CHLs Tournament hand.

Goodluck2me

Hand 1: i had only played 2 hands in about 40 mins before this AA where i flopped a house, and didnt show it. then TT i got a shortstack all in and won v A3o.
I raise to 500 blinds 75-150 with 78o, OTB when folded to me. Brian?? calls in the big blind.
flop is 8s9hJh, he checks i bet 1000. he calls. turn is 6c, he checks i check. river is As, he checks i bet 2500. he folds and i show, reckons he folded a ten.
He is then involved in a pot where he called a raise OOP v Irene and 3 barrelled with K4s and showed.

ANyway we are moved table, folded to me (7100) and i open with QT in the CO. Brian (8700) calls OTB.
Flop is 7cThJh. i check he bets 800, i call??
Turn is 3c and obvious blank, he bets 1600 i call??
River is Qs, whats my plan here?

NeoSlicerZ

I Crai.

cardshark202

crai for sure. But I would not have checked the flop thats for sure.

Goodluck2me

cardshark202 wrote:

crai for sure. But I would not have checked the flop thats for sure.

you crai on the river? you think hell call with a worse hand? what will he call with? i didnt want to bet/fold the flop and felt checking keeping it small was best for value.

mdwexford

I dont think you'll be CRAI as there is around 5700 in the middle and 4k effective stacks behind. He either shoves or checks behind. I just shove the river.

I also defo lead the flop.

Goodluck2me

mdwexford wrote:

I also defo lead the flop.

why exactly? and what if he raises

ditpoker

bet the flop. why are you calling? if you think your ten is ahead it is vulnerable, reraise. if you think your ten is behind fold. calling is bad here.

the turn changes nothing. river i probably lead into it but im not sure if i like betting into it. if he has a hand that beats us we're going broke 99% of the time here, if he has a hand that we beat we want to get as many of his chips in the middle. i'd bet 2k, he might call lighter than a push!?!??!

Captain Tom

i def just shove the river. given history he's prob gonna call you with stuff that he might check behind if you check (AJ/KJ/KQ,etc).

i like how you played the hand up till now cause i think bet/folding the flop sucks vs this guy.

Van Dice

I shove the river too, CRAI not possible really with the stack sizes as md said. Besides, I think he would check behind with any one pair hand, so you lose value there.

LuckyLloyd

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Hectorjelly

ditpoker wrote:

bet the flop. why are you calling? if you think your ten is ahead it is vulnerable, reraise. if you think your ten is behind fold. calling is bad here.

firstly calling is fine, and secondly he cant reraise

cardshark202

crai is possible, he bets and you raise all in; easy

ianmc38

cardshark202 wrote:

I would not have checked the flop thats for sure.

^

I'd open shove the river though.

Ace2007

i'd love to comment on this hand - but i seen what happened so it would be unfair....

you probably should have added that you made it 900 pre flop with ur raise, and that there was 1900 in the pot on the flop..... when watching the hand play out - his bettin patteren was kinda strange... like he bet 800 into a 1900 on the flop and then 1600 into a 3500 pot on the turn....which i did mention to you last nite...


just for the record you weren't in the CO either joe, cause brian was on the button, and tommy and rory(u know who i mean) were between yous...

Goodluck2me

Ace2007 wrote:

i'd love to comment on this hand - but i seen what happened so it would be unfair....

you probably should have added that you made it 900 pre flop with ur raise, and that there was 1900 in the pot on the flop..... when watching the hand play out - his bettin patteren was kinda strange... like he bet 800 into a 1900 on the flop and then 1600 into a 3500 pot on the turn....which i did mention to you last nite...


just for the record you weren't in the CO either joe, cause brian was on the button, and tommy and rory(u know who i mean) were between yous...

no the blinds were 100-200 and i made it 700 i know that for sure. i doubt the bet sizing matters that much tbg as it could just as easily be a weaker hand looking for value/bluffing.
I was effectively in the CO though as tommy had left the table and rory folded oot, i wasnt in the CO seat your correct.

IanMc wrote:

Id open shove the river

why? is it not better to let him hand himself with missed hearts type hands?

ditpoker wrote:

bet the flop. why are you calling? if you think your ten is ahead it is vulnerable, reraise. if you think your ten is behind fold. calling is bad here.

calling get me the maximum from the weaker hands and i lose the minimum when im crushed, i also felt if i showed weakness he`d be happy to pounce on it as i showed him an earlier bluff.

cardshark202 wrote:

crai

why?

Goodluck2me

bump

Van Dice

goodluck2me wrote:

Hand 1: i had only played 2 hands in about 40 mins before this AA where i flopped a house, and didnt show it. then TT i got a shortstack all in and won v A3o.
I raise to 500 blinds 75-150 with 78o, OTB when folded to me. Brian?? calls in the big blind.
flop is 8s9hJh, he checks i bet 1000. he calls. turn is 6c, he checks i check. river is As, he checks i bet 2500. he folds and i show, reckons he folded a ten.
He is then involved in a pot where he called a raise OOP v Irene and 3 barrelled with K4s and showed.

ANyway we are moved table, folded to me (7100) and i open with QT in the CO. Brian (8700) calls OTB.
Flop is 7cThJh. i check he bets 800, i call??
Turn is 3c and obvious blank, he bets 1600 i call??
River is Qs, whats my plan here?

I will take the shove river q

There is 6300 in the pot. You have 4000 left. The chips are def going in, just a matter of whether we think check-calling a shove is better than shoving ourselves.
Plus points for shoving
He checks behind so many hands that you beat that he can call a shove with.
As Lloyd said, the flush draw missed, so you should get called light.
Your line looks weird anyway.
If he had a str8 draw, he hit the Q, so will almost certainly call.
I don't think a missed fl draw is a big part of his range, so I don't think you lose much value by checking and hoping he bluffs

cardshark202

Hmm stupid boards. I responded as to why but it obv never posted. Hmm seems I misread stacks sizes a bit so yeah just shove river.

Goodluck2me

cardshark202 wrote:

Hmm stupid boards. I responded as to why but it obv never posted. Hmm seems I misread stacks sizes a bit so yeah just shove river.

fair enough, the reason i didnt bet the river was that i felt if i was ahead all along i should still be so now, fair enough he might check a fair few hands behind i also think there wasnt a chance he would let go of a chance to bet missed hearts as my line was so weak.
he bet 1900 on the river.
I check called the river and he had 89 for the flopped straight for those of you who like results.