2 poker questions

User45701

First thing, i know allot of you would play poker for reasons other than a bit of a laugh with a few drinks os stick with me on this dont get pissed off because people get pissed off when i try to type this and have this conversation in a online tourney, online players are not much fun and they dont talk much, allot of them dont talk at all, i wonder is this because they dont want to or because they clicked on status and are watching the rankings instead of that chat box....

anyway

Question 1. Ods

I dont get this, lots of good poker plays go on and on about ods but ive worked something out, going all in blind has higher ods of winning than paying the blind, Becase chances are that if its just the blind instead of all in there will be more callers?

Ok then its the turn but there are so many players and so many posabalitys of differnt cards comming up and everyone including you having any combination od cards?

So when you call whatever the blind is, regardless of cards you might win what % of all hands played?

i know it depends on what cards but if you play 50 hands how many will you win?

it also depends on who your playing against ect ect i know.

Anyway if you go all in blind you take out a few players who dont want to call if noone calls you show your **** cards and always show because it increases the chances someone will call you next time because your playing the same all in blind every time so you have nothing to hide really its obvious what your doing, by showing that you went all in on 7/2 off suit you will anger the pro player who after several more all ins will call.

When you go all in at a full table its rare you will get 8 callers,, even when using play money so assume 0-2 callers average (im assuming full table with 0-2 sitter outers)

Anyway long story short all in blind gives you between 33%-50% of winning every time (assuming only 1-2 callers)

Now even if they have great hands its still all in blind because if you have 8/2 and he has A/Q

there is the exact same chance of you getting a 2 and he does getting a ace, also the more callers the better for you because its likley they all have high cards.

No before you say thats a load of bollox and all that, i know its not how you play poker, thats not how i play poker, i play play money tables like that, im not argueing a way of playing im just saying does the maths not say all in blind every time will increase the % of you winning more hands because the other person when calling will NEVER NEVER have any clue what you have 7/2 off suit or pocket A's your tatic is the same every time so thats another advantage you have.

I cant remember what my second question was...

meathman 007

and the award for the most idiodic post ever goes to...

User45701

someone got that award over 4 years ago, and i said dont bother posting if you dont understand

meathman 007

User45701 wrote:

someone got that award over 4 years ago, and i said dont bother posting if you dont understand

i think youre the one who dosnt understand

5starpool

If you try this on real money tables you will go broke very quickly, as you will not be 50% against 1 caller as he will not call with 73o, but will call with any pair, Ax, Kx, Q7+, so against any random holding he is probably close to 60% I would guess.

Also it is a stupid way to play the game. I saw a guy doing pretty much this at a table I was playing at in Vegas which was 1-2, max 300 buyin. He lost about $3k in75 mins or so, so it didn't work for him. If you are interested in this situation you should try to get a blind Omaha session going on a microstakes table. Some of the swings on this are horrendous. I lost 20 buyins in 30 mins once due to not winnings a single hand, so for this, and other obvious reasons this is a daft idea, although fun for a while.

Inquitus

User45701 wrote:

Now even if they have great hands its still all in blind because if you have 8/2 and he has A/Q

OK with this hand he wins unless you draw an 8 or a 2 so you have 6 outs or a 63% chance to draw a pair. So you already lose here 27% of the time. Your opponent also has a 63% chance to draw a pair and if he draws either pair he beats you. so of the remaining 63% you have a 63% chance to lose.

So overall you lose a shocking 67% of the time, thats not counting his straight draw chances or his flush draw chances if they are suited. I would guess that would be up to 75% in his favour.

Remember anyone who calls you will have a decent hand.

30something

USER45701, are you confusing "GOING ALL IN BLIND" (by which I would take to be putting all my money in the pot without looking at my cards and before the flop) with "GOING ALL IN ON THE BLIND" (by which I would take to be putting all m money in the pot before the flop if I was the Big Blind)?

If you could clarify a bit we may be able to express some views for you to consider.

"Ods" (by which I presume you mean "Odds") constantly change depending on how much money is in the pot. Example, blinds are 50/100. If I am 4th to act and everyone folds before me I have to put in 100 to win a pot with 150 in the pot. My odds are therefore 150/100 which is 1.5/1. If however the 3 people to act before me all call now I have to put in 100 to win a pot with 450 in it, my odds change to 450/1 or 4.5/1 (and of course I have the same cards). The better the pot odds the weaker the starting hand we can play.

The question you pose would be like my posting a question in the Physics Forum along these lines "What is the boiling point of liquid?" - it depends on what type of liquid etc.

hotspur

User45701 wrote:

people get pissed off when i try to type this and have this conversation in a online tourney,

If that's not a level it's one of the greatest things I've ever read

Flushdraw

double post

Flushdraw

User45701 wrote:

Anyway long story short all in blind gives you between 33%-50% of winning every time (assuming only 1-2 callers)

Well strike me down and call me jebus. Here i was spending hours on end reading Super System and HOH and you summarised it all in one line.

To think...i could have spent all that time wan*ing instead

premierstone

User where do you play fancy a cash game???:D