Waterford Retail Park

fricatus

Just saw a picture of the Waterford Retail Park at the Six Cross Roads:

http://www.upthedeise.com/waterfordmessageboard/viewtopic.php?t=101&start=165

It's massive! Anyone know what's going in there? Seems like the pic is no more than a few days old, but it looks like it's just been finished.

mike65

Waterfords becoming "Shed-Shop" Heaven!

Mike.

fricatus

mike65 wrote:

Waterfords becoming "Shed-Shop" Heaven!

Mike.

It's the way things are going all over the country. We're turning into Blanchardstown!

JMcL

fricatus wrote:

Just saw a picture of the Waterford Retail Park at the Six Cross Roads:

http://www.upthedeise.com/waterfordmessageboard/viewtopic.php?t=101&start=165

It's massive! Anyone know what's going in there? Seems like the pic is no more than a few days old, but it looks like it's just been finished.

B&Q at least

BBM77

fricatus wrote:

Just saw a picture of the Waterford Retail Park at the Six Cross Roads:

http://www.upthedeise.com/waterfordmessageboard/viewtopic.php?t=101&start=165

It's massive! Anyone know what's going in there? Seems like the pic is no more than a few days old, but it looks like it's just been finished.

Personally, I wouldn’t swap one Michael St shopping centre for twenty of these retail parks. As for what’s going into it, if you were to drive into any retail park in Cork, Galway, Limerick or were ever it will be the same as that.

Aquos76

JMcL wrote:

B&Q at least

Not on the six cross roads one. They are going out on the Butlerstown one.

racram

Aquos76 wrote:

Not on the six cross roads one. They are going out on the Butlerstown one.

B & Q were suppose to go into it but needed larger space! haven't a clue whose going into the 6 cross roads one. Have you noticed that a lot of shops in town are moving out. That furniture shop on O Connell street, Tony....(Can't think of the name) Has moved to six cross roads recently. Think their in the business park.

mike65

Ballybrickenman wrote:

As for what’s going into it, if you were to drive into any retail park in Cork, Galway, Limerick or were ever it will be the same as that.

Thats the point though. Keep the cash local and tempt more people in the satellite towns in this direction rather than drifing to Limerick, Cork, even Dublin.

Mike.

fricatus

Ballybrickenman wrote:

Personally, I wouldn’t swap one Michael St shopping centre for twenty of these retail parks. As for what’s going into it, if you were to drive into any retail park in Cork, Galway, Limerick or were ever it will be the same as that.

I tend to agree with you, but we need both. Stuff like furniture and big electrical goods belongs in retail parks. Clothes shops, department stores, small, high-end electrical stores, they all belong in a city-centre shopping centre.

BBM77

Hopefully An Bord Pleanala will allow us to have both.

soldering iron

fricatus wrote:

Just saw a picture of the Waterford Retail Park at the Six Cross Roads:

http://www.upthedeise.com/waterfordmessageboard/viewtopic.php?t=101&start=165

It's massive! Anyone know what's going in there? Seems like the pic is no more than a few days old, but it looks like it's just been finished.

I heard harvey norman super store,nice pictures

Freddie59

soldering iron wrote:

I heard harvey norman

Harvey Norman isn't cheap. They carry a huge range - but you pay for the choice. It's kinda like any of the chain DIYs vs Johnny Hearns. You pay the 'I want it now' price.

soldering iron

Freddie59 wrote:

Harvey Norman isn't cheap. They carry a huge range - but you pay for the choice. It's kinda like any of the chain DIYs vs Johnny Hearns. You pay the 'I want it now' price.

So we tell harvey norman to feck off, and go some where else

hotnipples

Ballybrickenman wrote:

Personally, I wouldn’t swap one Michael St shopping centre for twenty of these retail parks. As for what’s going into it, if you were to drive into any retail park in Cork, Galway, Limerick or were ever it will be the same as that.

Understandable for someone who lives in ballybricken. But for people who have to sit in traffic and then find parking in that wretched town, its a nightmare, a nice big retail park with decent shops will be the right job.

Cabaal

Parking is fine in Waterford, its just an issue for people that want to park 5 steps away from the shop there going too.

People would park in the shops if they could!

BBM77

hotnipples wrote:

Understandable for someone who lives in ballybricken. But for people who have to sit in traffic and then find parking in that wretched town, its a nightmare, a nice big retail park with decent shops will be the right job.

If there is something wrong with the city centre, it should be fixed. Building retail on the Outer Ring road is only going to damage the city centre further and make more traffic problems. Retail parks solve f*&^ all.

&

Who said I live in Ballybricken?

fricatus

Cabaal wrote:

Parking is fine in Waterford, its just an issue for people that want to park 5 steps away from the shop there going too.

People would park in the shops if they could!

This is quite true. Waterford people and, ahem, "northsiders" alike complain about the parking and access, but it's really not that bad.

That car park up by Aldi is very easily accessible, especially for anyone coming over the bridge, and it's half empty most of the time. Even on Saturday at lunchtime, you can get a space. Meanwhile there's a line of cars half a mile long down the Quay and up Exchange St trying to get into City Square.

What the City Council needs to do is get all those car parks co-ordinated and have signs on the way into the city giving the name of the car park, the direction, and the number of spaces currently available, much the same as they do in Dublin.

And Waterford people generally have to get up off their lazy ar$es and realise that a walk down from Aldi to City Square is not halfway to the moon and back.

And before the twin excuses of weather and children get thrown at me, I'll remind you that my mother always parked up near the Hyper and walked down town with us three little gurriers, in all weathers. It's not impossible.

south

racram wrote:

B & Q were suppose to go into it but needed larger space! haven't a clue whose going into the 6 cross roads one. Have you noticed that a lot of shops in town are moving out. That furniture shop on O Connell street, Tony....(Can't think of the name) Has moved to six cross roads recently. Think their in the business park.

Tony Burkes is the name and moved because of traffic problems. he's based beside about flooring on the other side of the roundabout. sullys snooker hall are moving into his old shop

Aquos76

fricatus wrote:

And before the twin excuses of weather and children get thrown at me, I'll remind you that my mother always parked up near the Hyper and walked down town with us three little gurriers, in all weathers. It's not impossible.

At least your mother had a car to park. I was 12 before my mother got a car. So we used to walk everywhere. And of course those long queues for the bus to Tramore. That's one of the many problems with society these days. What the hell did we ever do without cars and especially mobiles phones.

FFS... I remember the days when there was months of waiting to get a phone line in and then the day you did get it in, you hoped and prayed that no one on the street say the van outside. Because then you would become the phone for the whole street. Sorry for going OT there.

JohnC.

Aquos76 wrote:

FFS... I remember the days when there was months of waiting to get a phone line in and then the day you did get it in, you hoped and prayed that no one on the street say the van outside. Because then you would become the phone for the whole street.

I knew a couple of people who had payphones installed because of this

Trotter

I remember years ago when there was 7 of us fighting for the one bowl of cornflakes and there was 5 of us to a shirt.

We could only afford one mother. Sad days.

Luckily now though I have a car and I want to park it outside a shop in a retail park without going near the city.

soldering iron

We used to go out to the farmer's feilds at night and liberate some of the cabbages/turnips and carrots, yes we had feck all them.Thank god for the Bank loans we now have all we want so long as the payments keep up.

Maharet

fricatus wrote:

This is quite true. Waterford people and, ahem, "northsiders" alike complain about the parking and access, but it's really not that bad.

That car park up by Aldi is very easily accessible, especially for anyone coming over the bridge, and it's half empty most of the time. Even on Saturday at lunchtime, you can get a space. Meanwhile there's a line of cars half a mile long down the Quay and up Exchange St trying to get into City Square.

What the City Council needs to do is get all those car parks co-ordinated and have signs on the way into the city giving the name of the car park, the direction, and the number of spaces currently available, much the same as they do in Dublin.

And Waterford people generally have to get up off their lazy ar$es and realise that a walk down from Aldi to City Square is not halfway to the moon and back.

And before the twin excuses of weather and children get thrown at me, I'll remind you that my mother always parked up near the Hyper and walked down town with us three little gurriers, in all weathers. It's not impossible.

A sign with the car parks and space available would be a great idea. Whatever about ALDI car park being empty, it always amazes me that New St car park is half empty on a sat and that's right in the centre of town nearly; 5 mins and you're in city square. Course Waterford is the place of people parking in set down zones and the like two seconds from the shop doors. It's crazy to see people park outside ALDI when there's a car park (free for an hour if you shop there) just around the corner. :rolleyes:

racram

Maharet wrote:

A sign with the car parks and space available would be a great idea. Whatever about ALDI car park being empty, it always amazes me that New St car park is half empty on a sat and that's right in the centre of town nearly; 5 mins and you're in city square. Course Waterford is the place of people parking in set down zones and the like two seconds from the shop doors. It's crazy to see people park outside ALDI when there's a car park (free for an hour if you shop there) just around the corner. :rolleyes:

Have to say though I dislike that New Street car park....Too narrow and tight corners! Anyway, this thread started about the Retail Park, has any shops gone into it yet?:)

InnerCity

Waterford has a problem with cars in the city, we have very bad traffic management. the one way systems and the lack of any through access to broad street is a joke, to say the least.Come 5pm the town is dead yet its packed at lunch. the people in the CC just go out of there way to cause problems for not just the people of Waterford but the business in it as well.

O'Connell St is in a ruin big time. it was once the best trading st in Ireland, not just Waterford. the one way system has destroyed it ask any local person or business. Tony Bukes moved because of it but its understandable given that they sell furniture. However Kavanaghs the lighting and the electrical shop were the first to move out of there(although around the corner) because when people parked to buy a bulb you paid for the bulb and a €15 parking fine.Same story for them in their Michael st store.

Waterford City Centre needs more live in it, its lossing out big time to Kilkenny and even Wexford now, we need the Michael St Shopping Centre more then ever now, thanks to business parks, ever see a picture of Waterford 15 or even 20 years ago and notice the major decrease in family business??In gerenal they are much cheaper then sheds has they dont carry the same overheads has them.

If people from Ireland continue to support them every high st in every town in western europe will look the same, nothing but pound shops and phone shops, the lack of character will kill the town and all we'll have will be an over size business park, full of MNC all offering the same goods and when was the last time we every heard of a tesco buying their bulbs at Kavanaghs or any other local shop???????????

trishw78

InnerCity wrote:

If people from Ireland continue to support them every high st in every town in western europe will look the same, nothing but pound shops and phone shops, the lack of character will kill the town and all we'll have will be an over size business park, full of MNC all offering the same goods and when was the last time we every heard of a tesco buying their bulbs at Kavanaghs or any other local shop???????????

In one paragraph you've just described small town America. Except WAllmart moved in a shut everyone down.

Not The Real Scarecrow

problem isn't the parking, its the lack of variety in the shops and as well people have the perception that the town has gotten rougher so they prefer to shop on the outskirts.
I rarely go into town anymore but thats mainly because that alot of shops I used to shop in(the reef, icon etc) are all closed and they haven't been replaced with anything I would be interested in at all so if I want to clothes shop I have to either do it on line or outside of waterford.This kills me because I have always loved waterford and going into town but lately I just leave with out buying anything and just feeling pissed off.IN my opinion debenhams is gonna kill the town completely the way they have driven river island out.When other shops open up on the ring road over the next few years the town will end up like carlow years ago, nearly a ghost town.
Of course I blame the Polish.......after all aren't they to blame for everything else?

ex_infantry man

went shopping in limerick yesterday and they have a huge amount of good clothes shops and the city is better layed out also and come to think of it is,nt the former waterford city council engineer tom mackey the new engineer for limerick city????

merlante

We desperately need the Newgate centre to go through to revitalise the city centre, and to defend the city against the threat of out of town shopping.

Out of town shopping is not a (big) problem when the primary retail core is in the city centre and when the centre is vibrant. The city centre can handle more traffic than any other part of the city, so putting retail in the centre is the most sustainable approach. At the moment, however, the city centre is very weak, and that makes the city as a whole weak.

Out of town shopping encourages urban sprawl, the death of traditional town centres, car dependence, a reduction in the effectiveness of public transport, a probable increase in the amount of traffic on the road and therefore in CO2 emissions, removal of tracts of countryside, and countless other issues. Roads like the outer ring road, which can currently ferry people from one end to the other in 10 minutes, can become giant car parks when too much is built along them. This is what has happened to the M50 in Dublin.

Now I am not against out of town shopping in all shapes and forms. Large warehouse retail has to go out of town and every suburb/neighbourhood should have its convenience shopping facilities. But major, comparison retail should be overwhelmingly in the city centre, particularly for a city as small as Waterford, because otherwise we will very quickly be hit by the problems outlined above.

Dublin city centre serves an immediate population of at least half a million people. Waterford city centre should be able to serve the 80,000 or so people in a ten mile radius, without resorting to huge developments on the outer ring road.

The first thing that needs to happen in Waterford is for the city centre to become stable. The Newgate centre, if it goes through (decision due on the 24th Jan), should accomplish this. The addition of new retail and the likely rejuvenation of the streets between it and city square will make an enormous difference.

Psychedelic

merlante wrote: »

The Newgate centre, if it goes through (decision due on the 24th Jan), should accomplish this.

i was told today that the decision will be announced this Thursday the 10th, not the 24th? fingers crossed it gets the go-ahead.

merlante

Psychedelic wrote: »

i was told today that the decision will be announced this Thursday the 10th, not the 24th? fingers crossed it gets the go-ahead.

Oh right. When I last looked at the ABP website it was the 24th, but the sooner the better. Fingers crossed as always.

EDIT:
Says the 9th Jan below!
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/224299.htm

trishw78

merlante wrote:

Roads like the outer ring road, which can currently ferry people from one end to the other in 10 minutes, can become giant car parks when too much is built along them. This is what has happened to the M50 in Dublin.

There is nothing built along the M50 except for the toll bridge there's on and off ramps to various parts of dublin. But as for retail there isn't any. The reason the M50 is a moving carpark is because when it was when it was initially built DCC/CoCo never thought about how much traffic would actually use it to by-pass the city centre to get to the airport or other side of the city. Hense the reason it is currently being upgrated, and the toll bridge makes me nervous everytime I have to go near it Which isn't that often thank god

merlante

trishw78 wrote: »

There is nothing built along the M50 except for the toll bridge there's on and off ramps to various parts of dublin. But as for retail there isn't any. The reason the M50 is a moving carpark is because when it was when it was initially built DCC/CoCo never thought about how much traffic would actually use it to by-pass the city centre to get to the airport or other side of the city. Hense the reason it is currently being upgrated, and the toll bridge makes me nervous everytime I have to go near it Which isn't that often thank god

I don't drive myself so I'm most going on what drivers tell me, but I seem to remember having to hit the M50 for places like Liffey Valley. Otherwise I'll defer to the wisdom of others.

I think the point still stands though, the ORR is vulnerable to out of town development, which, if it diverted a sizable portion of the traffic that currently hits the city centre, could cause severe traffic problems. All you'd need is one roundabout backed up and things could escalate from there.

With a population of 50,000 people (+10,000 in Tramore) I don't really see us getting an outer-outer ring road any time soon.

Sully

Meatwad wrote: »

...IN my opinion debenhams is gonna kill the town completely the way they have driven river island out.When other shops open up on the ring road over the next few years the town will end up like carlow years ago, nearly a ghost town.

River Island left, but there opening a bigger and better store in Waterford (as soon as the council get there finger out and do some work) then previous. So its a good thing in the end.

I cant see Waterford Center being a ghost town. It will be good to see the variety of shops spread out. All we need now is a proper bus service to bring people out.

Of course I blame the Polish.......after all aren't they to blame for everything else?

I assume your joking. Its a crap joke.

fricatus

Meatwad wrote: »

IN my opinion debenhams is gonna kill the town completely the way they have driven river island out.

Are you kidding? Retailers locally will tell you that Debenhams was the only thing that saved this year's Christmas season in Waterford. It's now just about the only major shopping draw that Waterford alone has in the south-east.

Friends of mine in Kilkenny rarely shop in Waterford, but when they do head down, it's mostly because there isn't a Debenhams in KK.

Meatwad wrote: »

...the town will end up like carlow years ago, nearly a ghost town.

I think you're wrong, but good example nevertheless of a town that was essentially dead, but reinvented itself by getting Superquinn in on Barrack St and Tesco and others into the Fairgreen centre. Kilkenny people go to Carlow in preference to Waterford because it's slightly closer, but mostly because parking is easier and the road there is miles better.

Carlow's renaissance is proof positive of what Waterford will be able to do if we can get M&S and BT to locate here.

Meatwad wrote: »

Of course I blame the Polish.......after all aren't they to blame for everything else?

Sully, you may not get his sense of humour, but I do.

Not The Real Scarecrow

Agree wiyh you totally on the m&s thing.Believe that this is necessary but heard rumors that they might be setting up shop on the ring road.A few months ago heard from a reliablesource that the new gate centre or what ever its called basically has only a few shops to go into it and these are places that exist already , he said as far as he knew m&s had pulled out.Of course this is only rumor to a certain degree but I wouldn't put it past the council to create another trinity square.

fricatus

Meatwad wrote: »

Agree wiyh you totally on the m&s thing.Believe that this is necessary but heard rumors that they might be setting up shop on the ring road.A few months ago heard from a reliablesource that the new gate centre or what ever its called basically has only a few shops to go into it and these are places that exist already , he said as far as he knew m&s had pulled out.

I doubt M&S has pulled out of anything, especially since both the First City and Newgate Centre developments are due to be decided by 24 January:

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/224952.htm
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/224958.htm

Has that deadline slipped from 9 January? At this rate they'll decide it in 2009!

Meatwad wrote: »

Of course this is only rumor to a certain degree but I wouldn't put it past the council to create another trinity square.

It's not the council that's building this centre, but anyway there's no way we'll get another Trinity Square. This place will have two big department stores. Check out the plan:

http://www.newgatecentre.com/

merlante

I think the link I posted above is the main plan -- that's for the 9th Jan. Not sure what the other links are for.

fricatus

merlante wrote: »

I think the link I posted above is the main plan -- that's for the 9th Jan. Not sure what the other links are for.

Sorry... I'm a dope! The link you posted (http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/224299.htm) is of course the correct one.

Baby4

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Bards

Discussed here http://www.051.ie/forum/viewtopic.php?t=184&start=20

Feb 11th is the new decision date

Baby4

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JohnC.

So when will it be moved to next? 17th March? And when they realise their error, move it back to 1st April and nobody will believe them.