Playing pairs vs Raiser OOP

Primewise

I feel I played both of these hands very weak and proba bly should have folded earlier in both hands.

Should I be set mining (check/folding if I miss), raising the flop to test if he has AK or else floating a blank turn?


Villains in hand 1 is 15/8/2.5 over 60 hands, seems solid

Hand 1
***** Hand History for Game 6340258078 *****
$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 19, 11:40:26 ET 2007
Table Table 126681 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: I_Sniff_Coke ( $394 USD )
Seat 1: primewise ( $463.90 USD )
Seat 2: bluffwithnut ( $362.86 USD )
Seat 4: Lady_Swan ( $832.40 USD )
Seat 3: OMGMissShepherd ( $711.30 USD )
Seat 5: Schundi2k ( $400 USD )
primewise posts small blind [$2 USD].
bluffwithnut posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to primewise [ Js Jc ]
OMGMissShepherd folds
Lady_Swan folds
Schundi2k folds
I_Sniff_Coke folds
primewise raises [$14 USD]
bluffwithnut raises [$40 USD]
primewise calls [$28 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qc, 3c, 2h ]
primewise checks
bluffwithnut bets [$75 USD]
primewise calls [$75 USD]
>You have options at Table 127441 Table!.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3h ]
primewise checks
>You have options at Table 127441 Table!.
bluffwithnut bets [$177 USD]
primewise folds
bluffwithnut does not show cards.
bluffwithnut wins $412 USD



Hand 2

Villan here is 21/15/1.3 , solid and I got the impression he would check behind on the turn if he had AK. Is my lead on the turn teribble?

***** Hand History for Game 6340266355 *****
$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, September 19, 11:43:29 ET 2007
Table Table 126681 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: I_Sniff_Coke ( $783 USD )
Seat 1: primewise ( $344.90 USD )
Seat 2: bluffwithnut ( $488.86 USD )
Seat 4: Lady_Swan ( $826.40 USD )
Seat 3: OMGMissShepherd ( $406 USD )
Seat 5: Schundi2k ( $394 USD )
I_Sniff_Coke posts small blind [$2 USD].
primewise posts big blind [$4 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to primewise [ 6s 6h ]
bluffwithnut folds
OMGMissShepherd raises [$14 USD]
Lady_Swan folds
Schundi2k folds
I_Sniff_Coke folds
primewise calls [$10 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3s, 2h, Ts ]
primewise checks
OMGMissShepherd bets [$22 USD]
primewise calls [$22 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7h ]
primewise bets [$40 USD]
OMGMissShepherd calls [$40 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
primewise checks
OMGMissShepherd bets [$70 USD]
primewise folds
OMGMissShepherd does not show cards.
OMGMissShepherd wins $221 USD

valor

you played the first hand fine. vs a normal tag I would 4 bet and call a shove though, considering its BVB

in the second hand I dont really like the turn lead, if you think he checks behindAK then just check yourself.

pok3rplaya

I dunno how much it's gonna matter exactly that it's BVB considering the guy is 15/8. Anyone who is clued into position raising isn't gonna have those stats in the first place. I'm only giving him a 99+, AQ+ range. We're 50/50 versus that range but I think if we 4bet and the money goes in we're going in as an underdog.

Second hand I usually just lead or c/f on the flop. Don't like the turn lead.

grey_abbey

1: Have you raised his blind recently? Re-raise pf if you have...Otherwise i check-raise flop or fold. Call-check-call-check is like asking to be pushed off the pot.

2: Check-raise flop >>> leading blank turn - both cost the same

Calling flop and leading blank turn is an odd line to me...

You haven't put either of you're opponent to any tough decisions by playing so passively and you haven't given yourself a chance to win the pot...

OOP sucks.

Primewise

it was the first time I've raised my SB since I normally just complete with AJ , AT type hands.



grey_abbey, checkraising flop sounds like best option. If he calls we can assume we are beaten I guess..

ianmc38

Hand 1 against someone like that I think your line is fine. Dont really like Valors advice about 4betting and callign a shove against a regualr tag. When we do that we're essentially turning JJ into a bluff as a TAGs range for 5 betting is going to be QQ+ and AK which has us crushed.

Hand 2 I'd bet fold the flop or sometimes check call and check fold the turn

pok3rplaya

Primewise wrote:

it was the first time I've raised my SB since I normally just complete with AJ , AT type hands.

Whoah plug that leak. I don't think you should ever complete in the SB. AT is an easy raise.

Van Dice

Hand 1 is fine

Hand 2 I usually either c/c flop, c/f turn, or bet/fold flop with no other reads on opponent. I think c/r flop is bad, because you turn a hand w/ SD value into a bluff v a passive opponent. You would be better off c/r total air on the flop than 66