Burma crisis.

Deliverance

So 500,000 monks have had enough and are marching in Burma, a huge number of people are following them. There are apparently 500,000 soldiers waiting for them with guns. Bush is doing something, Brown is doing F' all as yet. Early days yet, anyone following this and concerned by the possible outcome?

It is not just an issue which should be moved to some obscure forum topic, it is an issue which could potentially effect 'everyone' in a moral sense at the very least. It is potentially a worldwide crisis in all respects and is very tense at the moment. I think personally that this is an opurtunity for the media in all it's respects should be able to show it's power by folks announcing their outrage at the Burma governments treatment of it's citezens.

At the moment the whole thing is being slightly sidetracked and used passionately by stupid acedemics who are promoting their 'I was right' about the last war, ie Iraq. Give me a break the issue right here and now is the second 'Burma Crisis'. Any opinions on this, idiots and stupid comments, stay away.

Rb

Nuke 'em George

Dyr

Are they kung fu monks?

johnnyskeleton

I think it's great because the only way there can be effective political change or real democracy is if the people fight for it.

How are people comparing the events in Myanmar to the Iraq war?

MooseJam

everybody was kung fu fighting

arybvtcw0eolkf

Do they come from a silent order of monks?.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

good luck to them peacefully overthrowing a military dictatorship, maybe after they're done they can moonwalk to mars

Jesus Wept

MooseJam wrote:

everybody was kung fu fighting

as Pa Trout would of said

'one kick to the bollix is worth all the kung fu in China'

or in this case, Burma.

johnnyskeleton

Mordeth wrote:

good luck to them peacefully overthrowing a military dictatorship, maybe after they're done they can moonwalk to mars

The monks possibly think that the government has lost it's claws - as often happens with long term junta government. Plus, if the army attack the monks it might provoke a reaction from the not so peace loving populance and among the army itself.

AlmightyCushion

So 500,000 guys with guns are going to take on 500,000 kung fu monks. This is gonna be sweet. It'll be like a massive version of the matrix. I wish I was there to see it.

Deliverance

johnnyskeleton wrote:

I think it's great because the only way there can be effective political change or real democracy is if the people fight for it.

How are people comparing the events in Myanmar to the Iraq war?

They are refreshing the debate about world intervention on issues which are high in the media. The whole question of intervention is being brought forward which is kind of ridiculous in the sense of the Iraq war as that was a totally different issue in one respect (we all know it was an economic issue). At the same time it was moral and ethical, but the economic issue outweighed and dictated the other issues which were used to gain public support.

The issue in Burma is something different and much more powerful from a moral and ethical point of view, how our governments will react to this pressure of incredible injustice? Now that is the scary part. If enough people get behind this issue then maybe something will be done. I believe that this is what the Burmese Monks are doing at the moment. The soldiers are afraid of them to a point because of the belief which is behind them, that in a way is what it is all about.

Deliverance

johnnyskeleton wrote:

The monks possibly think that the government has lost it's claws - as often happens with long term junta government. Plus, if the army attack the monks it might provoke a reaction from the not so peace loving populance and among the army itself.

The country is rife with ethnic cleansing and murder, the monks have had enough and have decided to do something about it at last. Hopefullly they will have back up from the world.

Manic Moran

The monks will have an advantage, I think, due to their revered position in local society. A lot of those 500,000 soldiers with guns will be Bhuddists themselves, and may not take too kindly to the idea of beating up on the monks.

NTM

Deliverance

Manic Moran wrote:

The monks will have an advantage, I think, due to their revered position in local society. A lot of those 500,000 soldiers with guns will be Bhuddists themselves, and may not take too kindly to the idea of beating up on the monks.

NTM

Aung Sung Suu Kyi, was a great example of this, the soldiers (government puppets) were not able to shoot her dead, though they did silence her by house arrest. Now there are 500,000 Aung Sung Suu Kyis' loose on the streets. Something has to give and by the way things are going I feel a massive support from the so called free world will force a change. We will see how it goes.

Ps are people aware of Aung Sung Suu Kyi's nobel peace prize award? She also has freedom of Cork City as a mark of respect for her achievments by the Irish people.

homah_7ft

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055155536 will give you a thread without the AH style comments.

MooseJam

op why all the interest in burma, are you from there ?

Dave!

Well it's not every day you get 500,000 monks facing off with a military junta... It's pretty big news, like...

MooseJam

I wonder did they all bring provisions or will they have to go home for lunch

Nehpets

AlmightyCushion wrote:

So 500,000 guys with guns are going to take on 500,000 kung fu monks. This is gonna be sweet. It'll be like a massive version of the matrix. I wish I was there to see it.

I've got 2 weekend camping tickets! Only the price of a small car! You'll have to get your own tent though!

AlmightyCushion

Nehpets wrote:

I've got 2 weekend camping tickets! Only the price of a small car! You'll have to get your own tent though!

It sounds like this Burmese matrix thingey is organised by a certain promoter whose name shall not be mentioned.

Jigsaw

Where's estebancambias?

AlmightyCushion

Jigsaw wrote:

Where's estebancambias?

The clue is in the name.

Mexicola

Deliverance wrote:

Bush is doing something

Must be some oil involved then!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Jigsaw wrote:

Where's estebancambias?

With us on the Martial Arts forum now, apparently he wants to be a pro-wrestler these days :rolleyes:

Oh the monks, I'll say it before Ruu ... ... "Fvck the monks, will some please think of the children".

SimpleSam06

Deliverance wrote:

So 500,000 monks have had enough and are marching in Burma, a huge number of people are following them. There are apparently 500,000 soldiers waiting for them with guns. Bush is doing something, Brown is doing F' all as yet. Early days yet, anyone following this and concerned by the possible outcome?

In fairness, the main reason that western leaders get involved is when they have something to gain from getting involved. Hence, Rwandans get massacred, Iraqis get invaded. I wager the Chinese are up to their elbows in it though.

Mahatma coat

You know you've got a corrupt evil unsalvagable regieme when half a million buddhist monks atack you

Black Swan

Deliverance wrote:

I think personally that this is an opurtunity for the media in all it's respects should be able to show it's power by folks announcing their outrage at the Burma governments treatment of it's citezens.

Surely you jest? Rely on the media? That so called "profession" that only stays in business if it makes a profit off advertising? Get real!

Deliverance wrote:

Any opinions on this, idiots and stupid comments, stay away.

B!ue looks at the top of the screen to confirm the forum. This is AH?;)

Dirty Dave

http://www.gubuwire.com/?p=268

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Nehpets wrote:

I've got 2 weekend camping tickets! Only the price of a small car! You'll have to get your own tent though!

Post reported.

Trying to sell tickets, go to Adverts.ie ffs.

Also, I think this event is being organised by that company we can't mention, so I reported the post twice.

ejmaztec

Would bashing a monk be the same as bashing the bishop in this part of the world? 500,000? Messy.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah, I don't even want to imagine ireland with 500,000 bishops

Dyr

I guess if an oblivion gate opens up the army might be distracted

Dyr

oh wait, thats bruma...

MOH

Deliverance wrote:

Bush is doing something

"President Bush yesterday announced new US sanctions against Burma, accusing the military dictatorship of imposing “a 19-year reign of fear” that denies basic freedoms of speech, assembly and worship."


Right. So they were already 12 years into this reign of fear when he took up his presidency, and he's only getting around to doing something about it now?
Obviously high on his agenda.

lezizi

Dirty Dave wrote:

http://www.gubuwire.com/?p=268

Terrorisy monks, i have heard it all now

MOH

Bambi wrote:

oh wait, thats bruma...

OK, I LOL'd

Dudess

estebancambias couldn't be here today but he asked me to pass on this message:
"Monks rebelling? How impudent of them! May there be a Tiananmen Square-style retaliation. Hail the glorious regime of Burma! Now THERE'S a society we could learn from - where citizens learn manners and respect and everyone's happy. Ditto Zimbabwe, and Chile under Pinochet. That is all."

Terry

Dudess wrote:

estebancambias couldn't be here today but he asked me to pass on this message:
"Monks rebelling? How impudent of them! May there be a Tiananmen Square-style retaliation. Hail the glorious regime of Burma! Now THERE'S a society we could learn from - where citizens learn manners and respect and everyone's happy. Ditto Zimbabwe and Chile under Pinochet. That is all."

Careful now.

popebenny16

They weren't bad for their time.

Wishfull Thinking, that was them.

Oh, Burma Crisis. Sorry.

Wasn't there a filling station chain called Burmah in the 70's? Maybe George B is rushing to help them out.

MOH

Dudess wrote:

Ditto Zimbabwe and Chile under Pinochet. That is all."

Zimbabwe under Pinochet? When was that?

Dudess

And I give out about people not using commas.

Fixed.

HammerHeadGym

I'm in that neck of the woods right now, and the atmos is a wee bit tense. There were 2 monks killed earlier today and the word peaceful is being left out of the term peaceful protest now.
The burmese I've been talking too are praying for Dubya to step in and flex his mighty penis.

SimpleSam06

HammerHeadGym wrote:

The burmese I've been talking too are praying for Dubya to step in and flex his mighty penis.

He'll piss off the Chinese if he does that, and he doesn't want another Korea on his hands, never mind that the Chinese own lots and lots of his debt.

But China's ties with the military junta ruling Burma go deep, and include expanding trade links, the sale of military hardware and diplomatic support.

"In the last decade or two, with the improving economic situation in China and the increasing isolation of Burma, China has become increasingly important to the regime," said a spokesman for the Asian Human Rights Commission, based in Hong Kong.

The relationship between Burma and China is mainly based on trade. Burma, which has very little industry itself, imports manufactured goods from China.

"If you walk around the streets in Burma, particularly in the north, the overwhelming majority of manufactured goods are Chinese made," said the commission spokesman, who regularly visits Burma.

That trade is reflected in official Chinese figures, which show that exports from China to Burma were up by 50% in the first seven months of this year. They were worth $964m (£479m).

According to research published a few days ago by EarthRights International, 26 Chinese multinational firms were involved in 62 major projects in Burma over the last decade.

These include the construction of oil and gas pipelines stretching 2,380km (1,479 miles) from Burma's Arakan coast to China's Yunnan Province.

The rights group, based in the United States and South East Asia, says this is to help China import oil and gas from the Middle East, Africa and South America.

Official Chinese figures say total imports from Burma amounted to just $146m in the first seven months of this year.

But others doubt the accuracy of these figures. Rights group Global Witness estimated timber exports to China alone were worth $350m in 2005 - most of it illegally exported.

China also sells Burma military hardware, according to the Asian Human Rights Commission.

And Beijing used its veto in the United Nations' Security Council in January to block criticism of Burma's military junta.

So basically pigs will fly out of dubyas arse before he takes any active involvement in Burma. Remember, when those monks are being gunned down in the streets, theres a "made in china" sticker on the side of the rifle.

Deliverance

Seems that at the moment the ball is China's court. With the Olympics coming up, that might be a motivation for them to have a quiet word in the Juntas' ear. Maybe the threat of heavy economic sanctions will work their is still a deadlock to be resolved though. Hopefully the monks will get some reasonable demands met for now.

It will still be a landmark victory for their stolen democracy though if the monks get their way. Hopefully some kind of internal change can be realised and brought about eventually. The massacre and attempted media blackout in 1988 was F'ing attrocious.

It is scary though as their seems to be two obvious sides with interests in this country ie China, India and the Russians vs the US Britain and Europe. Watching this drama unfold with keen interest it has implications on many levels.