New web page. Need your honest feedback (NOT TOO HONEST!)

WPI20000

Hi guys,

I've just finished a web page design for my web page design company and I'd love some feedback from all of yous gurus. Please be honest! But not tooHONEST as we did this really quick and will be improving over time.

Thanks, John

forbairt

its great ... its simple ... you don't even need google to find it :P


a link might be handy

Huggles

link?

mneylon

It's very minimalistic

WPI20000

OKOK, I'm an idiot.

Here we go

http://webpageireland.com/

mastermind2005

Horrid.

No seriously tho, i dont think its professional grade.

Is that you in the picture?

MM

forbairt

My honest opinion is ... you don't want to know what my honest opinion is ...


Take a look at a few of the web designers / developers sites on here

http://www.edenweb.ie/
http://www.davidbehan.com/
http://www.redflymarketing.com/

I notice a big difference between their sites and yours ...

mneylon

This is going to sound a bit harsh, but if you're serious about offering web services to people you need to be able to do some things properly....


Checking your spelling would be a good start

It's not validating - so why are you using the w3c logo?

The text is squashed to the edge

The colours render the aforementioned text almost illegible

The layout isn't consistent from page to page

The web is always "under construction" - telling us isn't helpful

Did I mention spelling?

Huggles

Not being bad, but OMG.

Thats simply Horrific. Really.

This is the kind of thing I hate about the industry in Ireland. Have you any idea how many clients I have come to me after being ripped off by the likes of you.

Bloody hell.

forbairt

had assumed it validated at least ... but yeah ... please don't add w3 links when it doesn't ...

Are you tired of being quoted ridiculous for the design of a site

ridiculous what ?


Another word of advice is don't put up yoursite until its ready ... thats not ready ... anyone who goes to your site ... probably won't come back ... at least if you've a simple coming soon ... while its not ideal it doesn't put people off ...

I've a coming soon sign on my front page for my new site at the moment ... its definitely not ideal .. but its better than a client coming to the page ... and seeing things broken

edit: corrected typo

Huggles

I assume the OP meant ridiculous amounts...........

I wouldn't take a design from you for free OP.

is this your real day job?

WPI20000

TheGooner wrote:

I wouldn't take a design from you for free OP.

What harm would it to take a design for free?

I don't see anything special about those other designers posted above. All the technical stuff you guys are talking about is means nothing if you don't have the business knowlege that we know.

smcelhinney

Is this a p!$$take? Im sorry for being blunt, but there's one thing encouraging people in design standards, but another for critiquing sites of this calibre that EXPECT to make money from design..

Back to Web Standards 101 for you my good man/woman.. Also, why did you put Google Analytics on it?

Edited for grammar.. d'oh!

Huggles

WPI20000 wrote:

What harm would it to take a design for free?

I don't see anything special about those other designers posted above. All the technical stuff you guys are talking about is means nothing if you don't have the business knowlege that we know.

OMG You haven't a clue.

I really believe your a troll.

Business knowledge, lol, I have been doing this professionally for over 6 years. I have 200 plus clients on my portfolio.

mneylon

WPI20000 wrote:

What harm would it to take a design for free?

I don't see anything special about those other designers posted above. All the technical stuff you guys are talking about is means nothing if you don't have the business knowlege that we know.

Spelling and clear expression are hardly technical

KJF

WPI20000 wrote:

OKOK, I'm an idiot.

Here we go

http://webpageireland.com/

Oh dear, I don't mean to put you down but the first thing you do is make sure your grammar and spelling is correct before allowing your site to go live.
It gives off such an unprofessional air in this day and age to have these types of mistakes in a site.

Second, I don't think the design really cuts it, not in this day and age where everyone expects, not least for a design company a high gloss web 2.0 look. I would seriously consider a redesign.

I hope the words posted here don't discourage you, take the criticism and use it constructively.

forbairt

WPI20000 wrote:

What harm would it to take a design for free?

A poor image really really hurts your company / business

I don't see anything special about those other designers posted above. All the technical stuff you guys are talking about is means nothing if you don't have the business knowlege that we know.

The main difference is ... professionalism

mastermind2005

You have to start at somepoint, The site yous guys did is leagues behind the examples given in fairness. i wouldn take anything gooner says too seriously, as it will get you nowhere but would definitly focus on developing design skills ect and spelling/grammer wouldnt be a bad thing either. what price you put on a site such as your own one?

Cheers
MM

Huggles

mastermind2005 wrote:

i wouldn take anything gooner says too seriously, as it will get you nowhere

Why is that? He clearly has no skills and is charging for this????

Would you take your car in to a mechanic with no training? Nah didn't think so.

mneylon

I'd also wonder how many people would want to do business with a "company" hiding behind an obfuscated whois ....

mastermind2005

TheGooner

I just tought what you said was a little harsh, i didn say what i ment clear enough,

but "I wouldn't take a design from you for free OP" although its honest, its not constructive.

Huggles

mastermind2005 wrote:

TheGooner

I just tought what you said was a little harsh, i didn say what i ment clear enough,

but "I wouldn't take a design from you for free OP" although its honest, its not constructive.

I think it is constructive, it says your very very very bad at it, so don't get into it...leave it to the pros.

Think of me as the Simon Cowell of Web Design.

Mastermind are you in the industry yourself?

mneylon

TheGooner wrote:

Think of me as the Simon Cowell of Web Design.

Classic

forbairt

TheGooner wrote:

Think of me as the Simon Cowell of Web Design.

OP ...
Do you have examples of the sites you did for the people mentioned in your about page who are giving quotes on your business ?


what are your

Other advanced digital servcies

?

WPI20000

TheGooner wrote:

Think of me as the Simon Cowell of Web Design.

Please post your site so we can see how good you are.

Huggles

blacknight wrote:

Classic

Seriously though. I have often wanted to start a thread on here about the Web Cowboys of Ireland.

***Silent Scream***

I get folk ringing the office saying they have been quoted 10k for a five page brochure site!!! Not even offering a cms or anything!!

Huggles

WPI20000 wrote:

Please post your site so we can see how good you are.

I am not going to put my company/companies I have done work for URL's on boards.

It would be very unprofessional of me.

mastermind2005

"Simon Cowell of Web Design" more like Louis Walsh

Huggles

mastermind2005 wrote:

"Simon Cowell of Web Design" more like Louis Walsh

Twice now you have discredited me. Whats up?

forbairt

WPI20000 wrote:

Please post your site so we can see how good you are.

While not directed at me ... I'll add my new design ... static ... no real content present ... I like to think it looks pretty decent

http://www.forbairtmedia.ie/mockup/

Huggles

forbairt wrote:

While not directed at me ... I'll add my new design ... static ... no real content present ... I like to think it looks pretty decent

http://www.forbairtmedia.ie/mockup/

Very nice. I like.

I'll put you through to the boot camp for that

forbairt

TheGooner wrote:

Very nice. I like.

I'll put you through to the boot camp for that

oh my god though ... whats next weeks challenge

Huggles

forbairt wrote:

oh my god though ... whats next weeks challenge

I want you to redesign the OPs site!

mastermind2005

@ TheGooner no offense intended.... just playing... would be curious to see an example of your work.

I have been involved in web development projects.. actually doing one at the moment. but i wont be expecting any awards

WPI20000

forbairt wrote:

While not directed at me ... I'll add my new design ... static ... no real content present ... I like to think it looks pretty decent

http://www.forbairtmedia.ie/mockup/

At least you have the ba11s to post your site. She get's around, that girl:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=323168

Huggles

WPI20000 wrote:

At least you have the ba11s to post your site. She get's around, that girl:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=323168

LOL nowt to do with balls (I don't have any anyways as I'm a layydeeeee)

WPI20000

TheGooner wrote:

I want you to redesign the OPs site!

I'm not going to let you redesign my site until I see your work.

Are you calling anyone that posts their web pages up unprofessional (eg. forbairt)? I think you're making excuses. Everyone can see that. It's very easy to knock other people's sites but hide your own and stay anonymous.

Onikage

WPI20000 wrote:

I don't see anything special about those other designers posted above. All the technical stuff you guys are talking about is means nothing if you don't have the business knowlege that we know.

Clients pay money to designers because they trust that the designer knows the "technical stuff". Business knowledge comes down to knowing who will pay for what and how much. If you think you can sell websites done to the standard you have shown, good luck. But don't go around talking down the abilities of others, or nobody will want to do business with you.

aidan_walsh

Enough. No more calling people out. If they want to volunteer a site, fine. If not, forget it.

You asked for critisism. Take it with a pinch of salt, or don't ask.

Huggles

WPI20000 wrote:

I'm not going to let you redesign my site until I see your work.

Are you calling anyone that posts their web pages up unprofessional (eg. forbairt)? I think you're making excuses. Everyone can see that. It's very easy to knock other people's sites but hide your own and stay anonymous.

I'm not calling Forbairt or anyone else unprofessional at all. It is there choice.

I work freelance for a number of web development companies in Dublin and these sites we develop make up my Portfolio.

The reasons I won't be posting links to my work here is because they are in company names and will not take too kindly to having there sites pasted all over boards.

On your last point. Yes it is very easy to sit here and 'hide' my work and stay anonymous..but I have my reasons for not poting the links.

I am sorry if I have come on overly aggressive but its a pet hate of mine when folk throw badly designed, disorganised, websites together in a couple of days and charge for it.

jmcc

Is this the equivalent of a "dance off" [1] between web designers?

Regards...jmcc
[1] Vaguely recalled from an episode of South Park.

zippo22

WPI20000 wrote:

OKOK, I'm an idiot.

Here we go

http://webpageireland.com/

You were doin' ok until you put up the link.

forbairt

WPI20000 wrote:

She get's around, that girl:

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&userID=323168

Andrzej is actually I'd say my favourite photographer ... I find his work truely amazing

TheGooner wrote:

I'm not calling Forbairt or anyone else unprofessional at all. It is there choice.

I didn't think you were ...

I gave my site purely to show what I think the difference between our work is ... and you asked for comments and many comments have been given ... they've just for the most part not being what you want to hear ...

Huggles

forbairt wrote:

Andrzej is actually I'd say my favourite photographer ... I find his work truely amazing



I didn't think you were ...

I gave my site purely to show what I think the difference between our work is ... and you asked for comments and many comments have been given ... they've just for the most part not being what you want to hear ...

Well it looks like someone is going to the live shows in LONDON!

WHOOOOOOOT!

cast_iron

OP, if you are serious about your business, take that site down asap. It looks very, very amateurish. Really. A secondary level student could do better.

If you can't see that, you need to take along hard look at yourself. Everyone here has said your site needs work and not up to professional standard.

And TheGooner is dead right not brandying about his work he's done for his clients. An amateur wouldn't think anything of it, but a pro would have more respect for his work. (Oh, and for all I know, TheGooner's sites could be rubbish, but that's not the point here)

forbairt

There are certain things I can't talk about because of NDA's ... and also because customers want people to think its done inhouse ... I'm fine with that ... for others as well its the same so asking for examples of peoples work can be a bit tricky

Tzetze

Are you tired of being quoted ridiculous for the design of a site.
...ererging technologies...
...here's just some of the many... (singularising a plural)
Customer service with a simile (this one is my favourite)


I'd be delighted to find my €5k site full of these types of errors.

mastermind2005

very curious about his actual prices...

Bananna man

How can you criticize what he can offer to his clients? Have you not read the glowing testimonials????? Sounds like they know what they are doing :rolleyes:

Ziycon

Shambles of a site!!
No one here has to prove their work or credibility either to you or anyone else! You came here asking for feedback and you got it so calm down when professionals in the web design and development industry tell you the truth and the facts!

zAbbo

CSS or XHTML is not Valid

And 'copywrite' is spelled 'copyright'