Irelands No.1 internet poker player?

mrflash

I am just wondering, who would the knowledgeable people on boards rate as Irelands top internet poker player?
There are rankings but they don't give the whole picture, and from reading posts on here, i would guess that there is one particular gent who might be miles ahead of everyone.

zuutroy

mrflash wrote:

i would guess that there is one particular gent who might be miles ahead of everyone.

Don't worry, you can use my name

BigCityBanker

tis probably yourself.

mrflash

BigCityBanker wrote:

tis probably yourself.

why does this answer not surprise. an attempt at a sense of humour, but also try and belittle the poster.

White Knight

Tiger Woods

sikes

hailbut for cash seems like a good bet. rooneydives finished high up on the yearly tlb last year.

BigCityBanker

mrflash wrote:

why does this answer not surprise. an attempt at a sense of humour, but also try and belittle the poster.

not quite - its more of a how long is a piece of string type question?

The biggest winner is not necessarily the best player and vice versa.. my response was a "how can we tell" response?

Shortstack

Allinstevie probably for tournaments. Assuminh NI counts.

mrflash

BigCityBanker wrote:

not quite - its more of a how long is a piece of string type question?

The biggest winner is not necessarily the best player and vice versa.. my response was a "how can we tell" response?

Well then maybe you should read the question again.

BigCityBanker

mrflash wrote:

Well then maybe you should read the question again.

well then maybe you should be more specific in your question?

what metric are we to use?

The Al Lad

mrflash wrote:

I am just wondering, who would the knowledgeable people on boards rate as Irelands top internet poker player?
There are rankings but they don't give the whole picture, and from reading posts on here, i would guess that there is one particular gent who might be miles ahead of everyone.

That would be me !!!

ocallagh

Robin Lacey or halifish are two that spring to mind

mrflash

BigCityBanker wrote:

well then maybe you should be more specific in your question?

what metric are we to use?

I just asked who would people rate as no.1, and i stated that there are rankings out there but that they do not show the whole picture. So based on your knowledge of players, who would you rate Ireland's best?
And just so you know, the two highest ranked irish players on two of the ranking systems are not the biggest winners, they are rooneydives and greenrizla. But these rankings do not include cash play. Thats where the flaw in these ranking systems occurs, much as in live poker, you don't see the likes of Chip Reese and Todd Brunson as highly ranked as the likes of Scott Fischman and John Gale.
But yet you ask all the best pro's and they will tell you that these are two of the best players around.

Hitchhiker's Guide to...

Hectorjelly for consistency?

RasTa

Green riz, allinstevie and Ollie are 3 that spring to mind. Are we even talking tourneys here?

Oh and Nicky O'D for STT's of course.

ditpoker

RasTa wrote:

Oh and Nicky O'D for STT's of course.

L O L

LuckyLloyd

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David Michael

Halibut2 seems to be rather good.

One might suppose a good metric would be winnings. Be that tournie or cash.

DeVore

I've stood behind Halibut while he played Omaha... I dunno about other games but PLO, I dont think there's anyone else in his league long term.

I think long term you have to use winnings as score, everything else is conjecture after a point because you dont have the hard data to analyse.

DeV.

Norwich Fan Rob

halibut2 is in a class of his own

Goodluck2me

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

halibut2 is in a class of his own

its a little known fact that he got the 2 in Halibut2 from goodluck2me, he was originally going to go with ordinary halibut, but a talks breakthough brought a result.

I would imagine Marty Smith/smyth is up there with them too, presuming thats not who shortstack quoted. Eoin/donnacha o Dea also play nosebleed stakes in comparision to Rob/Valor.

Mellor

mrflash wrote:

And just so you know, the two highest ranked irish players on two of the ranking systems are not the biggest winners, they are rooneydives and greenrizla. But these rankings do not include cash play. Thats where the flaw in these ranking systems occurs,

Why would cash play be included? the leaderboards are tourney leader boards and never claim to be anything else. The players at the top are the best ranked tourney players, not the best ranked players.

phantom_lord

halibut2 by a mile i would have thought, does any other irish player play even close to nosebleed levels?

Mellor

goodluck2me wrote:

its a little known fact that he got the 2 in Halibut2 from goodluck2me, he was originally going to go with ordinary halibut, but a talks breakthough brought a result.

I would imagine Marty Smith/smyth is up there with them too, presuming thats not who shortstack quoted. Eoin/donnacha o Dea also play nosebleed stakes in comparision to Rob/Valor.

What happened in CHLs Joe, you were doing well at the break. Except in the riddles
I doubled up first hand after the break with 66 vrd AQ,
Next hand flopped top pair with KQ, ran into 33 for a set

BigCityBanker

Tom Hanlon has been a regular 25/50 omaha player for as long as I can remember. He appears to be running hot of late also. Conor Doyle another 25/50 player who won the Poker Million before it was known as the Poker Million (ie the reg sunday night stars tourney b4 they guaranteed it).

There are a host of very good players in both disciplines from the 3/6 - 10/20 range also. Too many to name here but you can be assured they win more than we do and we hear less about them than we talk of ourselves.

MrPillowTalk

Its going to get more and more difficult to find pubs with big enough doors to get halis head in if these threads keep proping up.

earthworms

greenrizla for me

Shortstack

phantom_lord wrote:

halibut2 by a mile i would have thought, does any other irish player play even close to nosebleed levels?

Plenty of them do. Lord H2 is just the most well known (and probably most successful).

Requiem4adream

earthworms wrote:

greenrizla for me

Yeah he's class. In terms of results and ability in online mtt , allinstevie is the best, dont think that's in question. Although he is a northener, so ill vote for Derek from the south. guy called Ubsolute on stars is quality also, not sure who he is.

Norwich Fan Rob

hali is still the best, at both cash and tourneys.
apart from crushing ivey and hansen and co in the highest cash games, hes only played about 2 live tourneys this year, 18th in the WSOP and 4th in the WSOPE !

BuChan

definitely a little known live player by the name of "scats" a keen motorcyclist and a poker master!

Requiem4adream

Norwich Fan Rob wrote:

hali is still the best, at both cash and tourneys.
apart from crushing ivey and hansen and co in the highest cash games, hes only played about 2 live tourneys this year, 18th in the WSOP and 4th in the WSOPE !

The problem with these type of questions - who is the no.1 player etc, the problem is in the question. Does no.1 mean best? and if it means best how do you define best? The best golfer in the world is Tiger Woods. His results and ability. Roger Federer in tennis. Results and ability.

Most other sports and indeed other things in life are very much subjective - who is the best footballer in the world? the best actor? the best singer?

Talent and ability is subjective too. I dont know who halibut2 is but they're impressive live results. Which is exactly the way it should be judged - on results. Clearly there is more to online mtt than just Stars but it is the premiere tournament site so the consistent results of guys like allinstevie and greenrizla for me stand out a mile.

The Al Lad

Requiem4adream wrote:

Yeah he's class. In terms of results and ability in online mtt , allinstevie is the best, dont think that's in question. Although he is a northener, so ill vote for Derek from the south. guy called Ubsolute on stars is quality also, not sure who he is.

he's from Donegal as far as I know

good player, played with hm before, think he came in top 70 in WCOOP event last week

greenrizzla sats seem to be prety good

Ollieboy

There as to be two ranking systems and maybe three

1. MTT's & STT's
2. Cash
3. STT's leaving MTT's on there own.

The problem with most ranking systems is they dont count the European sites, ie PocketFives, its all full-tilt, pokerstars etc. Most people would except that these are the biggest sites, but aim more at the American market than the European Market. But we all aggree that the best players in the world play on these sites, so this should be what we measure cash wins against, but most Irish players play on I-Poker and other European sites.

I would like to see sites like Ladbrokes, I-poker etc added to the pocket fives database and this to be the measurement for MTT's. As for cash, well can you ever have a measurement of this on pokersites due to name changes and account sharing etc. Similiar problems for MTT's etc.

Pocket fives does allow rankings to be sort by region etc.

As for the question, cash as to be O'Callaghan for his current year, MTT would be the Irish players leading on the PLB on stars etc for me. We must remember, full-time players have a big advantage over part-time players as they get the chance to play more games and are in better shape for these games due to lack of other work committments etc. I feel I would double my winnings easily if I was playing full-time.

I'm also delight to see more young Irish players making breaks into the international poker arena and the high standards that Andy as set over the last 2 years. I feel its only time before we have a big irish winner taking a EPT or something similiar.

carfax

Halibut 2
Tom Hanlon
Conor Doyle
Paddy O'Connor


Four that I know of that have an amazing record in online play.


lol at Mr.Flash getting into an argument about the question he asked. Good thread though, fair play to you....I hope you have many more.

Hitman Actual

Are leader boards, ranking systems, etc, really going to be much of a guide, though? I'm sure there are players who might be killing the game this year, but be a big loser next year, or vice-versa. Poker is too variance-heavy for accurate measurement systems to be put in place, imo.

I think as well that a lot of new players to the game see things like the Hendon Mob DB, etc, and think "wouldn't it be great to be listed there". But the more you're around the game, the more you become "Meh" about the whole ranking thing, and realise that it's just not that important.

LuckyLloyd

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luckylucky

lenny_leonard wrote:

Are leader boards, ranking systems, etc, really going to be much of a guide, though? I'm sure there are players who might be killing the game this year, but be a big loser next year, or vice-versa. Poker is too variance-heavy for accurate measurement systems to be put in place, imo.

Certain players are making a killing every year nonetheless and it's not purely by chance. Yeah there is variance of course, but there's skill factor as well, combined with good bankroll management(mine and many other platyers downfall) and good temperament which these consistent top players have.

Pinpointing who's best is probably a bit like Poker itself your dealing with fussy logic and best guesswork to come up with the right answer(s), it sounds like Halibut's got to be right up there though.

I think when it comes to tourney leader boards they could definitely be misleading, online sites rankings will skew the results to make it look like a half decent player who plays umpteen mtts a day is a great player, whereas someone who might play just 2 or 3 a week but has better resullts proportionally won't feature in the rankings.

RoundTower

it's not a tournament player.

Ollieboy

LuckyLloyd wrote:

The pocket fives leaderboard thing is a shambles. It is a well known fact that many of the top 100 are losing players in the long run - and over large sample sizes. The P5 board only takes into account how much you are winning - not how much you are spending and your ultimate ROI%. It's the same thing with the hendon mob, pokerpages or cardplayer databases.

What makes the mention of the likes of Greenrizla impressive is that tracking sites like OPR, etc are showing him to be consistently profitable over a large sample.

EDIT: I think there are a lot of players who could push onto that leaderboard if they started grinding tournaments full time and were willing to invest $100k + over six months. Whether they would make money from doing so is an entirely different question.

Lloyd thats not totally true, most of the players in the top 10 are up over 1/2 million for the year and I know this from talking to them and these are the players that dont need to make up stories etc.

The pocket fives is a ok ranking for measuring success in games, not profitability, but the question is how to measure. When we talk about Phil Helmuth, we talk about his 11 bracelets, nobody mentions that he's a terrible cash player or as never won a bracelet in anyother event. The point is to measure what people score, not loss.

But I accept your point, if you invest 100k and spend 6 months at it, I'm sure you could crack the top 100.

cooker3

Didn't Dave Colclough win european player of the year after having a losing year?

LuckyLloyd

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robinlacey

ocallagh wrote:

Robin Lacey or halifish are two that spring to mind

there's no way its me,i'm not even in the running! hopefully in a year or so i will be but certainly not now.

there's a couple of irish 10/20 and 25/50 regulars,no idea who they are in real life and i',m not sure how long they've been at the stakes or how successful they are,but probably a couple of them are long term winners and would be up there with halibut.

Mr.Plough

nearing your 1000th post robin. pooh bah i reckon :cool:

DEEP THROAT

It would have to be Flipper Walsh.......

:eek:

valor

In a year or so it'll clearlyyyy be Reggie

NickyOD

The Al Lad wrote:

he's from Donegal as far as I know

Who is he?

Goodluck2me

NickyOD wrote:

Who is he?

gavin.

Kobraki

Gotta be greenrizla for me too. His online MTT record speaks for itself, and ive played a hell of a lot with the guy in live cash games and tournaments too, and his feel for the game is as good as ive ever seen, although he will tell you himself that he's forgotten how to play live.

NickyOD

goodluck2me wrote:

gavin.

As much as I like Gavin, If he is up there with the best online I don't think the requirements are very tough.

cardshark202

valor wrote:

In a year or so it'll clearlyyyy be Reggie

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