Live 1/2 hand

TommyGunne · 12-09-2007 3:57pm #1

4 handed 1/2 cash game in the jackpot.
Hero(UTG): 450
Player 1(BTN): 200
TAG(SB): 200
Boardie Villain(BB): Circa 300

Action:
Hero straddles to 7 with JTo.
2 calls.
Villain completes in BB.

Pot: 28

Flop: 4 8 T rainbow.

SB checks.
Villain leads for 20.
Hero calls.
2 folds.

Pot: 68

Turn: T

Villain bets 40.
Hero calls.

Pot: 148

River: Q

As river is being dealt, villain asks what the pot is(Note: does not call pot), and pushes 150 forward with very little pause.

Action and comments on all streets please.

Note: Villain(Theresalwaysone) and I have played together before and are relatively familiar. He is a TAG but is well capable of making moves at any stage/floating regularly. No reads for particular hand.

LuckyLloyd · 12-09-2007 4:01pm

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TommyGunne · 12-09-2007 4:08pm

Edited to include Villains stacksize.
Both of us are winning on the night. Both of us have bought in for 200.
Straddle isn't live.
Can't pump straddle as it isn't live.
On this night so far i have been relatively active so far(without much 3-betting) but haven't shown down muck or been caught at it.
Straddles were uncommon but I was bored and wanted to play some big pots vs. Player 1.

LuckyLloyd · 12-09-2007 4:15pm

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Hawk Eye · 12-09-2007 4:16pm

I think I fold this river, he doesn't seem to put off by the only draw completing J9. Also you don't beat that many T's that he could be completing with.

LuckyLloyd · 12-09-2007 4:22pm

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mrflash · 12-09-2007 4:23pm

1
7

coillcam · 12-09-2007 4:30pm

mrflash wrote:

you should not be in the hand in the first place with that rubbish.

He has straddled - if this a "live" straddle he can check or raise like another big blind, vs a standard straddle(which is basically a blind raise) where he can't raise. He automatically sees a flop here as everyone has called the 7.

Hawk Eye · 12-09-2007 4:31pm

LuckyLloyd wrote:

I expect this villain to not full pot with a really strong nut type holding judging from previous posting history. You beat a few 10s and I could see this villain completing 102s+. So I would call.

You probably know villain alot better than I do but I just can't see someone betting into 4 players and then firing another 2 barrels OOP with stuff we beat. I know hero's hand is very strong on the river for a 4-handed game but we are behind so much {44 88 T8 QT KT+} and you rarely if ever see a bluff here.

TommyGunne · 12-09-2007 4:32pm

Originally posted by mrflash
you should not be in the hand in the first place with that rubbish.

What?
I straddled blind so i didn't have much choice in being in the hand. I straddled as Player 1 was very weak, Player 2 is a nit, I can usually get a handle on Villain.
Even if i don't straddle, i am very happy to open raise in this game with TJ as there is very little 3-betting in this game, it will fare ok against most better hands, and Player 1 is very very bad.
Its 4 handed ffs

TommyGunne · 12-09-2007 4:37pm

Originally posted by Hawk EyeYou probably know villain alot better than I do but I just can't see someone betting into 4 players and then firing another 2 barrels OOP with stuff we beat. I know hero's hand is very strong on the river for a 4-handed game but we are behind so much {44 88 T8 QT KT+} and you rarely if ever see a bluff here.

Understood. However considering this player completes with most hands here is his play consistent with a smaller 10/bluff??

Van Dice · 12-09-2007 4:38pm

mrflash wrote:

you should not be in the hand in the first place with that rubbish.

TommyGunne wrote:

What?
I straddled blind so i didn't have much choice in being in the hand. I straddled as Player 1 was very weak, Player 2 is a nit, I can usually get a handle on Villain.
Even if i don't straddle, i am very happy to open raise in this game with TJ as there is very little 3-betting in this game, it will fare ok against most better hands, and Player 1 is very very bad.
Its 4 handed ffs

I echo this, but I would also add 'lol wtf'

BigCityBanker · 12-09-2007 4:44pm

Flash do you actually play poker? Or do you just watch it on tv?

Even if he hadnt straddled it is 4 handed. I do not advocate folding J10 4 handed when you have position on 2 of your opponents. In fact id probably open raise this.

LuckyLloyd · 12-09-2007 4:45pm

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AKQJ10 · 12-09-2007 4:55pm

id fold as i rarely see theresalwaysone try to bluff people he has down as a good player off pots. to me it looks like he knows you have a ten and as bet that much cause he thinks you will call.

mrflash · 12-09-2007 4:56pm

coillcam wrote:

He has straddled - if this a "live" straddle he can check or raise like another big blind, vs a standard straddle(which is basically a blind raise) where he can't raise. He automatically sees a flop here as everyone has called the 7.

my apoligies there sir.

mrflash · 12-09-2007 4:58pm

BigCityBanker wrote:

Flash do you actually play poker? Or do you just watch it on tv?

Even if he hadnt straddled it is 4 handed. I do not advocate folding J10 4 handed when you have position on 2 of your opponents. In fact id probably open raise this.

I misread this post, and i am wrong, wrong, wrong on all three points i have made so far.

Theresalwaysone · 13-09-2007 12:34pm

Jesus Lloyd why don't you just say it instead of hiding it behind thinkly velied comments...

"theresalwaysone is a spewbox"

Thanking you.

LuckyLloyd · 13-09-2007 12:47pm

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Mr.Plough · 13-09-2007 12:48pm

i think i fold here. your only really ahead of a weaker t or a bluff.
The river bet makes me want to call though, which is why i would fold if i had alot of history with him.

ligger · 13-09-2007 12:50pm

As Theresalwaysone signs off with "Give me 910 suited" I think you win. I would call anyway

Van Dice · 13-09-2007 1:05pm

TommyGunne wrote:

As river is being dealt, villain asks what the pot is(Note: does not call pot), and pushes 150 forward with very little pause.

That's kinda weird, does this mean the bet was being made irrespective of the river or just that it was instapotted? And does Ms L. Waysone usually lead top pair any kicker on the flop here?

Theresalwaysone · 13-09-2007 6:02pm

Van Dice wrote:

And does Ms L. Waysone usually lead top pair any kicker on the flop here?

Screw you hippie

Van Dice · 13-09-2007 6:36pm

:d

Slash/ED · 15-09-2007 2:54am

AKQJ10 wrote:

id fold as i rarely see theresalwaysone try to bluff people he has down as a good player off pots. to me it looks like he knows you have a ten and as bet that much cause he thinks you will call.

Depending on how seriously your all taking the game (They can degenerate into madness...I remember the hand we played blind until the river when I'd rivered nuts and you'd rivered top two pair, for example) I agree with this. If it's not that kind of game, this is a fold against theresalwaysone I think in this spot.

Theresalwaysone · 15-09-2007 1:38pm

Ok well I think it is time for results. Tommy my man, won't be on this forum again til monday earliest and I want to see whats up.

I got lucky.

I had J9, I bet the flop for two reasons, Betting my draws (which Conor knows I rarely if ever do) and because as it was checked to me, I knew other two players would fold as they were nitty and uninterested also I felt conor doesnt want to get involved with me.

The turn: Here is my mistake, I bet again, although I know conor is capable of floating also and will bet all of his flop calling range here if checked to him.

This is why I enquired about pot size before the river was dealt.

River: Q (bingo)

I pop up 6 green chips and slide them in without pause.

He thinks for a while, I know by his turn call that a weak ten was his most likely holding and that he wanted to get to a cheap showdown but that he would pay me off given our history if I made a big bet.

I think my only mistake here is betting the turn. I really dont like it.

Live 1/2 hand

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