Guy Loses Job before he starts! over being honest.

brousuka

How bout this!!

A 20 something yr. old (solid chap, good working,honest etc.) is due to start work last mon week at a prestigious 5 star golf resort in County Limerick as a golf sales development executive. He already worked at the same resort in a different capacity and was very well liked by both members and staff alike. The day before he was to begin in his new role he was playing golf in his native town in a big club tournament and subsequently finished 6th. place and just had a few beers (4) as he had to be there for prizegiving that evening. All plans were in place for the following morning to leave for Limerick which is approx 2 hrs away and his brother was to collect him (just to be safe in case of alcohol limit) to drive him to the destination. Lo and behold his bro calls him at 7.30am and tells him he is delayed and can't get to him till bout 9.00am. So the guy -being a very honest chap- calls the HR manager and informs her that he is going to be inadvertantly delayed by a couple of hours approx (by voicemail as no-one at work at that early time) and no way would he drive his own car down as it was the day after bank holiday wkend and may be at risk of losing his licence if stopped at garda checkpoint and therefore he would lose his job. Anyway when he eventually arrives he is brought to the hr manager and basically fired on the spot!! well he was asked to go home and attend a meeting the following morning and then told to leave the premises, all pleads and explanations were not even slightly tolerated. Is this really fair? just for being honest?

Giblet

I wouldn't attend that meeting.

copacetic

first day in work, can't be there cos he is too drunk to drive? fire his ass.

anyway, there is no way after 4 beers early in the night that you would be over the limit in the morning. fire his ass for being stupid.

humbert

I don't get why he would lose his own job for driving down, four pints the night before would hardly put you over the limit would it? What reason was given for his dismissal?

patrickc

all they heard was beer

Thrill

patrickc2006 wrote:

all they heard was beer

Plus being a couple of hours late on his very first day at work.

He's lucky they didn't demand compensation for wasting their time.

brousuka

Well the reason was that he missed induction and that he arrived with possible alcohol in his system. But come on! like he already new everyone in the company and didn't really need induction and this guy only had 4 pints of beer, but being careful- which you have to be- wouldnt chance driving himself. OK maybe a too honest excuse,but is being honest really that bad?

bronte

It certainly doesn't look good.
I think he was right not to risk driving, but to be late on the first day or any day really doesn't give a good impression.
I'd have to agree with the others in saying all they would have heard is "I had a few drinks"
He was unfortunate.

humbert

thrill wrote:

Plus being a couple of hours late on his very first day at work.

He's lucky they didn't demand compensation for wasting their time.

It wasn't his very first day, read the post.

Can you really be fired for coming into work having had four pints the night before on the grounds that you are drunk?

I find it hard to believe they could make a case!

brousuka

He's a relly straight upstanding guy, and would be a great ambassador for th resort.

kryogen

so he goes to the meeting and explains it was an unexpected and unavoidable incident, that its not going to happen again and that since he has worked there before that they should be able to look at his employment record and see that this is out of character and give him another chance.......

if they dont comply with this just get out the M-60 and start firing!

bronte

The best thing to do is attend the meeting and explain everything..if they know him , they may change their mind. Maybe a cool off period would help.

Dirk Gently

brousuka wrote:

He's a relly straight upstanding guy, and would be a great ambassador for th resort.

are you the guy?

Mellor

even if he had his last beer at mid-night, he would of been fine to drive at 7.30

Whats the average a liver processes, a unit an hour. Still, the reaction of the manager is a little over the top

BostonB

I bet theres more to this story.

Nehpets

BostonB wrote:

I bet theres more to this story.

I bet a clown and a stripper somehow fit into it - seperately, mind you. No one wants to see a clown strip!

monkeyfudge

I wouldn't mind seeing a clown drink paint stripper though.

Thrill

humbert wrote:

It wasn't his very first day, read the post.

I did and O.K., so it was his first day at work....in his new role.

What was his previous role at the club btw?

Dirk Gently

Nehpets wrote:

No one wants to see a clown strip!

Pinker

kryogen wrote:

if they dont comply with this just get out the M-50 and start firing!

Ammm.... how exactly is he going to shoot people with a 28km stretch of motorway??? :rolleyes:

smemon

yeah that's fair.

if i was employing someone and they were hungover/drunk/drinking ON THE FIRST DAY and weren't in a fit state to drive a car, i wouldn't want them near me.

no excuses, no comeback - if you're late on the first day and admit you were drinking the night before it shows a lack of respect/intelligence/discipline.. lack of organization/communication

ok, so he rang ahead, plus he was honest - bonus points there.

but as it's the first day, plus it's a fancy 5 star hotel, they can't afford to have people like that representing them. If it happens once, it could happen again.

kryogen

Pinker wrote:

Ammm.... how exactly is he going to shoot people with a 28km stretch of motorway??? :rolleyes:

LOL apologies! i of course meant an M-60!!! damn traffic has my head frazzled:D it has now been edited appropriately:p

The Al Lad

typical Irish

"...eh... I'm going to be late today... WHICH IS MY FIRST DAY, because I'm over the limit to drive " :eek:

"but hey...I'M HONEST" :rolleyes:

will ya ever foook off

brousuka

Yea, i know, he was a bit naieve in doing this but bear in mind his new job would revolve around drinking!! ie; entertaining clients, meals and drinks after games of golf. After all that is what the whole job is all about, fancy 5 dtar hotel marketing is all about getting people who matter pissed!!!

brousuka

brousuka wrote:

Yea, i know, he was a bit naieve in doing this but bear in mind his new job would revolve around drinking!! ie; entertaining clients, meals and drinks after games of golf. After all that is what the whole job is all about, fancy 5 dtar hotel marketing is all about getting people who matter pissed!!!

Yes, getting the customers drunk, not getting oneself drunk and incapacitated.

Get over it.

AARRRGH

brousuka wrote:

sales development executive...the day before he was to begin...had a few beers...the following morning...calls the HR manager and informs her that he is going to be inadvertantly delayed by a couple of hours...by voicemail...no way would he drive his own car down as it was the day after bank holiday wkend and may be at risk of losing his licence if stopped at garda checkpoint

Can you see what happened here?

A Sale Development executive who relies on driving his car for this job, has to come into work a few hours late on his first day as he is over the limit, so he leaves a voicemail for the HR people tell them so.

Hello?

WTF?

1. Late on first day
2. Only leaves a voicemail telling them this
3. Is late because he is over the limit to drive his car
4. His car is an integral part of his job

Seriously. WTF.

brousuka

brousuka wrote:

Yea, i know, he was a bit naieve in doing this but bear in mind his new job would revolve around drinking!! ie; entertaining clients, meals and drinks after games of golf. After all that is what the whole job is all about, fancy 5 dtar hotel marketing is all about getting people who matter pissed!!!

and staying sober yourself!

2 stroke

Not fit to drive = not fit to work. No sympathy, if this had been condoned on the first morning the guy could have shown up late and drunk every morning and HR would have been powerless to sack him.

brousuka

Yea, I know, i am actually giggling myself to the reply threads - but seriously he did only have four pints - and being the day after a bank holiday wkend it would have been very risky to drive. bear in mind he was ready to leave with his brother (who was driving) at 7am. thats why when he rang the hr dept was not open. But as quoted, his brother let him down by being delayed. Its just rotten that this happened.

AARRRGH

I get the feeling brousuka is the fired dude!

Sleepy

a. 4 pints will not put you over the limit the next morning unless you have them 3/4 hours before you plan to leave
b. Even if you thought it would, why the hell would you have them the day before you start work and leave your brother having to drive you?
c. If he was that stupidly cautious could he not have got a taxi
d. If he hadn't the good sense to tell a 'got a flat but I'm on the way' lie, do you really want him working for you?

Pherekydes

brousuka wrote:

But as quoted, his brother let him down by being delayed.

Don't you get it yet? He let himself down.

brousuka

well dublindude, yeah, the guy is in bits. also, his home town is fairly rural and a taxi was not available to bring him on a 2hr journey.

brousuka

Slow coach wrote:

Don't you get it yet? He let himself down.

Are we all without a moment of insanity? especially at 7am in the morn??!

caesar

brousuka wrote:

Yea, I know, i am actually giggling myself to the reply threads - but seriously he did only have four pints - and being the day after a bank holiday wkend it would have been very risky to drive. bear in mind he was ready to leave with his brother (who was driving) at 7am. thats why when he rang the hr dept was not open. But as quoted, his brother let him down by being delayed. Its just rotten that this happened.

Lol thought you had typed "beer in mind".....hmm Im easily amused when I'm tired.

Anyway he deserved the to get fired.....like think about it from a HR pint of view or any point of view tbh. It was a ridiculous excuse to give...should have just told them that he was sick.

Reminds me of the time some of the teachers in my school couldn't come to school because of the snow....fcukin ridiculous, if anyone that works with any multinational rang in with that excuse they'd be out on their arse.

caesar

caesar wrote:

Lol thought you had typed "beer in mind".....hmm Im easily amused when I'm tired.

Anyway he deserved the to get fired.....like think about it from a HR pint of view or any point of view tbh. It was a ridiculous excuse to give...should have just told them that he was sick.

"beer in mind!"

Pherekydes

brousuka wrote:

Are we all without a moment of insanity? especially at 7am in the morn??!

Nope, you don't (get it). The moment of insanity began the previous night.

New job tomorrow? Oh yeah, I'll just get drunk tonight. Nothing can possibly go wrong.

caesar

Deleted User wrote:

"beer in mind!"

LMAO:D classic

I'm not goin to edit it either.

Thrill

If I'm starting a new job tomorrow the last thing I'm going to be is late on my first day.

The very, very last thing I'm going to be is late on my first day because I was out drinking the night before.

And the very, very, very last thing I'll be doing is ringing my new employer and telling him I'll be late on my first day because I was out drinking the night before and cant drive.

He fu*ked up, big time.

OctavarIan

He wouldn't drive because of 4 beers? He's either impossibly lightweight or ridiculously over cautious.

Doesn't change the fact that he messed up. Honesty or not, you don't ring up on your first day basically saying you'll be late because you were out drinking the night before. That's just lol. He should have said his car broke down or something, anything is better than saying you were drinking!

daveirl

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K-9

thrill wrote:

Plus being a couple of hours late on his very first day at work.

He's lucky they didn't demand compensation for wasting their time.

He rang at 7.30 to say he would be late. They where advised. Not a great start :rolleyes: but still.

Fighting Irish

brousuka wrote:

How bout this!!

A 20 something yr. old (solid chap, good working,honest etc.) is due to start work last mon week at a prestigious 5 star golf resort in County Limerick as a golf sales development executive. He already worked at the same resort in a different capacity and was very well liked by both members and staff alike. The day before he was to begin in his new role he was playing golf in his native town in a big club tournament and subsequently finished 6th. place and just had a few beers (4) as he had to be there for prizegiving that evening. All plans were in place for the following morning to leave for Limerick which is approx 2 hrs away and his brother was to collect him (just to be safe in case of alcohol limit) to drive him to the destination. Lo and behold his bro calls him at 7.30am and tells him he is delayed and can't get to him till bout 9.00am. So the guy -being a very honest chap- calls the HR manager and informs her that he is going to be inadvertantly delayed by a couple of hours approx (by voicemail as no-one at work at that early time) and no way would he drive his own car down as it was the day after bank holiday wkend and may be at risk of losing his licence if stopped at garda checkpoint and therefore he would lose his job. Anyway when he eventually arrives he is brought to the hr manager and basically fired on the spot!! well he was asked to go home and attend a meeting the following morning and then told to leave the premises, all pleads and explanations were not even slightly tolerated. Is this really fair? just for being honest?

Late for his first day at work, what do you expect

WhiteWashMan

harsh.
but id prefer to get the reasoning fromthe side of the hotel before i made a call on it. there could be a policy in place for a very good reason, and he just happened to fall foul of it.
it may not even be about the beer, or the arriving late.

just worth thinking about before making lots of accusations of unreasonableness.

but, like i said, on the face of it.... harsh.

oh, and moved to work forum

WhiteWashMan

or not coz the move button isnt working

Lazare

Not driving because of four pints the day before- LMAO

I bet those TV licence ads scare the bejaysus out of him too.



Fire that donkey.

Terry

Where is the work forum?
I can't find it.

padi89

Deserved what he got.

oblivious

Does he have to be given a formal verbal warning and then written one before been let go?

D

Starting a new job and not being there for the first day due to his own actions. The company obviously felt that he wasn't taking the job seriously. I'm not surprised that he was fired.

Make sure your friend learns from this and the next time he hopefully won't be late for his first day of work.

Keyzer

brousuka wrote:

Is this really fair? just for being honest?

Whats fair about someone trying to run a business, as opposed to a charity, taking action against someone turning up for their first day in work late due to the fact they were drinking the night beforehand and couldn't drive to work themself?

Totally irresponsible in my opinion and your attitude of "This isn't fair" is a load of rubbish.
If I was the employer I would have fired him on the spot, no follow up meeting, end of story, on yer bike mate.

Simple solution to the whole situation is don't drink the night beforehand or is that too much to ask from your new employer?