F1 title outright

kenco

PP are offering 6/5 for Lewis Hamilton which seems to be good value (short odds albeit) given the speculation that Alonso (allegedly) tried to blackmail the team by saying he would disclose the email messages that led to the fine and exclusion from the constructors championship.

McLaren need something from the championship this year I would expect them to fully back Hamilton and - how should I put this? - give all their 'support and backing' to the driver who ensured their mega fine and exclusion!

Thoughts?

Bubs101

THink Alonso should take it. He has the experience and Hamilton has been on s downward spiral for a while. Really hope Alonso beats him

lolkelly

Bubs101 wrote:

THink Alonso should take it. He has the experience and Hamilton has been on s downward spiral for a while. Really hope Alonso beats him

Why? Alonso has acted like a baby all season. Hamilton has been sensational and was a much needed injection into he sport.

Bubs101

Hamilton hasn't been sensational. He refused to recognize his place as number 2 in the team and used the fact he's english and black to get McClarens backing over the 2 time champion. He's been crap for weeks and he stood by his team despite the fact they cheated to get points. Alonso is more entertaining than Hamilton and has been treated terribly by McClaren.

And as for being a baby look at this from the BBC




Lewis Hamilton has accused McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso of unfair driving during the Belgian Grand Prix.

Hamilton was upset the double world champion forced him off the track as they disputed third place at the start.

"He has gone and swiped me and pushed me as wide as he could," said Hamilton. "I was just really lucky there was a run-off area so I could take that."

Asked if he thought the move was hard but fair, the 22-year-old Briton said: "I wouldn't say fair, but it was hard."

Guy:Incognito

Bubs101 wrote:

Hamilton hasn't been sensational. He refused to recognize his place as number 2 in the team "

Only someone with no drive and ambition accepts that they are 2nd best. A winner thinks they can be and are no1.

Case in point is someone like Roy Keane, he was by no means the best footballer around, but by god was the man a winner.

lolkelly

Bubs101 wrote:

Hamilton hasn't been sensational. He refused to recognize his place as number 2 in the team and used the fact he's english and black to get McClarens backing over the 2 time champion. He's been crap for weeks and he stood by his team despite the fact they cheated to get points. Alonso is more entertaining than Hamilton and has been treated terribly by McClaren.

And as for being a baby look at this from the BBC




Lewis Hamilton has accused McLaren team-mate Fernando Alonso of unfair driving during the Belgian Grand Prix.

Hamilton was upset the double world champion forced him off the track as they disputed third place at the start.

"He has gone and swiped me and pushed me as wide as he could," said Hamilton. "I was just really lucky there was a run-off area so I could take that."

Asked if he thought the move was hard but fair, the 22-year-old Briton said: "I wouldn't say fair, but it was hard."

Can you point us to some evidence that he used the fact that he was english and black to get Mclarens backing??!!
For the first half of the season he was quicker in qualifying than Alonso, and was driving the tactically better races. Alonso got in a huff and had a good cry about it.

Bubs101

Ron Dennis has already admitted favouring Hamilton because he was british and I don't think that Mclaren have ignored the financial opertunities of a black driver, particularly with their fine.
In the first half he was quicker but Alonso is quicker and is only 2 points behind now. Hamilton was pushing his team mate unneccisserily in Races such as Monte Carlo when he should have been trying to learn from him. And as for going of and crying, he didn't. He just decided he didn't want to talk to the next Tim Henman of British sport ( an over-hyped underachieving banker ) and didn't

Guy:Incognito

Bubs101 wrote:

I don't think that Mclaren have ignored the financial opertunities of a black driver and didn't

Using marketing oppertunities ect is a far cry from him using the race card.

Its the same as having an Asian driver and using it to exploit the Asian market.

Bubs101

Stekelly wrote:

Only someone with no drive and ambition accepts that they are 2nd best. A winner thinks they can be and are no1.

That's utter nonsense. in Formula one everyone else but 4 drivers at most have to recognize they can't win. Are you saying Heidfeld has no drive or ambition? BS. Also, Keane is the biggest baby in proffessional sports

Mezcita

Jayzus. "The race card". So 1980's.

Anyway, way too difficult to call. Alonso has good form so I'd probably go for him.

Bubs101

If your using a black driver for marketing oppurtunities than it's intrinsicly linked to his race

Mezcita

Bubs101 wrote:

If your using a black driver for marketing oppurtunities than it's intrinsicly linked to his race

Nope. They are using the guys own success for marketing opportunities. He's a talented fella so good luck to him. If they in no way bigged up his success then you could play the race card.

Bubs101

So your saying that most drivers don't have to spend time with a lower level team or even as a test driver (like Massa) before moving into one of the big 4 slots. Most drivers in that McClaren would be in the top two

Mezcita

Nope. I'm saying that he got his chance because he's a very good driver. His results so far have proved that.

The idea that McLaren have given a spot to a guy just because he is black is pure madness. Fundamentally, they want to win. Be it with Alonso or Hamilton.

Hamilton is currently 1.35 to win the BBC Sports Personality of the year award. Is that some type of "race card" marketing effort as well? If that’s the case then Arsenal should be applauded for their sheer effort in creating racial harmony by fielding so many black players on a weekly basis. Equally Barcelona should be congratulated for buying Henry in an effort to boost shirt sales. The fact that he is one of the best players in the world seems, by your argument, irrelevant.

The race card idea doesn't wash anymore. Every major sport is full of talented black individuals.

Good luck to them.

Guy:Incognito

They took him on at an early age and basically groomed him to be a McLaren no1 driver. He was always going to to be in one of their cars.

On the confidence issue, yes, if you go out to do a job believing you are not good enough then your finished.Thats why the term journeyman exists. they hover around the midfield all their careers and never make th epush to the top. A real winner goes out in a crap car and drives the **** out of it believing he can make a difference enough and will be noticed , then get his shot in a top car.

Bubs101

Mezcita wrote:

The idea that McLaren have given a spot to a guy just because he is black is pure madness. Fundamentally, they want to win. Be it with Alonso or Hamilton.

Hamilton is currently 1.35 to win the BBC Sports Personality of the year award. Is that some type of "race card" marketing effort as well? If that’s the case then Arsenal should be applauded for their sheer effort in creating racial harmony by fielding so many black players on a weekly basis. Equally Barcelona should be congratulated for buying Henry in an effort to boost shirt sales. The fact that he is one of the best players in the world seems, by your argument, irrelevant.

The race card idea doesn't wash anymore. Every major sport is full of talented black individuals.

Good luck to them.

Apart from Formula 1. I'm pretty sure that Lewis has the chance to be the first black driver to win something and I'm not saying thst the only reason he's there is because he's black, I'm saying it probably played a big part in his major push.

Both Arsenal and Barcelona probably have more black players than white. Ronaldhino, Eto'o, Toure, Yaya Toure, Cliche, silva. Name 1 other black formula 1 driver,Moto GP driver or even rally driver. Everyother sport maybe full of talented black individuals but motorsport isn't. Probably due to the money needed to start wthe career. Hell, even Nascar is seen as the biggest white trash sport and that's in the land of equality.

And as for BBC sports personality of the year, who else are they gonna give it to. The cricket and rugby teams have failed, no remarkable results in athletics and Amir Khan is still fighting wasters

Bubs101

Stekelly wrote:

They took him on at an early age and basically groomed him to be a McLaren no1 driver. He was always going to to be in one of their cars.

On the confidence issue, yes, if you go out to do a job believing you are not good enough then your finished.Thats why the term journeyman exists. they hover around the midfield all their careers and never make th epush to the top. A real winner goes out in a crap car and drives the **** out of it believing he can make a difference enough and will be noticed , then get his shot in a top car.

Your first paragraph points out what I was saying origanally, Lewis didn't earn his spot and on any other team would have played second fiddle to Alonso. If they had have told Alonso that the champ would be sharing N.1 spot on his team with Ron Dennis' rookie poster boy I'm pretty sure where he would have told him to stick it.

And all formula 1 drivers make the push . Button for example worked his socks off for 2 years and then his mechanichs ducked up wrecking his whole year. Hiedfeld constantly tries to beat the top cars but can't unless theirs a problem. Even one of the Spyker Ferrari drivers (can't remember his name) was leading the race after taking a massive gamble on tyres in Germany. His team always finishes at the end and he always gets lapped if he finishes the race. It doesn't mean he has no passion or faith in his ability, his car is just a piece of ****. In formula 1 the car is more important than the driver, thats why I prefer Moto GP