is still 82% more protection than nothing. People are going to have sex any which way, any way to reduce the incidental transmission rates is a good thing. Encouraging abstinence as the sole prevention is insanely blinkered.

As goes the nutter bishop, by the time the condoms had made it from Europe to Africa, the HIV/AIDS on them would have died, anyway. Can't survive that long out of the body.

Rhyme

Kenny 5 wrote:

AIDs for all!!!!!!!!!!

Miniature flags for some.

Bex81

Spyral wrote:

Additionally I've not heard of anyone dying from lack of sex.

I dunno about that. Ive been pretty close to it

astrofool

You should give this a read http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9831189

Basically, scientific proof that abstinence does not work.

Sam Vimes

Spyral wrote:

if you look on boards (in the christianity threads perhaps CBA searching it at the moment) you'll see where I refer to an 18% failure rate IN PRACTICE. that is, accidental breakage, slipping off and then contacting bodily fluids and things like that. Including all the factors.

What you referred to was incorrect. If there was anything near an 18% percent failure rate then my girlfriend and i would have had many many babies by now. The failure rate is extremely low except where people don't use them right. And that's an argument for education rather than against condoms

Spyral wrote:

actually its the only 100% safe option as any sane person with logic and who doesn't think with their b*ll*cks will tell you. If you have sex you run the risk of aids. Simple as. Absinance is the only 100% effective method.
Additionally I've not heard of anyone dying from lack of sex.

any sane person will tell you that to have sex is human nature and to tell people not to have sex is to try to change human nature. The evidence has shown that preaching abstinence does not work

and remember, the bible tells us that its possible to get pregnant without having sex so by that logic you can get aids too

come to think of it, having sex is not the only way to get aids. Blood transfusions, coming into contact with infected blood etc

2 stroke

Must remember to put my used condoms in the recycling bin in future so that they can be sent to africa. Must catch aids too, cant let the catholic church be caught out for telling lies.

Wacker

Spyral wrote:

so even with perfect use 3% will run the risk

No. That is completely incorrect. Read this again:

The most convincing data on the effectiveness of condoms in preventing HIV infection has been generated by prospective studies undertaken on serodiscordant couples, when one partner is infected with HIV and the other is not. These studies show that, with consistent condom use, the HIV infection rate among uninfected partners was less than 1 percent per year. Also, in situations where one partner is definitely infected, inconsistent condom use can be as risky as not using condoms at all.

The figure you quoted refered to pregnancy, not HIV. Also, it is referring to the possibility of infection in the course of a year. It doesn't state what they consider the average amount of sex for a couple to be, so it is hard to get an accurate figure for the failure rate of a condom in one particular use. However, let's take a really low figure, just for sake of arguement. Imagine this couple have sex just once a week. That would mean that if a couple where one is HIV positive and the other is not have sex 52 times and use condoms correctly, there is a 1% chance that the partner will end up infected. That makes the failure rate 0.019%, and that was when I used an unrealisticly low figure for the amount of instances of sex!

0.019% is not negligible; when discussing the spread of a fatal disease then no figure is negligible. However, I think we can agree, based on this factual data, that the infection rate would plummet over time if condoms were made readily available and the people were educated in their correct usage. Constantly going on about abstinence will never achieve this.