Dole Question

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I'm currently working part time In Xtravision. Not getting many hours and not getting paid much. I'm taking evening classes and was thinking of quitting the Xtravision job to work on my portfolio. A friend of mine is on the dole. He was working part time for a few years, is living at home with his parants who are well off, but just quit his job and signed on. He's getting about 185 euro a week.

This confused me a little because I was told if youre living at home or if you quit your job yourself then you're not entitled to much.

Now, I'll be moving out, paying about 85 euro rent a week. My question is, if I quit my Xtravision job is it likely I'll be entitled to as much dole money as my friend?

Mrs. MacGyver

If you are out on your own and have no means assessed against you, you should get E185.80. However if you have left your job you may be disqualified from getting jobseeker's allowance for up to 9 weeks.

IT Loser

Mrs. MacGyver wrote: »

If you are out on your own and have no means assessed against you, you should get E185.80. However if you have left your job you may be disqualified from getting jobseeker's allowance for up to 9 weeks.

I understand that the Social Welfare will continue to pay the 185 for something like 320 days provided the applicant/recipient "meets the requirements"...suppose you have been looking for work, have proof of same, but just can't get a break,,,will they cut you right off after the allotted period? Will you be left to starve, or is there something else to help you??

I have a list of refusals the length of my arm.....I am pretty well educated, I've done the whole building site thing, I want to make use of my education, I mean, I could probably get a job in the morning as a rent boy, but, jokes aside, do the Welfare OBLIGE you to take the first job that comes along, or are you given grace to find a job that SUITS.

Otherwise, the old pathology is just played out. You get a job, you pack it in to try and find a proper job that is congruous with your educational background {I have a college degree} and before you know it, you are back on the dole, facing the threat of disconnection, then you get cut-off, take the first job that comes along etc etc etc.....:mad:

Mrs. MacGyver

Jobseeker's allowance lasts over 390 days (Jobseeker's Benefit - the one based on PRSI contributions dosent). Just keep any efforts you have as regards looking for work

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I've been out of work on disability for 7 weeks. When it came to going back to work, I discussed it with my manager and it wasn't going to work out, so now I have to apply for Jobseekers benefit. Will the 9 weeks apply to me?

IT Loser

Mrs. MacGyver wrote: »

Jobseeker's allowance lasts over 390 days (Jobseeker's Benefit - the one based on PRSI contributions dosent). Just keep any efforts you have as regards looking for work

I am getting the €185.50 one. Whats that? I am nearly sure that there was some mention of PRSI when I was going thru the application, but that might have been that I didn't have to be means-tested thanks to PRSI conts. I had made whilst working.

Thanks for your help. Its a real nightmare dealing with these people, they have the power over you.:mad:

Mrs. MacGyver

Papa Smut wrote: »

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I've been out of work on disability for 7 weeks. When it came to going back to work, I discussed it with my manager and it wasn't going to work out, so now I have to apply for Jobseekers benefit. Will the 9 weeks apply to me?

To be honest i can't say for definate, however it's unlikley since he does not have a vacancy there for you and you technically didn't leave your job as such.

Mrs. MacGyver

IT Loser wrote: »

I am getting the €185.50 one. Whats that? I am nearly sure that there was some mention of PRSI when I was going thru the application, but that might have been that I didn't have to be means-tested thanks to PRSI conts. I had made whilst working.

Thanks for your help. Its a real nightmare dealing with these people, they have the power over you.:mad:

It sounds like you are on Jobseeker's Benefit. It lasts for 390 days or 15 months if you have over 260 PRSI contributions paid. If you have less than 260 PRSI contributions paid it will last for 312 days.

They are reasonable in Social Welfare, if there is something you don't understand just ask them and they will be able to help you.

IT Loser

Mrs. MacGyver wrote: »

It sounds like you are on Jobseeker's Benefit. It lasts for 390 days or 15 months if you have over 260 PRSI contributions paid. If you have less than 260 PRSI contributions paid it will last for 312 days.

They are reasonable in Social Welfare, if there is something you don't understand just ask them and they will be able to help you.

How many PRSI conts. would I have made over a 5 month period working a flat 40 hours on the buildings???

Also...what happens when the 312 days are up??.....suppose I can show them, as I believe I can, that I have been looking for a serious job?? Will they still cut me off?? Or do I receive a reduced payment??

Thanks.

Mrs. MacGyver

Usually you get one contribution paid per week as you can only have a maximum of 52 in any one year.

When your 312 days on Jobseeker's Benefit run out you will need 13 prsi contributions paid since the 156th day on your claim to requalify as well as satisfying all the other conditions. If your are not entitled to another 312 days benefit you can claim Jobseekers Allowance which is means tested (again you have to satisfy the conditions),

Guy:Incognito

IT Loser wrote: »

Otherwise, the old pathology is just played out. You get a job, you pack it in to try and find a proper job that is congruous with your educational background {I have a college degree} and before you know it, you are back on the dole, facing the threat of disconnection, then you get cut-off, take the first job that comes along etc etc etc.....:mad:

The idea is not to just go quitting a job before you have a new one.

Unemployment should only be given to people who are genuinely unemployed, not people who decide to get some free money instead of staying in a job till they find a new one. Just because you cant get the job you want doesnt mean you cant work.

Mrs. MacGyver

Stekelly wrote: »

The idea is not to just go quitting a job before you have a new one.

Unemployment should only be given to people who are genuinely unemployed, not people who decide to get some free money instead of staying in a job till they find a new one. Just because you cant get the job you want doesnt mean you cant work.

I agree. I spent 6 months in a job i disliked before i found the one i really wanted.

IT Loser

Stekelly wrote: »

The idea is not to just go quitting a job before you have a new one.

Unemployment should only be given to people who are genuinely unemployed, not people who decide to get some free money instead of staying in a job till they find a new one. Just because you cant get the job you want doesnt mean you cant work.

1. Why would unemployed people want Unemployment??:rolleyes:

2. I had a job but I got laid off from it. Then I developed arthritis in my right hand and so that kinda rules out me applying for more jobs in the buildings. Nobody wants a kid with a gammy hand, and, besides, why should an educated guy work himself into the mat when he is {and has} genuinely tried to better himself??

3. Money is never free. It all comes with an opportunity cost. As it happens I am trying to negotiate a loan deal with the bank so I can get out from under??

4. Just because you can work doesn't mean you should work, per se. I already made the example, but I'll make a more extreme one for those of you who choose to ignore the obvious: if I see an ad in tomorrows paper for a rent boy, and I turn it down, don't apply etc...can it be said that I should be taken off the dole because I didn't like the job advertised??


Daftness.

Surely it behoves the State to allow me time to get into a proper job. Then they can tax me and get their allowances back. If I am struggling mixing cement then they will never ever see their money back.

IT Loser

Mrs. MacGyver wrote: »

I agree. I spent 6 months in a job i disliked before i found the one i really wanted.

I am trying to get into jobs I dislike so I can work my way into one I like. That said thanks for your help and tips. PS how much is the Jobseekers Allowance, and what are the conditions to which you refer? I am currently paying rent of €350 per month and I am self-dependent for all intents and purposes. Will a guy be calling out to the house or something?? Cheers again. :cool:

Mrs. MacGyver

Jobseeker's allowance is E185.80 and its means tested and yes an inspector will have to find out your means.

scottsullivan

i may be completely off topic here, but am i entitled to the dole.
im 18, finished school with no leaving cert (big mistake)
i have never worked a job in my life. the closest thing to a job to me was refereeing where i got 50e on a saturday

iv always had the idea in my head that i needed to have a job to be eligable.
i know i need to be out of full-time education for 3 months

moretothegirl

scottsullivan wrote: »

i may be completely off topic here, but am i entitled to the dole.
im 18, finished school with no leaving cert (big mistake)
i have never worked a job in my life. the closest thing to a job to me was refereeing where i got 50e on a saturday

iv always had the idea in my head that i needed to have a job to be eligable.
i know i need to be out of full-time education for 3 months

You might be entitled JSA (dole) but its means tested. If your still living at home then it is means tested on your parents income. You can see how they work out how much your entitled to on www.welfare.ie. Its got all the info you need on there.

On another note I hope you dont mind me asking why you dont go back and do the leaving cert if you realise now its a big deal? Not to be patronising but your so young that you could easily do it, could do it from home even if you really didnt want to go back to school... the way things are at the moment with jobs etc. I think you would be wise to think about it.... just an idea

scottsullivan

moretothegirl wrote: »

You might be entitled JSA (dole) but its means tested. If your still living at home then it is means tested on your parents income. You can see how they work out how much your entitled to on www.welfare.ie. Its got all the info you need on there.

On another note I hope you dont mind me asking why you dont go back and do the leaving cert if you realise now its a big deal? Not to be patronising but your so young that you could easily do it, could do it from home even if you really didnt want to go back to school... the way things are at the moment with jobs etc. I think you would be wise to think about it.... just an idea

all comments are greatly appreciated thanks.
but to be honest, i Fu*k up, never studied, played xbox and smoked (tobbaco)
i have panic attacks now so i cant really leave my house so thats why i havent gone to FAS or youthreach or even repeated....

also you say means tested...number one ,about time!...number two my parents are on the dole also.. not by choice obviously..

moretothegirl

scottsullivan wrote: »

all comments are greatly appreciated thanks.
but to be honest, i Fu*k up, never studied, played xbox and smoked (tobbaco)
i have panic attacks now so i cant really leave my house so thats why i havent gone to FAS or youthreach or even repeated....

also you say means tested...number one ,about time!...number two my parents are on the dole also.. not by choice obviously..

To be honest im sensing from your post your taking the complete pis$, if you want genuine help you can ask for advice here but people can only give you facts nobody is here to counsel you with your self pity, if your here to have a joke then dont bother because there are pleanty of people that are really on this forum looking for real advice and info about real life problems.

scottsullivan

moretothegirl wrote: »

To be honest im sensing from your post your taking the complete pis$, if you want genuine help you can ask for advice here but people can only give you facts nobody is here to counsel you with your self pity, if your here to have a joke then dont bother because there are pleanty of people that are really on this forum looking for real advice and info about real life problems.

excuse me im giving you the facts?
i dont want your pity nor do i need it?
i asked for advice and you gave it to me. end of in my opinion.
i acted the bollox in school, i regret it. i have panic attacks, my problem. no need to get annoyed at something you dont have a clue about..
as i said, end of.
have a nice evening