New PES 2008 info?

Vic Vinegar

Found this nice taster of what to expect...

http://www.consolemonster.com/preview.php?id=0000000835&cat=handson

Looking sexy!

Keith186

Cheers!
It better be miles better than the 360 version last year, it wasn't a real PES game at all.:(

NeoKubrick

Keith186 wrote:

Cheers!
It better be miles better than the 360 version last year, it wasn't a real PES game at all.:(

It was. You, and others, just couldn't look past the fact that it had no edit mode. In terms of gameplay, it was the best in the series. And that's why we play PES, for the gameplay, right?


Oh, and small world, ConsoleMonster used to be one of my e-haunts. haha

Vic Vinegar

It's funny cos i was critical of pes 6 but when my 360 broke we dusted off the xbox and pes 5, going back to that was terrible. We managed 2 games! pes 6 is sooo much better gameplay wise.....

KdjaCL

NeoKubrick wrote:

It was. You, and others, just couldn't look past the fact that it had no edit mode. In terms of gameplay, it was the best in the series. And that's why we play PES, for the gameplay, right?


a

The 360 is the worst ever since ISS2, only people who havent got it for Ps2 or PC think otherwise.

kdjac

Zapp Brannigan

KdjaCL wrote:

The 360 is the worst ever since ISS2, only people who havent got it for Ps2 or PC think otherwise.

kdjac

Agreed. PS2 gameplay wipes the floor with the 360's. But the Live integration of the 360 is why I'm prolly going to purchase 2008 on it.

NeoKubrick

You're both living in a dream-world. The Xbox 360 build of PES6 had the best gameplay and most realistic. I've played the PS2 build. It's an arcade game; it's a run and bugshoot game. And PES2008 is based upon the build of the PES6 Xbox 360 version; so, Seabass & Co. obviously think it's a better game and more realistic interpretation. :rolleyes:

Nailz

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you Neo buddy... the PS2 kicks the shít out of the 360 fun wise, thats what PES is all about.

TheGreatOne

Nailz wrote:

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you Neo buddy... the PS2 kicks the shít out of the 360 fun wise, thats what PES is all about.

Agreed!!

Lets hope they resurrect the awesome end to end, non stop style of gameplay of WE10 on the 360 with 2008. I'm not asking for a carbon copy, but integrating that style of play is what is required!! Loads of goals, shots, 1 on 1's and slick passing. Realism can be taken to too high a degree IMO, which only serves to get in the way of just enjoying the game. PES6 on the 360 for example, I can count on one hand the amount of really exciting games I've had with friends or on XBL. I've literally stopped playing it now because it just bores the crap outa me.:(

Paying WE10, alone or with friends, was possibly the most fun I've ever had with any game on any platform ever!!

Vic Vinegar

NeoKubrick wrote:

You're both living in a dream-world. The Xbox 360 build of PES6 had the best gameplay and most realistic. I've played the PS2 build. It's an arcade game; it's a run and bugshoot game. And PES2008 is based upon the build of the PES6 Xbox 360 version; so, Seabass & Co. obviously think it's a better game and more realistic interpretation. :rolleyes:

I'm with you on that one dude!

Mikeyt086

PES 6 PS2 = 40m screamers, 4 or 5 a game. disgarceful goalkeepers.

PES 6 360 = 40 screamers, 4 or 5 a year, sence of achievement.

I played ALOT of both, and on PS2 random stuff happened all the time. 360 is alot more of a footballing sim.

Zapp Brannigan

The keepers in the 360 are disgraceful aswell. Nearly always getting beat at their near post and are so ridiculously easy to round. I also think supercancel is fubar'd in the 360 version.

Nailz

mountain lips wrote:

I'm with you on that one dude!

Aw yeah! You always have to go against me!;)

AdrianII

gonna go with the 360 version
it kicks ass

Nailz

May you tell me why it "kicks ass"?

jimmy456

this looks cool

LegacyUser

This looks fantastic.

And quit hating on the 360 version of the game, i actually preferred it to my ps2 and my pc. The only advantages the pc had was downloadable jersey patches etc for the game.

All of you slagging the game off ridiculously on the 360 is pretty unjustified in my opinion unless you are slating it for having less features i.e. no edit mode...then you have a point. But gameplay was practically perfect.

Vokes

PC version > All


But seriously, its a fine game for the most part on both PS2 and Xbox (I can't discern any huge difference in gameplay between the two) - some people need to chill :S


Aside, in a commuter paper today, I've seen a PES2008 ad congratulating Owen on his 40 England goals. And the cover art of the game has C. Ronaldo and Owen now - was this not originally just C. Ronaldo ?

Zapp Brannigan

No, Owen has been confirmed for quite a while now. It's prolly why they chose Newcastle as a licensed team.

In other news it's been officially confirmed that the release date is the 26th

Aedh Baclamh

The PC version is easily the best out of the three but unfortunately my system here wouldn't be able to handle it too well. Next would be the PS2 version which I have, then last the xbox one (gameplay being cack on it).

If you've any decent PC, get it on that.

Vic Vinegar

cheesedude wrote:

.........But gameplay was practically perfect.

Yes! Exactly

KdjaCL

cheesedude wrote:

This looks fantastic.

And quit hating on the 360 version of the game, i actually preferred it to my ps2 and my pc. The only advantages the pc had was downloadable jersey patches etc for the game.

All of you slagging the game off ridiculously on the 360 is pretty unjustified in my opinion unless you are slating it for having less features i.e. no edit mode...then you have a point. But gameplay was practically perfect.

the fact its **** and lsuggish is good enough for me, the main thing being the sluggish part, you cant control the ball and a diagonal slide tackle can take the ball at any time.

PC you can stop the ball and move it with ease 360 just doesnt allow that due to the crap game engine used.


kdjac

Mossy Monk

Any news on a demo being released?

NeoKubrick

KdjaCL wrote:

the fact its **** and lsuggish is good enough for me, the main thing being the sluggish part, you cant control the ball and a diagonal slide tackle can take the ball at any time.

PC you can stop the ball and move it with ease 360 just doesnt allow that due to the crap game engine used.


kdjac

It's not sluggish. It's just not the fast arcade game that PES6 is on the PS2 and PC. It's football as it is, not as a fast video game (a la Sensible Soccer). I can control the ball no problem; I can stop the ball.

One of the main reasons some fans object to the Xbox 360 version is that it doesn't let them play a run and bugshoot game; it actually requires you to pass the ball.

KdjaCL

NeoKubrick wrote:

It's not sluggish. It's just not the fast arcade game that PES6 is on the PS2 and PC. It's football as it is, not as a fast video game (a la Sensible Soccer). I can control the ball no problem; I can stop the ball.

One of the main reasons some fans object to the Xbox 360 version is that it doesn't let them play a run and bugshoot game; it actually requires you to pass the ball.

Only people i know who like the 360 version are 360 owners who dont have it for pc or hate playstations.


I have it for all 3 and honestly the only reason i can see that people play it on 360s is that they have no other choice.

kdjac

LegacyUser

KdjaCL wrote:

the fact its **** and lsuggish is good enough for me, the main thing being the sluggish part, you cant control the ball and a diagonal slide tackle can take the ball at any time.

PC you can stop the ball and move it with ease 360 just doesnt allow that due to the crap game engine used.


kdjac

Your being overly harsh and very exaggerative in my opinion.

How on earth you can say "You can't control the ball" is crazy...a diagonal slide tackle can take the ball away at any time?....That's just madness.

LegacyUser

KdjaCL wrote:

Only people i know who like the 360 version are 360 owners who dont have it for pc or hate playstations.


I have it for all 3 and honestly the only reason i can see that people play it on 360s is that they have no other choice.

kdjac

I have it on the pc, had it on the playstation and own it on the 360 and all I am saying is that the gameplay is perfect on the 360.

To be honest, I think the problem is quite simple, it's when any new pes game comes, people say it's **** and harder to use etc....so when you are playing it on the 360 as opposed to on the ps2 or the PC, it's like a different game in terms of speed of play and some people don't like this adjustment and call it **** and sluggish...

These people need to look at themselves and realize the game is not that bloody bad...and that it is practically perfect game play wise....

KdjaCL

These people need to look at themselves and realize the game is not that bloody bad...and that it is practically perfect game play wise....

Its not that bloody bad and is perfect gameplay wise hows that work

Since the game out over a year ago only yourself and Neo are the 2 people to say thats its brilliant on this forum, others accpeted it as the only pes they could get.


kdjac

LegacyUser

lol

I mean like fair enough in terms of features, it is the worst, probably the ****test pro evo ever out....

But when you forget about the editing crap and just go straight in....i think it's a gem...

I'm not gonna lie man, when I first played it on 360, it was in my friends house and I was still playing it on pc and ps2....

And then when I bought a 360 mainly cos i traded in my psp and a **** load of games my mate gave me, I started playing pro evo on it more and then after a few hours on it, i was like "This is just as good..."

I used to hate the controller and stuff. So in my opinion, I am convinced it is just like playing a new pro evo...that whole adjustment phase....but i really like it....

NeoKubrick

KdjaCL wrote:

Its not that bloody bad and is perfect gameplay wise hows that work

Since the game out over a year ago only yourself and Neo are the 2 people to say thats its brilliant on this forum, others accpeted it as the only pes they could get.


kdjac

I couldn't care less if everyone in this forum said they preferred PES6 on the PS2. The Xbox 360 version is better, gameplay-wise, and the fact that Konami are building upon the Xbox 360 build, and not the PS2 PES6 build proves which version Seabass & Co. think is better.

Vic Vinegar

NeoKubrick wrote:

I couldn't care less if everyone in this forum said they preferred PES6 on the PS2. The Xbox 360 version is better, gameplay-wise, and the fact that Konami are building upon the Xbox 360 build, and not the PS2 PES6 build proves which version Seabass & Co. think is better.

Agreed.

Aedh Baclamh

I think the Xbox Pro Evo lovers might be a little outnumbered lads. It has it's qualities but PES6 on it isn't one of them I'm afraid.

WellyJ

I've played every incarnation of this great series since the days on the snes,

Including every Winning Eleven import,

And the Xbox 360 version of PES6 (which I bought) is one of the worst.

It is MILES better on the PC and PS2,

I will probably go for PES2008 on PC and PS3 and skip the 360 version.

Oman

NeoKubrick wrote:

I couldn't care less if everyone in this forum said they preferred PES6 on the PS2. The Xbox 360 version is better, gameplay-wise, and the fact that Konami are building upon the Xbox 360 build, and not the PS2 PES6 build proves which version Seabass & Co. think is better.

double aggreed

LegacyUser

At the end of the day, if your happy with the one u have, then your happy and that's all that matters!!!!

Julez

I have both and there both good in their own ways, both have good pro evo gameplay, but slightly different from each other, the xbox 360 takes more passing and so on to score, I think if you just play one of them solidly then you'll grow to prefer that one.

PHB

PC version is the best. The XBox version is too slow and is a less skillful game. Passes go astray all the time. It's much more difficult to really take control of your defender and properly defend, the computer tries to do it for you, and hence it gets ****ed up.
I've played a lot on all three consoles, all pvp so don't care about any edit mode issue, and the 360 is the slowest most boring version. Hopefully, and from what I've seen and read, this will be fixed in the next version, cause the Live aspect is really incredible.

Oh yeh, don't even get me ****ing started on the controller, jesus christ, make a ****ing working d-pad. You can't control anywhere near as well with a stick.

NeoKubrick

PHB wrote:

PC version is the best. The XBox version is too slow and is a less skillful game. Passes go astray all the time. It's much more difficult to really take control of your defender and properly defend, the computer tries to do it for you, and hence it gets ****ed up.
I've played a lot on all three consoles, all pvp so don't care about any edit mode issue, and the 360 is the slowest most boring version. Hopefully, and from what I've seen and read, this will be fixed in the next version, cause the Live aspect is really incredible.

Oh yeh, don't even get me ****ing started on the controller, jesus christ, make a ****ing working d-pad. You can't control anywhere near as well with a stick.

As I've said, Xbox 360 version isn't slow. It's slow in comparison to the pace of the arcade PES6 version on the PS2 and PC. Passes don't go astray all the time; so, I don't know where you got that from. I can take control of my defender easily. Basically, you're crap at the Xbox 360 version and you blame the game, right? Right.


Oh, and the stick is fine to play with.

WellyJ

NeoKubrick wrote:

As I've said, Xbox 360 version isn't slow. It's slow in comparison to the pace of the arcade PES6 version on the PS2 and PC. Passes don't go astray all the time; so, I don't know where you got that from. I can take control of my defender easily. Basically, you're crap at the Xbox 360 version and you blame the game, right? Right.


Oh, and the stick is fine to play with.

"Arcade PES6 version on the PS2 and PC"

Hahaha,

What a ridiculous comment

NeoKubrick

WellyJ wrote:

"Arcade PES6 version on the PS2 and PC"

Hahaha,

What a ridiculous comment

If you think that the gameplay in the PS2 and PC versions of PES6 is football, you obviously don't watch football.

KdjaCL

NeoKubrick wrote:

Oh, and the stick is fine to play with.

PHB is a freak and plays with the D pad, dunno how but does and hes actually quite good at it, online and offline, sober/pissed


kdjac

NeoKubrick

KdjaCL wrote:

PHB is a freak and plays with the D pad, dunno how but does and hes actually quite good at it, online and offline, sober/pissed


kdjac

The D-pad is the preferred choice among the top players and Seabass, but I think that's due to the accuracy of the d-pad on the PS2 controller and the utter crap analogue sticks on said controller. There's quicker reactions with the sticks, though, as you don't have to shift your weight (as you have to press down the d-pad); you just move your thumb in the desired direction.

Both have their faults, but I prefer the analogue stick, because I play on the Xbox 360 and the placement of the analogue stick on the controller is perfect.

Oman

WellyJ wrote:

"Arcade PES6 version on the PS2 and PC"

Hahaha,

What a ridiculous comment

i'm begining to think that wellyj is a bit of a freak

WellyJ

You mean there is an actual REAL SPORT and this is only a game depicting it????

WTF

WellyJ

Oman wrote:

i'm begining to think that wellyj is a bit of a freak

I'm just getting tired of this argument,

Its complete bull**** to be honest,

Only an idiot can say that the 360 version plays better.

I have played the three of them extensively, and the PS2 version plays more like real football, and the PC is virtually identical, but much better looking.

Making it the best version.

How can you say that a rushed lazy port is better than the other versions is beyond me.

Anyhow, all signs are pointing to the ps3/x360/pc versions being identical this year so who gives a fúck

PHB

As I've said, Xbox 360 version isn't slow. It's slow in comparison to the pace of the arcade PES6 version on the PS2 and PC.

It's slow in comparison to nearly all the previous PES6, WIE, and even the old ISS. It's a very very slow version of the game. It's slow in relation to everything

Passes don't go astray all the time; so, I don't know where you got that from. I can take control of my defender easily. Basically, you're crap at the Xbox 360 version and you blame the game, right? Right.

Actually, I'm probably better with the 360 version. However, I do think the 360 version is for people who are less skilled at the game. It is more random. The passes go astray often. The defenders often do stupid things. You can take control, but often the defenders will go in the opposite directions for absolutely no reasons, and the button to get your other defenders to pressure makes your other defenders act like utter retards. The game becomes more about chance than skill.

The stick is fine to play with, I learnt how, but it still utterly sucks in comparision to the d-pad. I think the stick is slower, as you have to move the stick all the way from one side to the other, while the d-pad is dependent on the speed of your fingers, which is much much quicker.

Everything I've read about PES2008 makes it sound like the gameplay and style is going to be based on the PC style. This has always been the style of play of the PES, bar the odd mistakes. It might use an XBox build, but that's much more likely a coding decision more than anything else.

KdjaCL

Im alt tabbing from my league to read boards and watch football, does that mean PC wins?



kdjac

NeoKubrick

PHB wrote:

Actually, I'm probably better with the 360 version. However, I do think the 360 version is for people who are less skilled at the game. It is more random. The passes go astray often. The defenders often do stupid things. You can take control, but often the defenders will go in the opposite directions for absolutely no reasons, and the button to get your other defenders to pressure makes your other defenders act like utter retards. The game becomes more about chance than skill.

The stick is fine to play with, I learnt how, but it still utterly sucks in comparision to the d-pad. I think the stick is slower, as you have to move the stick all the way from one side to the other, while the d-pad is dependent on the speed of your fingers, which is much much quicker.

Everything I've read about PES2008 makes it sound like the gameplay and style is going to be based on the PC style. This has always been the style of play of the PES, bar the odd mistakes. It might use an XBox build, but that's much more likely a coding decision more than anything else.

Have you played the PS2 and PC versions? It's a run and bugshoot game. Those versions of the game don't take skill. You can practically score from thirty-yards half of the time with a good player; whereas, you can't with the Xbox 360 version - only on the rare occasion you have time and space.

My passes hardly go astray, at all. If you're attempting to make the type of arcade and unrealistic passes as you do often in PS2 and PC version, then I can see why your passes go "astray". Position your players better.

If your defenders are doing stupid things, then it doesn't take a genius to figure out why. The AI on the Xbox 360 version is vastly superior to the PC and PS2 versions; so, you can't blame the game. And over-use of the 'X' pressure is only good in certain situations. If you're using it all the time, then there's your problem.


You're making the assumption that a player won't have his thumb pressed down on the D-pad, but every player will, the majority of the time, have the d-pad pressed down in order to move. The analogue with always be quicker, because you don't have to shift the weight of your thumb as you do when switching from left to right (right to left etc.) on the D-pad. There's more accuracy with the d-pad, in my opinion, though.

Oman

WellyJ wrote:

Anyhow, all signs are pointing to the ps3/x360/pc versions being identical this year so who gives a fúck

thats the smartest thing you've ever said and no one was here to hear it

KdjaCL

NeoKubrick wrote:

Have you played the PS2 and PC versions? It's a run and bugshoot game. Those versions of the game don't take skill. You can practically score from thirty-yards half of the time with a good player; whereas, you can't with the Xbox 360 version - only on the rare occasion you have time and space.

http://ie.youtube.com/profile?user=kdjac

Take your pic of cracking goals with **** players, they sure do make nonsense of your point.

Eircom league option file which in PES terms means that Lorient are better than all of the EL teams, all the goals above scored on highest level except the boys 1st.

Run and bug shoot..wtf earn your damn free shot on goal by holding onto the ball and getting a player into space.


kdjac

NeoKubrick

KdjaCL wrote:

http://ie.youtube.com/profile?user=kdjac

Take your pic of cracking goals with **** players, they sure do make nonsense of your point.

Eircom league option file which in PES terms means that Lorient are better than all of the EL teams, all the goals above scored on highest level except the boys 1st.

Run and bug shoot..wtf earn your damn free shot on goal by holding onto the ball and getting a player into space.


kdjac

Why did you prove my point about the PS2 and PC version taking no skill at all by showing someone score from outside the box so easily...

Seriously...