What was our anthem in the 1987 World Cup?

Snickers Man

One of the things that really pisses me off about radio phone-in or text-in shows is the number of whingers who keep asking "Why don't they play our national anthem at the World Cup?" and the number of dopey radio hosts who don't know the answer.

Which is:

We NEVER played our national anthem before a rugby match away from home. EVER.

It's part of the attitude, I wouldn't say a deal, that pervades rugby in this country and allows a united cross-border, cross-community team to flourish. I have no problem with the arrangement.

But I have a query. Ireland's Call was written for the 1995 World Cup. in the previous World Cup, all bar one of Ireland's games were played in Lansdowne Road, so no problem with playing Amrhan na bhFiann there.

But in 1987, the World Cup was played in Australia/New Zealand. The arrangement at the time was that during Ireland internationals, only the home team's anthem was played. but for matches that were officially at neutral venues, what, if anything, was the anthem that was played before Ireland matches?

i think I remember hearing or reading that we did have one, an old song that had been around for a while. Anybody know?

Ham Slicer

Rose of Tralee.

I believe there was a bit of a scramble to find something to play at the match and a copy of the Rose of Tralee was found in a record shop so they went with that.

jameshayes

lol...i could imagine a load of irish flicking through records trying to find one!

but on a serious note, i was only a baby, i cant remember...

Scobius90

no its true .... it was deffo some James Last piece which I think was The Rose of Tralee

makes you think what the IRFU were like back in the amateur days.
Mind you some would argue that much hasn't changed

thirtyfoot

I think they used Danny Boy, not certain though.

jameshayes

those 2 songs would really fill you with determination and pride!

Snickers Man

I wasn't sure whether it was the Rose of Tralee or the Last Rose of Summer.

They both suck, but then so do both of our "official" anthems.

Mind you, so do most country's anthems. Especially in the RWC.

The only honourable exceptions are the Welsh, French and Italian.

Musically speaking, of course.

marco_polo

Official confirmation for the Rose of Tralee.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/worldcup2007/moments1987.html

MikeHoncho

Snickers Man wrote:

I wasn't sure whether it was the Rose of Tralee or the Last Rose of Summer.

They both suck, but then so do both of our "official" anthems.

Mind you, so do most country's anthems. Especially in the RWC.

The only honourable exceptions are the Welsh, French and Italian.

Musically speaking, of course.

What you crazy?? Flower of Scotland has to be the best National Anthem going.

O Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
Your like again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.

The Hills are bare now,
And Autumn leaves
lie thick and still,
O'er land that is lost now,
Which those so dearly held,
That stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.


Those days are past now,
And in the past
they must remain,
But we can still rise now,
And be the nation again,
That stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.

O Flower of Scotland,
When will we see
your like again,
That fought and died for,
Your wee bit Hill and Glen,
And stood against him,
Proud Edward's Army,
And sent him homeward,
Tae think again.

Its about giving the English a good stuffing.

I will agree that the Italians and French have great ones though. And I really hate all those new world national anthems the NZ one is awfull.

Ulstermell0

not sure if you've seen the recent letters flying about at the belfast telegraph some idiot i'm sorry to say from my home town saying they should play god save the queen at ireland matches!! anyone who wants to hear the English national anthem before an ireland match is clearly not an irish rugby fan.

i think irelands call is a decent enough comprimise - its easy to remember easy to sing and at least a bit rousing.

Ulstermell0

yes i agree flower of scotland is good and has quite anice tune to it

shrapnel222

Tingle wrote:

I think they used Danny Boy, not certain though.

I actually remember, i think it was at the seoul olympics (not sure), an irish boxer winning the gold, and they suddenly realised they did not have an anthem for him, so a guy stood up and started singing Danny boy, silence fell,everyone stood up and listened to him sing. twas a great moment in sports!!;)

Zambia

Ulstermell0 wrote:

not sure if you've seen the recent letters flying about at the belfast telegraph some idiot i'm sorry to say from my home town saying they should play god save the queen at ireland matches!! anyone who wants to hear the English national anthem before an ireland match is clearly not an irish rugby fan.

i think irelands call is a decent enough comprimise - its easy to remember easy to sing and at least a bit rousing.

Would be a tad confusing playing England ?

Ulstermell0

Ulstermell0 wrote:

yes i agree flower of scotland is good and has quite anice tune to it

Great tune, I had the whole pub singing that when we were watching the France Scotland match in the six nations:D

Snickers Man

Ulstermell0 wrote:

not sure if you've seen the recent letters flying about at the belfast telegraph some idiot i'm sorry to say from my home town saying they should play god save the queen at ireland matches!! anyone who wants to hear the English national anthem before an ireland match is clearly not an irish rugby fan.

They used to. When the game was played in Belfast. I think it's one of the reasons why they stopped playing them there, because the southern guys thought it was a compromise too far. That and the fact that the RUC objected to people bringing along tricolours because of the famous Flags & Emblems Act.

Actually, the playing of God Save the Queen is not as jaw-dropping as might first appear. It was the anthem that was played for Scotland's home matches until quite recently. The 1980s, I believe. In fact, Flower of Scotland might not have come into vogue until after Scotland won their Grand Slam in 1984.

My abiding memory of Murrayfield anthems was God Save the Queen played to the accompaniment of mass whistling.


And I must confess to being in the small minority who thinks Flower of Scotland is a crock. It's a WALTZ FFS!!!!

How can you have a stirring national anthem with an um-ching-ching um-ching-ching beat?

Muck.

Linford

shrapnel222 wrote:

I actually remember, i think it was at the seoul olympics (not sure), an irish boxer winning the gold, and they suddenly realised they did not have an anthem for him, so a guy stood up and started singing Danny boy, silence fell,everyone stood up and listened to him sing. twas a great moment in sports!!;)

We didn't win any medals in Seoul in 1988 and the only boxing gold medal winner was Michael Carruth and the Irish national anthem was played at Barcelona in 1992. You are probably thinking of Barry McGuigan, his father used to sing "Danny Boy" in the ring before his fights.

Jilm

shrapnel222 wrote:

I actually remember, i think it was at the seoul olympics (not sure), an irish boxer winning the gold, and they suddenly realised they did not have an anthem for him, so a guy stood up and started singing Danny boy, silence fell,everyone stood up and listened to him sing. twas a great moment in sports!!;)

It was when Northern Ireland won a gold in boxing during the 1990 Commonwealth games in Auckland, New Zealand. From memory, the playback of the anthem kept mucking up during the medal award ceremony so the boxers coach sang Danny Boy instead.

ZiggyStardust

The boxer in question was Wayne McCullogh and the sound guy sang Danny Boy when the Public address system failed.
Hilarious.

philstar

the rose of tralee and Danny Boy were used in the 1987 world cup.

I think Danny Boy would be a good compromise, but its a wee bit too long and a tad down-beat.

I agree with the OP, all this talk about Amrhan na bhFiann is not helpful and distracting esp at this important time.

As i said before ive seen Ireland play crap loads of times in Dublin, and this after Amrhan na bhFiann being played, so i think it will make F&ck all difference.

Amrhan na bhFiann is the anthem for the republic not the island of ireland.

ironingbored

Isn't Danny Boy (Londonderry Air) sung/claimed by protestants too? Imagine 80,000 people belting it out.

Hagar

Linford wrote:

You are probably thinking of Barry McGuigan, his father used to sing "Danny Boy" in the ring before his fights

ZiggyStardust wrote:

The boxer in question was Wayne McCullogh.

The boxer in question was actually Barry "The Clones Cyclone" McGuigan. Although born in Clones Co. Monaghan he took a Bitish passort to secure himself a title fight. The British sporting authorities like to have "British" Champions winning titles like South African Zola Bud for instance. He left himself in the position that he couldn't play either national anthems and ended up with the "Danny Boy" abomination. From then on he was often referred to as not Barry "The Clones Cyclone" McGuigan but Barry "The Brit" McGuigan.

Sorry for going off topic just wanted to set the record straight.

philstar

Hagar wrote:

he couldn't play either national anthems and ended up with the "Danny Boy" abomination. From then on he was often referred to as not Barry "The Clones Cyclone" McGuigan but Barry "The Brit" McGuigan.

Sorry for going off topic just wanted to set the record straight.

he was called Barry the Brit by the fleet street press, not the irish public.

anyway Danny Boy was not an abomination it was a good compromise that both sides (catholic + protestant) sung with gusto.

and thats what we need with the irish rugby team a compromise anthem

Hagar

philstar wrote:

he was called Barry the Brit by the fleet street press, not the irish public.

If you say so.:rolleyes: Any links to back that up. I thought they were proud of a great British boxer, when he was winning of course. Then of course he did Panto, Snow White with Frank Carson if I remember correctly. I think he was back being Irish then.:D

philstar wrote:

anyway Danny Boy was not an abomination it was a good compromise that both sides (catholic + protestant) sung with gusto.

Don't cod yourself, the two sides can even agree on the proper name of the song.

philstar wrote:

and thats what we need with the irish rugby team a compromise anthem

It's not an anthem unless it's associated with a nation, otherwise it's just another rugby song. I suppose we should be grateful that it's a clean rugby song.:D

moe_sizlak

Snickers Man wrote:

They used to. When the game was played in Belfast. I think it's one of the reasons why they stopped playing them there, because the southern guys thought it was a compromise too far. That and the fact that the RUC objected to people bringing along tricolours because of the famous Flags & Emblems Act.

Actually, the playing of God Save the Queen is not as jaw-dropping as might first appear. It was the anthem that was played for Scotland's home matches until quite recently. The 1980s, I believe. In fact, Flower of Scotland might not have come into vogue until after Scotland won their Grand Slam in 1984.

My abiding memory of Murrayfield anthems was God Save the Queen played to the accompaniment of mass whistling.


And I must confess to being in the small minority who thinks Flower of Scotland is a crock. It's a WALTZ FFS!!!!

How can you have a stirring national anthem with an um-ching-ching um-ching-ching beat?

Muck.

i would have thought that GOD SAVE THE QUEEN would have been welcomed by and large at murrayfield , scottish rugby fans in general would be anything but scottish nationalists , they would not be as millitantyly unionist as rangers fans but they would be generally true britts by and large

moe_sizlak

ZiggyStardust wrote:

The boxer in question was Wayne McCullogh and the sound guy sang Danny Boy when the Public address system failed.
Hilarious.

if aran na bhiann was played after wayne mc cullagh won the bronze at the 1992 olympics in barcalona , the guy wouldnt have been able to return home to his home in the SHANKILL , wayne mc cullagh does not identify himself as irish , perhaps athletes from the unionist community in northern ireland represent ireland at the olympics rather than for great britain

RuggieBear

erm...rugby forum folks...?

Zzippy

RuggieBear wrote:

erm...rugby forum folks...?

What, rugby? Thought this was a musical boxing forum...

Hagar

Surry Ruggie, got a bit carried away.

Big Ears

Hagar wrote:

The boxer in question was actually Barry "The Clones Cyclone" McGuigan. Although born in Clones Co. Monaghan he took a Bitish passort to secure himself a title fight. The British sporting authorities like to have "British" Champions winning titles like South African Zola Bud for instance. He left himself in the position that he couldn't play either national anthems and ended up with the "Danny Boy" abomination. From then on he was often referred to as not Barry "The Clones Cyclone" McGuigan but Barry "The Brit" McGuigan.

Sorry for going off topic just wanted to set the record straight.

Sorry for going off-topic once more however Ziggystardust was indeed right .
Barry's father used to sing Danny Boy after Barry's professional fights but this has nothing to do with the 1990 Commonwealth games in Auckland where McCullough won gold . In the medal ceremony there was a technical problem with the PA system(which was meant to be playing Danny Boy) so New Zealand official Bob Gibson went into the ring and sang Danny Boy himself .

Now back to the rugby .

Rattlehead_ie

Sorry guys.


Kinda off topic but for tomorrow

For all the threads

COME ON IRELAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eldeabroad

MikeHoncho wrote:

What you crazy?? Flower of Scotland has to be the best National Anthem going.

Its about giving the English a good stuffing.

The Soldier's Song - Words / Lyrics


We'll sing a song, a soldier's song,
With cheering rousing chorus,
As round our blazing fires we throng,
The starry heavens o'er us;
Impatient for the coming fight,
And as we wait the morning's light,
Here in the silence of the night,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

Chorus:
Soldiers are we , whose lives are pledged to Ireland;
Some have come from a land beyond the wave.
Sworn to be free, No more our ancient sire land
Shall shelter the despot or the slave.
Tonight we man the gap of danger
In Erin's cause, come woe or weal
'Mid cannons' roar and rifles peal,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

In valley green, on towering crag,
Our fathers fought before us,
And conquered 'neath the same old flag
That's proudly floating o'er us.
We're children of a fighting race,
That never yet has known disgrace,
And as we march, the foe to face,
We'll chant a soldier's song.

Chorus

Sons of the Gael! Men of the Pale!
The long watched day is breaking;
The serried ranks of Inisfail
Shall set the Tyrant quaking.
Our camp fires now are burning low;
See in the east a silv'ry glow,
Out yonder waits the Saxon foe,
So chant a soldier's song.



Amhrán na bhFiann

Seo dhibh a cháirde duan Óglaigh,
Cathréimeach briomhar ceolmhar,
Ár dtinte cnámh go buacach táid,
'S an spéir go min réaltogach
Is fonnmhar faobhrach sinn chun gleo
'S go tiúnmhar glé roimh thíocht do'n ló
Fé chiúnas chaomh na hoiche ar seol:
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

Curfá:

Sinne Fianna Fáil
A tá fé gheall ag Éirinn,
buion dár slua
Thar toinn do ráinig chugainn,
Fé mhóid bheith saor.
Sean tír ár sinsir feasta
Ní fhagfar fé'n tiorán ná fé'n tráil
Anocht a théam sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun báis nó saoil
Le guna screach fé lámhach na bpiléar
Seo libh canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

Cois bánta réidhe, ar árdaibh sléibhe,
Ba bhuachach ár sinsir romhainn,
Ag lámhach go tréan fé'n sár-bhrat séin
Tá thuas sa ghaoith go seolta
Ba dhúchas riamh d'ár gcine cháidh
Gan iompáil siar ó imirt áir,
'S ag siúl mar iad i gcoinne námhad
Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

Curfá

A bhuíon nách fann d'fhuil Ghaeil is Gall,
Sin breacadh lae na saoirse,
Ta scéimhle 's scanradh i gcroíthe namhad,
Roimh ranna laochra ár dtire.
Ár dtinte is tréith gan spréach anois,
Sin luisne ghlé san spéir anoir,
'S an bíobha i raon na bpiléar agaibh:
Seo libh, canaídh Amhrán na bhFiann.

Curfá


pretty good stirring stuff:D too dont ya reckon.......

mayfire

Snickers Man wrote:

I wasn't sure whether it was the Rose of Tralee or the Last Rose of Summer.

They both suck, but then so do both of our "official" anthems.

Mind you, so do most country's anthems. Especially in the RWC.

The only honourable exceptions are the Welsh, French and Italian.

Musically speaking, of course.

Maybe they should sing "The Last Ruck of Summer" tonight??

Ulstermell0

moe_sizlak wrote:

i would have thought that GOD SAVE THE QUEEN would have been welcomed by and large at murrayfield , scottish rugby fans in general would be anything but scottish nationalists , they would not be as millitantyly unionist as rangers fans but they would be generally true britts by and large

sorry but being a true brit (and i'm not saying that i am) does not mean you want to sing the english national anthem. many welsh are happy to be part of britain cant see them singing god save the queen!

Danie Gerber

You want compromise?

Try the South African anthem... Six of the 11 official languages, incorporating two wildly different songs, one of which is sung in 4 different languages, the other in two and it is, as a result, the only anthem in the world that starts and ends in a different key!

Mad stuff...

Just imagine, you could make up a song that's a mix-match between Danny Boy, Ireland's Call, God Save The Queen and why not Fiddler On The Roof and sing it in English and in Irish... Nice...

Cool_CM

Danie Gerber wrote:

Just imagine, you could make up a song that's a mix-match between Danny Boy, Ireland's Call, God Save The Queen and why not Fiddler On The Roof and sing it in English and in Irish... Nice...

There's an idea, we could get the backing band from "You're a Star" or the Lyrics Board to arrange a medley and get Shane Byrne, Brent Pope and Brian Kennedy to sing it, obviously it would incorparate all the above songs and maybe more. Might even be able to convince a few billy barry kids to join the mix and coreograph some moves, rent a studio, release it as a single and use the proceeds to help rte get rugby coverage back! would have to start arranging this now though seeing as the match is hours away, but for next years 6 nations a definate possibility!:D

LuckyLloyd

Ulstermell0 wrote:

i think irelands call is a decent enough comprimise - its easy to remember easy to sing and at least a bit rousing.

See the Argentinian boys with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out their anthem before getting stuck in to the French?

See the Irish team in Croke Park against England with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out the anthem before getting stuck in to the English?


Ever see anyone with tears in their eyes during Ireland's call?

What a joke of a song. And a slight disadvantage to any Irish Rugby team.

philstar

LuckyLloyd wrote:

See the Irish team in Croke Park against England with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out the anthem before getting stuck in to the English?


Ever see anyone with tears in their eyes during Ireland's call?

What a joke of a song. And a slight disadvantage to any Irish Rugby team.

as i said before........ive seen ireland play absolutley sh$te loads of times at landsdowne rd, and that after AnB was played.

How about back in 2003 when england thrashed us by 40 pts in Dublin, AnB did'nt help us that day did it??

Anyone who thinks the national anthem will transform a team is just fooling themselves, they're either good enough or not end of story.

Ulstermell0

LuckyLloyd wrote:

See the Argentinian boys with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out their anthem before getting stuck in to the French?

See the Irish team in Croke Park against England with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out the anthem before getting stuck in to the English?


Ever see anyone with tears in their eyes during Ireland's call?

What a joke of a song. And a slight disadvantage to any Irish Rugby team.

nope and I don't want to they're rugby players not footballers - it can be forgiven in the first match against england at croke, just.

The rest of the time leave that overemotion in the locker room please.

Irelands call is not the best but like i said its not to bad as a comprimise maybe a quick rendition of the sash would bring a tear to neil bests eye (quite probably it wouldnt) but would you like them to play that at the beginning of very match?

"Sure l'm an Ulster Orangeman, from Erin's isle I came,
To see my British brethren all of honour and of fame,
And to tell them of my forefathers who fought in days of yore,
That I might have the right to wear, the sash my father wore!"

no thought not!

anyway enough of the anthem bollocks - just over 5 hours to go - wanna get out of work early and down the bar!

Danie Gerber

Anthems are important lads, not because of the songs they are but because of what they represent.

A rugby match is like a small war, and anthems, jerseys, colors are all things that binds players and supporters together. You scream for Ireland, because your Irish and you're proud of it and you want you and yours to be the best.

Anthems are part of that.

Hrududu

See the Argentinian boys with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out their anthem before getting stuck in to the French?

See the Irish team in Croke Park against England with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests and roared out the anthem before getting stuck in to the English?


Ever see anyone with tears in their eyes during Ireland's call?

What a joke of a song. And a slight disadvantage to any Irish Rugby team.

Any team that requires a song to get them riled up for a game is not a professional team. And there were plenty of teams with tears in their eyes while they pounded their chests that went on to get beaten in games.

Richard

Jilm wrote: »

It was when Northern Ireland won a gold in boxing during the 1990 Commonwealth games in Auckland, New Zealand. From memory, the playback of the anthem kept mucking up during the medal award ceremony so the boxers coach sang Danny Boy instead.

And the anthem for NI in the Commonwealth Games is Danny Boy anyway. It sounds very stirring when NI wins a medal.

Richard

ironingbored wrote: »

Isn't Danny Boy (Londonderry Air) sung/claimed by protestants too? Imagine 80,000 people belting it out.

Yes - there may be issues, because it has become particularly associated with Northern Ireland (because the tune originated in Limavady) and it is one of the few NI tunes which IS cross community.

Personally I think it should be used for NI football.

Trojan

Snickers, I know it was started in good faith, but for gawd sake, you must have realised!

If anyone wants to discuss anthems go to the Music forums.