Beside Revolution??

edmund · 15-09-2007 5:17pm #1

Does anyone know what's going into the now demolished site beside Revolution, where Wiley's used to be.

Rumours i've heard is that Flash from Rev's is gonna buy it and maybe have Revolution stretched across the bottom floor, while the first floor would be a night club. Would be great tho if we had another nightclub in competition against Ruby's.

Minto · 15-09-2007 5:42pm

I remember hearing a while ago that Revolution is knocking through the wall upstairs and extending the upstairs bar, but plans have prob changed since then.

shockwave · 15-09-2007 6:19pm

I heard that its going to be a retail unit on the ground floor with apartments above, but you know what this town's like when it comes to rumours.

JohnC. · 16-09-2007 11:41am

What used to be on the ground floor between Revolution and Wyleys? I've completely forgotten what was there before the building became unsafe during the development of Revolution.

Sully · 16-09-2007 3:04pm

For some reason, I thought it was that new take away that opened beside it was extending? Not to sure wat gave me that idea!

trishw78 · 16-09-2007 5:40pm

Eddie Rocketts used to be there for awhile wasn't it

sarahsez · 01-10-2007 3:55pm

trishw78 wrote:

Eddie Rocketts used to be there for awhile wasn't it

i thought eddie rocketts was where revolution is nw??? or im prob jus mind bogled as there was so much dwn there

kensutz · 02-10-2007 12:20am

Eddie Rocketts was in the same building as Revolution.

BIG-SLICK-POKER · 02-10-2007 1:40am

eddie rockets was half revolution with jolly barber then flash got both and jolly moved up a door lol

jimmytheman · 13-10-2007 6:15pm

was talking to flash last night -
said he is trying to lease 1/2 of first floor of new building to have a self contained comedy club on fri and sat ngihts
and SPAR will be on ground floor - 24hours job!
we really need another night club in town -
pissed of with attitude of Rubys door staff

ChapOfDRyans · 13-10-2007 7:14pm

yeh 2 right the door men in rubys can be D**kheads at the best of times,would be nice 2 see a new night club

tonyagrey · 13-10-2007 9:12pm

Guys, even if Flash was to open a nightclub it wouldnt really make any difference as i believe Tweedy is involved with Flash anyway.......

paudy · 14-10-2007 12:15am

guys if you want a nightclub start a petition and give it to flash, or just stop goin to rubys, revolution opens till 2am fri and saturday, but all the sheep still go to rubys and pay the admission and then complain about it.

ex_infantry man · 14-10-2007 4:18pm

paudy wrote: »

guys if you want a nightclub start a petition and give it to flash, or just stop goin to rubys, revolution opens till 2am fri and saturday, but all the sheep still go to rubys and pay the admission and then complain about it.

ye and they don,t bloody sell red bull in any of tweedys bars only this cheap ****e called burn and boy feck does it burn the stomach out of ya

paudy · 25-02-2008 1:56pm

could there be a new nightclub on thw way??????

Adyx · 26-02-2008 4:11am

No. Flash is after buying somewhere out in Tramore (a nightclub?) apparently, so I wouldn't expect him to do anything major in the city. I also heard the rumour of a 24 hour Spar/Centra so here's hoping. Also I wouldn't worry too much about that Burn stuff

jimmytheman · 27-02-2008 12:24pm

heard flash is taking 1st floor of new building beside revolution and hes turning all of up stairs into a nightclub - wont be too big but select and classy - staff there says it will open in sept

halfinch · 27-02-2008 1:17pm

an extra nightclub in waterford would be great....24hour spar, great idea, wedges after the disco, yes boi

BBM77 · 27-02-2008 10:14pm

jimmytheman wrote: »

heard flash is taking 1st floor of new building beside revolution and hes turning all of up stairs into a nightclub - wont be too big but select and classy - staff there says it will open in sept

I hope in the name of Jesus it will be a 25 years & up club. Us people of this vintage are not catered for in Waterford atoll. Not all of us are working in big factories were you can meet women.

tubey · 28-02-2008 1:41am

Itr doesn't matter what new things come to waterford.......deise people will still complain. Nothing is good enough for ya. You complain about bob tweedy yet they provide 2 night clubs and 3 quality bars in the town and are also trying to renovate them to make them better for the town. A new club comes to waterford and you go to it for a few weeks and then don't bother anymore so it has to close...and then you come online to give out about the clubs.

I go to masons and muldoons the odd time but to be honest I'm gone passed the age of queueing up to go to a club so I'll go to revolution's late bar, or Mason's late bar where at least they play some decent old 90s tunes when all the teeny boppers have crossed the road. To be honest...I miss the old stand and Flare and Flo motion and all of those. You have to feel for the kazbars, fletchers, masons etc..they often try new things to bring the people in but it aint easy.

As for calling club goers sheep....they're no more sheep as those cliques that go into geoffs all the time and think they're some sort of arty cool people when anytime I go in there all I get is a stink of pretention.

And If anyone for a second think's that I'm biased towards Revolution or kazbar or tweedy etc....well I aint.......I miss Axis Mundi in its hey day...I'm not a forum type of punter but I respect what they do up there/

MrLuke · 28-02-2008 12:52pm

Ballybrickenman wrote: »

I hope in the name of Jesus it will be a 25 years & up club. Us people of this vintage are not catered for in Waterford atoll. Not all of us are working in big factories were you can meet women.

but any place that goes for an older type crowd always fails, because people in a slightly older age bracket dont go out often enough. Look at the Jazbar (? name? was where Rubys is now), Axis Mundi when it opened, and more recently look at Harveys, refused students and student types when opened but now caters for them mid week.

Places start with great expectations and then realise this is waterford.

tubey · 28-02-2008 5:39pm

MrLuke wrote: »

but any place that goes for an older type crowd always fails, because people in a slightly older age bracket dont go out often enough. Look at the Jazbar (? name? was where Rubys is now), Axis Mundi when it opened, and more recently look at Harveys, refused students and student types when opened but now caters for them mid week.

Places start with great expectations and then realise this is waterford.

Exactly.

jimmytheman · 28-02-2008 6:51pm

id say fair dues to masons, revolution and kazbar for opening late -
and at great cost - 280 a night for late license - solicitors fees and court fees on top of it - extra for door staff and bar staff - AND NO COVER CHARGE !!
i miss axis and bowery - loved the place - nice friendly places - with quiet area if u didnt want to be in the thick of things - us older guy need somewhere else like that!!! if flash is opening a club - lets ask him for an over 25's policy or area
who agrees?

BBM77 · 28-02-2008 9:00pm

MrLuke wrote: »

but any place that goes for an older type crowd always fails, because people in a slightly older age bracket dont go out often enough. Look at the Jazbar (? name? was where Rubys is now), Axis Mundi when it opened, and more recently look at Harveys, refused students and student types when opened but now caters for them mid week.

Places start with great expectations and then realise this is waterford.

It only has to be over 25’s on Saturday’s, that would be enough.

BBM77 · 28-02-2008 9:02pm

jimmytheman wrote: »

.......... if flash is opening a club - lets ask him for an over 25's policy or area
who agrees?

You can count me in.

tubey · 29-02-2008 2:09am

Aye...you'll all agree...and then never drink in the place. All talk an action, that's your problem

MrLuke · 01-03-2008 6:09pm

Ballybrickenman wrote: »

It only has to be over 25’s on Saturday’s, that would be enough.

So what about the under 25's that frequent it the other nights? They won't be allowed to go in on a Saturday night? Why should they be barred for being a certain age group on the busiest night of the week?

AFAIK younger drinkers drink more drinks, more often and more expensive ones at that. If I was in that business I know what market I'd be after.

tubey · 01-03-2008 8:11pm

These people who want under 25 bars etc are the people that 48 weeks of the year sit in and watch casualty, have a chinese and watch their DVDs. They then go out and realise how old and fat they're getting compared to others. Don't let the young attractive people in!!!!!!

The bar that goes over 25s in Waterford is the bar that closes in 3 month's time.

shockwave · 01-03-2008 8:40pm

Have to agree with you there,most people in their thirtys drink in the suburbs and only come into town now and again.

Any pub that tried to cater for the "older crowd" in the city centre would die a death.

ChapOfDRyans · 04-03-2008 5:03pm

theres good and bad points to having a young crowd

1: they drink and spend a lot more
2:they are a lot more messy,more chances of them fighting

but the the profit far out weights the cost,speaking from exsperiance so most pubs aim for the young crowd

merlante · 04-03-2008 5:45pm

ChapOfDRyans wrote: »

theres good and bad points to having a young crowd

1: they drink and spend a lot more
2:they are a lot more messy,more chances of them fighting

but the the profit far out weights the cost,speaking from exsperiance so most pubs aim for the young crowd

There is no problem with most pubs and clubs aimed at the younger crowd, i.e. under 25. But there is a market for pubs and clubs aimed at over 25's, no question.

There is huge amount of over-25's that hit the town every weekend. The difference is they are more choosey, less likely to notice when a new club or pub opens, harder to please, and so on. You have to actually make an effort to tempt them, as opposed to just open the doors and expect people to come in and get hammered.

Restaurants make the effort and the restaurant trade is doing very well because of it. Are over-25's going to leave a classy restaurant in town to go into a loud and packed Muldoons or Ruby's Lounge or wherever. Maybe, maybe not. Harvey's is a den of drunken students at the weekend that is completely packed out and pretty unpleasant to move around in.

If an effort was made to open a classier place, people would go. But if a pub or club owner goes down that road, they should realise that as soon as they make the place nasty in any way to top it up with students and kids, your crowd are gone straight away.

Other cities and towns manage to make money out of the old and young, there is no reason why things should be any different in Waterford if there was any kind of imagination or more players in the nightclub market.

tubey · 04-03-2008 10:55pm

Ok...so let's say someone decides to open a "classy" over 25 establishment.

At the moment people complain when -

They're not allowed in with age cards.

They're not allowed in wearing a hoodie.

They're turned away for being drunk.

Turned away for being a traveller.

Prices are too high

Music is too crap.

Before I go on I'd be starting to think twice about opening any kind of club, nevermind an over 25s club. An over 25s club would only do business on a friday and saturday....and not a whole lot on the friday to be honest. Waterford is not big enough to sustain an over 25s bar, simple as that. The people that are on here complaining about prices etc are the people that don't go out too often...they want the bar....but they'll only go in once or twice a month. Not a big incentive to open now is it..

merlante · 05-03-2008 12:00am

tubey wrote: »

Ok...so let's say someone decides to open a "classy" over 25 establishment.

At the moment people complain when -

They're not allowed in with age cards.

They're not allowed in wearing a hoodie.

They're turned away for being drunk.

Turned away for being a traveller.

Prices are too high

Music is too crap.

Before I go on I'd be starting to think twice about opening any kind of club, nevermind an over 25s club. An over 25s club would only do business on a friday and saturday....and not a whole lot on the friday to be honest. Waterford is not big enough to sustain an over 25s bar, simple as that. The people that are on here complaining about prices etc are the people that don't go out too often...they want the bar....but they'll only go in once or twice a month. Not a big incentive to open now is it..

Waterford is easily big enough to support an over 25s bar, or at least a predominantly over 25's bar. Ruby's Lounge and Woodman are often mainly over 25 as it is. Harvey's is on some nights. Electric Avenue can have a big over 25's element. Probably the Kazbar as well. The crowd is there as it is, it's just spread out among a number of places, and yeah, lots of people stay at home because they view the town as a place where kids and students get drunk and start fights (as they probably did themselves a few years earlier).

If there is a problem here, it's that the city centre has a certain reputation, and the older crowd have a certain view of it, and we have too few players in the late night pub and nightclub market. So things change slowly.

There's also this miserable attitude among Waterford people that nothing is possible and that attitude becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Other towns and cities in Ireland can manage it, so can Waterford. Bars do not have to be huge at any rate. The city centre could do with more smaller places to give people some choice.

tubey · 05-03-2008 9:40am

I saw a sign up for Battle Of The Business somewhere recently. I think it was for MAsons. I have no idea when it's starting but I bet ya it won't work. It's a great idea and I did it in Wexford a few times (on a monday night) but this town just doesn't like new ventures.

Adyx · 05-03-2008 11:56am

merlante wrote: »

Bars do not have to be huge at any rate. The city centre could do with more smaller places to give people some choice.

I definitely agree in principle, and I'd love to see it but look at Fletcher's. A pretty nice bar, not too big, with a good selection of drinks at reasonable prices and it does almost no business. It's a terrible pity because they really put in a good effort especially with the bands. Depressing as it is, maybe tubey's right.

merlante · 05-03-2008 1:05pm

Adyx wrote: »

I definitely agree in principle, and I'd love to see it but look at Fletcher's. A pretty nice bar, not too big, with a good selection of drinks at reasonable prices and it does almost no business. It's a terrible pity because they really put in a good effort especially with the bands. Depressing as it is, maybe tubey's right.

I'll tell you something about Fletchers. It is a good idea, but good intentions don't a good pub make. It actually has to be a good pub. It has a funny shape to the place and the seating is not comfortable. I can't really see the place doing well, not because people don't appreciate a good idea, but because I don't think it's very well designed.

As a counter example, Ruby's Lounge is well designed. Geoffs is very well 'designed' (if you could call it that). Compare Geoffs to Fletchers and tell me why people would want to switch, except to catch the bands.

A lot of people say the Bowery was a great and now it's gone, and typical Waterford, great ideas never work, etc., etc., etc.

But the fact is, the Bowery wasn't well designed either. There was no comfort for the older crowd and it was too far from Tweedy town to attract the younger crowd. Ruby's on the other hand is a much better setup.

The other thing you have to combat is this mentality that the city centre is just for students and young people getting plastered and puking on the street and fighting after the clubs. It's this perception that will keep people drinking out of town. The right strategy, if a strategy was possible in Waterford, might be to cluster restaurants, classy bars and a comfortable club together in a different part of the city centre than Tweedy town. That might do it. It wouldn't take much really.

Adyx · 05-03-2008 2:36pm

Agh! I hated The Bowery :mad:Im sorry but merlante is right. It was terribly designed. Personally I would rather go to Fletcher's than Geoff's. As someone said earlier there is a slight air of pretentiousness there. That's just me though and I really like live music. To be honest there isn't any pub in Waterford that really does it for me

Ruby Lounge is ok but the toilet situation is ridiculous. Unavoidable maybe but ridiculous.

I wouldn't hold my breath for any more developments elsewhere in the city, not with McCann and the Gardai on the case.
If only Merlins hadn't turned into Oxygen. Ah well, we'll see how Muldoons/Oxygen are after the refurbishment.

paudy · 26-03-2008 10:51pm

geoffs got pretentuos all of a sudden, it used to be very laid back but now is pretty awful. as for the bowery it was a great venue just people couldnt be arsed walking 5 mins down the road and then have to walk back to get chips and taxi. People are saying we need an over 25 pub/club in waterford but it is already there. The young folk all leave revolution like sheep at 12/12.30 to go and pay into rubys(idiots)leaving a nice select crowd and a good atmosphere and the djs will play music to suit the crowd. I've had many a great night there when no one bumped into me i didnt have to queue for the toilet no one robbed my drink the doorstaff talk to you rather than down to you and nobody gets sick on or around you and no admission fee. what more can you ask for.

ec18 · 27-03-2008 9:07am

Someone said that over 25's have nowhere to go...but then named out the places where they go

4 or 5 places were named could over 25's not be happy with those places....why do ye feel the need to have a separate place just for ye?.....night clubs are generally accepted to be a young persons thing anyway and they get boring very quickly....I'm 20 and fed up of them...I prefer late bars lately like the kazbar and EA......so why should ye have your own pub/club? enlighten me please

kryogen · 27-03-2008 2:23pm

paudy wrote: »

geoffs got pretentuos all of a sudden, it used to be very laid back but now is pretty awful. as for the bowery it was a great venue just people couldnt be arsed walking 5 mins down the road and then have to walk back to get chips and taxi. People are saying we need an over 25 pub/club in waterford but it is already there. The young folk all leave revolution like sheep at 12/12.30 to go and pay into rubys(idiots)leaving a nice select crowd and a good atmosphere and the djs will play music to suit the crowd. I've had many a great night there when no one bumped into me i didnt have to queue for the toilet no one robbed my drink the doorstaff talk to you rather than down to you and nobody gets sick on or around you and no admission fee. what more can you ask for.

:D

sonky353 · 27-03-2008 4:51pm

Its true everyone will complain about all Tweedys Nightclubs but still pay to get in and pay extremely high prices for drink that wont change. I go 2 college in Cork and the price of drinks is unbelievably cheaper compared 2 Waterford....I had a few friends from Cork down who also were SHOCKED at the price of drink in not only clubs but pubs!!!

We definitely need another club for competition for Tweedy!!!

:D