Kerry will dominate next 10 years says Maughan

lukin

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=42794-qqqx=1.asp

John Maughan has said Kerry could dominate Gaelic football for the next 10 years if the back-door system is not scrapped.

What are everyone's thought's on this? The back door certainly hasn't done us any favours down here in Cork.
Only for it we would have won at least one more All-Ireland I think.

kaimera

Ah, another whinge about the back door system. I dunno..

Orizio

It must be pointed out that, not only is the current senior team quite young, Cork are very strong underage at both minor and under 21 level. Stronger then Kerry anyway, although Kerry do have some excellent youngsters like Walsh and Young.

Mr. Incognito

Kerry don't seem to have as much underage as they do at the seniors. They seem to pick younglads based on skill rather than size and suffer for it, but when those skillfull wee chaps grow up and bulk up they become very dangerous footballers as they are used to have been smaller than their opponents.

Gooch was about 5'8 as a minor, he shot up to 6'2 in the space of a year.

TheJesusWarrant

“And that’s not forgetting what happened to Mayo either. Kerry are undoubtedly a very good team but we are giving them twice the opportunity through the back-door, which they came through last year.”

What a bitter miserable individual. Does he not realise Mayo, like Kerry, like everyone else are given "twice the opportunity"
Listening to him, you'd swear Kerry are the only ones to benefit from the system.

blackbelt

Have to completely disagree with the scrapping of the back door system.I believe it throws an extra hurdle or two in Kerrys path to retain Sam as under the old system,a team would win their province and go automatically into the semi final.If Kerry win Munster,they have to play an extra match under the new system and if they lose in their provincial final,they have to play two extra matches.

Dublin has benefitted and lost out to the back door system.However,the back door system has also backfired on Kerry as in 2005.It doesn't advantage or disadvantage any team.I think it is a fair system even if it is hard to take being beaten by a qualifier team or more upsetting losing to a team that you previously beat in the provincial championship.Armagh,Longford and Cork are in the garden shed club of counties who fall under this unfortunate category.

Agamemnon

blackbelt wrote:

Armagh,Longford and Cork are in the garden shed club of counties who fall under this unfortunate category.

Cork have suffered from the back door system in football but we've benefited from it in hurling. We've lost Munster to Waterford only to beat them at a later stage a few times. Swings and roundabouts for us. Overall I also think it is a relatively fair system and it does give us more games to enjoy in the summer.

gucci

if maughan feels that way he should quit his high earning job with roscommon and spend his days fishing. he shouldnt stress himself trying to win an all ireland, hes proven for years he cant do that :rolleyes:

Marse

blackbelt wrote:

Have to completely disagree with the scrapping of the back door system.I believe it throws an extra hurdle or two in Kerrys path to retain Sam as under the old system,a team would win their province and go automatically into the semi final.If Kerry win Munster,they have to play an extra match under the new system and if they lose in their provincial final,they have to play two extra matches.

Dublin has benefitted and lost out to the back door system.However,the back door system has also backfired on Kerry as in 2005.It doesn't advantage or disadvantage any team.I think it is a fair system even if it is hard to take being beaten by a qualifier team or more upsetting losing to a team that you previously beat in the provincial championship.Armagh,Longford and Cork are in the garden shed club of counties who fall under this unfortunate category.

I have to agree. My thoughts are plain and simple. If a team is good enough to win an AI with the back door system, they’re good enough to win an AI without it.

Flukey

It may need, and has got, tweaking from time to time, but it has worked well overall. Letting the Leinster hurling champions straight into a semi-final next year, isn't a good idea. It is likely to be Kilkenny, and this just makes it even easier for them. The quarter-finals in hurling should be retained. The McCarthy Cup should not have a limit of 12 teams, but should be opened to whoever wants to compete in it.

pd101

blackbelt wrote:

Have to completely disagree with the scrapping of the back door system.I believe it throws an extra hurdle or two in Kerrys path to retain Sam as under the old system,a team would win their province and go automatically into the semi final.If Kerry win Munster,they have to play an extra match under the new system and if they lose in their provincial final,they have to play two extra matches.

Dublin has benefitted and lost out to the back door system.However,the back door system has also backfired on Kerry as in 2005.It doesn't advantage or disadvantage any team.I think it is a fair system even if it is hard to take being beaten by a qualifier team or more upsetting losing to a team that you previously beat in the provincial championship.Armagh,Longford and Cork are in the garden shed club of counties who fall under this unfortunate category.

Completely agree!

Waylander

agamemnon wrote:

Cork have suffered from the back door system in football but we've benefited from it in hurling. We've lost Munster to Waterford only to beat them at a later stage a few times. Swings and roundabouts for us. Overall I also think it is a relatively fair system and it does give us more games to enjoy in the summer.

Cork made the AI final in the football this year, they have benefitted in both codes. I waws opposed to the back door system when introduced, but now I have to say it is a vast improvement and has seen many weaker counties develop better teams as a result of more games at championship levels.

jmayo

TheJesusWarrant wrote:

What a bitter miserable individual. Does he not realise Mayo, like Kerry, like everyone else are given "twice the opportunity"
Listening to him, you'd swear Kerry are the only ones to benefit from the system.

Yes, Maughan managed to get Mayo to 3 All-Irelands (4 if you count a replay) and yet when crunch time came he blew it.
Twice loosing aganist Kerry, so I do think it is sour grapes.
Actually a poor enough Kerry team in 1997, that was dragged through by one extraordinary individual.

He always displayed some typical good old military thinking, try plan A and if it fails then keep trying ????

yahoo_moe

if Kerry dominate for the next 10 years, it sure as hell won't be (solely) because of the backdoor system.

And to take the OP's point about Cork, I'm not sure Cork would have won an AI in the last few years but for the backdoor system... Cork have only won two Munsters this decade - 2002 and last year. I certainly don't think Cork would have beaten Armagh in '02 and I'm not sure they would have won two matches last year against Dublin/Mayo/Armagh under the old system either

premierstone

yahoo_moe wrote:

if Kerry dominate for the next 10 years, it sure as hell won't be (solely) because of the backdoor system.

And to take the OP's point about Cork, I'm not sure Cork would have won an AI in the last few years but for the backdoor system... Cork have only won two Munsters this decade - 2002 and last year. I certainly don't think Cork would have beaten Armagh in '02 and I'm not sure they would have won two matches last year against Dublin/Mayo/Armagh under the old system either

And im pretty certain theat Cork wouldnt have beaten Kerry last year if it was a knockout game, Kerry were unrecognisable in June as opposed to September as they were safe in the knowledge that they didnt need to peak untill neare the end of the year

K-9

The basic inequality of the back door system, and I've posted before on this, that in Munster, Kerry this year after beating Waterford, are treated the same as Ulster Finalists or indeed Leinster Finalists.

If Meath had beaten Dublin and Kerry had lost Munster, Kerry for no other reason than being in Munster, would have been in the last 12 automatically, whereas Dublin wouldn't.

Donegal had to beat Armagh and Tyrone to get to the last 12 guarenteed. Kerry had to beat Waterford.

Kerry won the AI fair and square, but something needs to be done to address the inequality where a province of 6 counties is treated better than Ulster or Leinster for no other reason, than it is smaller.

Nalced_irl

Seanies32 wrote:

The basic inequality of the back door system, and I've posted before on this, that in Munster, Kerry this year after beating Waterford, are treated the same as Ulster Finalists or indeed Leinster Finalists.

If Meath had beaten Dublin and Kerry had lost Munster, Kerry for no other reason than being in Munster, would have been in the last 12 automatically, whereas Dublin wouldn't.

Donegal had to beat Armagh and Tyrone to get to the last 12 guarenteed. Kerry had to beat Waterford.

Kerry won the AI fair and square, but something needs to be done to address the inequality where a province of 6 counties is treated better than Ulster or Leinster for no other reason, than it is smaller.

The only truely fair way is to seperate the provincials from the All Ireland and have an open draw (possibly seeded, see below) for the All Ireland. I cant see this happening but do agree that Kerry get the lucky end of the current setup. The seeding thing could also have another benifit, if they seeded by the success in the league instead of the previous championship, suddenly the league would hold alot more importance than it currently does and also you would not be judging a teams performance from a year ago and using it to decide where they are now. Just off the top of my head.

K-9

lukin wrote:

http://www.examiner.ie/irishexaminer/pages/story.aspx-qqqg=sport-qqqm=sport-qqqa=sport-qqqid=42794-qqqx=1.asp

John Maughan has said Kerry could dominate Gaelic football for the next 10 years if the back-door system is not scrapped.

Not necessarily true. I remember the same talk about the young Derry team that won in 93 and Tyrone in 03, though they did do it again in 05 and I wouldn't write them off just yet!

patmac

Can't open the link, but who would want to believe the mutterings of a man whose biggest and only fan is himself.

whassupp2

dont think kerry have won a minor since 1994. That doesnt mean alot really but worth a mention

lukin

whassupp2 wrote:

dont think kerry have won a minor since 1994. That doesnt mean alot really but worth a mention

They haven't won an AI U-21 since 1998,they were beaten by Clare in the first round this year. Little difference it's made to them.
Another myth shattered.

blackbelt

I just think we have to live with the fact that Munster and Connaught are the easier provinces and that they have to be beaten on the pitch anyway.The rules are in place and everybody has their chance.Its the duty of the county boards,the county management and its players to make the province more competitive whatever number the province has.

I am sure there are better players in Waterford,Tipp and Clare who can play much better than the current teams they have.Its up to the management to find them and take them on board and work with them.

blackbelt

I just think we have to live with the fact that Munster and Connaught are the easier provinces and that they have to be beaten on the pitch anyway.The rules are in place and everybody has their chance.Its the duty of the county boards,the county management and its players to make the province more competitive whatever number the province has.

I am sure there are better players in Waterford,Tipp and Clare who can play much better than the current teams they have.Its up to the management to find them and take them on board and work with them.

wow sierra

gucci wrote:

if maughan feels that way he should quit his high earning job with roscommon and spend his days fishing. he shouldnt stress himself trying to win an all ireland, hes proven for years he cant do that :rolleyes:

God help us - our wonderful Roscommon manager looks at finding the key to Kerrys success and hey presto ITS THE BACKDOOR.

Like most of what Maughan says this is a load of rubbish. If Kerry dominate for the next ten years - (and I'm beginning to think they will) its because of their great tradition and passion which has now been improved by incorporating the best aspects of the northern game. It's a pity that the teams which inspired this improvement, Armagh and Tyrone, have had two poor years. I hope at least one of them come back next year as I don't really see anyone else beating them. Cork and Dublin will be better next year but SO WILL KERRY!!


Maughan should spend the time he is saving by not bothering to ever attend a club game in Roscommon watching videos of Kerry in action and working out how to beat them - not whinging about the back door which gave Roscommon one of their best years in ages in 2003.

Blackjack

Kerry have an ability to produce great football teams that are capabe of winning, it's really up to the other counties to match and beat them, whether the back door system exists or not.

They've not won as many titles as the have by Fluke.

Flukey

Whatever happens, Kerry will not dominate for 10 years, that's for sure.

K-9

Flukey wrote:

Whatever happens, Kerry will not dominate for 10 years, that's for sure.

Kerry have dominated for the last 2 years, but it doesn't necessarily follow they'll dominate for the next 10. They'll always be one of the top 3/4 counties, unless things dramatically change. Between 87 and 96, they'd none after dominating for the 10 years before it. We just don't know and neither does Maughan. The Qualifier suits them and Cork, just like the other top teams, but unlike the other top teams, they're basically guarenteed QF places every year.

Tyrone have as much chance of doing it as well.

Dapos

I understand where people are coming from with the inequality of teams in provincess but ask urself this, if in munster all the football counties were at a high standard i.e. waterford limerick and clare at the same level as cork and kerry, and if dublin were the only good team in leinster and the rest were rubbish then the agrument would never arise.

K-9

Dapos wrote:

I understand where people are coming from with the inequality of teams in provincess but ask urself this, if in munster all the football counties were at a high standard i.e. waterford limerick and clare at the same level as cork and kerry, and if dublin were the only good team in leinster and the rest were rubbish then the agrument would never arise.

Yes it would, look at Hurling! Kilkenny get the same criticism. Wouldn't matter if it was Dublin or Kilkenny, same point would apply.

Munster doesn't get it in Hurling because 5/6 counties could conceivably win it. It's competitive, so it's not a Munster or Kerry or Cork thing. Those 5 teams still got to the QF's, more or less guarenteed and had an equal chance.

Antrim getting to a AI QF would be unfair because they are Ulster Champions. Indeed the Leinster Champions in Hurling getting to a AI SF next year is being criticised. Same point as Kerry and Cork more or less being guarenteed a QF place.