$100nl -AK

RoadSweeper

Villian is 21/13/2 over 160 hands

Green Joker Poker Savona 0.50/1, hand converted by the iPoker Converter at Talking-Poker

saw flop | saw showdown

Button tomauso ($96.05)
SB HERO ($103.05)
BB MadAgent ($143.95)
UTG MACFestas ($114.85)
UTG+1 jomil21 ($43.53)

Preflop: HERO is in the SB with K A
2 folds, tomauso calls 1, HERO raises to 3.50, MadAgent calls 3, tomauso calls 3.

Flop (12.00) Q 9 6
HERO bets 10, MadAgent calls 10, tomauso calls 10.

Turn (42.00) K
HERO bets 30, MadAgent calls 30, 1 fold.

River (102.00) Q
HERO checks, MadAgent moves all-in for 99.95


Comments on all streets please.
I was unsure whether to bet the river or not, was thinking along the lines of a $ 25 blocker bet, but checked

I had a hand similar to this at 50nl where at the time i didnt feel the king was much of a help to me as it first appears.

NeoSlicerZ

PF, raise more, say 5. I would check turn. The only draw I can see him having got there, and unless you know he floats cbets a good bit, I check the turn, I can't see him calling the flop otherwise with something that you're ahead on the turn, and if you are ahead you may get a crying call from a Q on the river. I fold the river now.

I have a penchant of hating being in a 150+ bb pot with what is basically one pair..

edit; yeah forgot to say check the flop, heh..

Captain Tom

raise more pre flop to like $4.50 or $5. oop at 100nl id probably check fold the flop a lot. id check the turn. i think it's hard to get value on this board from a worse hand. check/fold the river. he's not value shoving worse. we can only beat 78, which is unlikely in any case.

god that sounds so nitty. high five Lloyd!

NeoSlicerZ

Nittiness is not something to be ashamed of!

<---Nitty Asian Gambler.

phantom_lord

raise a bit more pf.

I think you should check the turn, c/f river.

Captain Tom

phantom_lord wrote:

raise a bit more pf.

I think you should check the turn, c/f river.

how frequently do you bet the flop? i know you've played a ton of hands at 100nl so you know better than me but c/betting these kinda flops oop vs 2 players doesnt seem like a good idea in my experience.

edit: i guess it kinda depends too much on reads on players/your image/etc to give a definitive answer.

RoadSweeper

So basically ye agree the turn isn't a great card for me?

We're putting him on 99,66,Q9,Q6,KQ JT ? Assuming he'd RR with QQ KK or AA

Captain Tom

RoadSweeper wrote:

So basically ye agree the turn isn't a great card for me?

We're putting him on 99,66,Q9,Q6,KQ JT ? Assuming he'd RR with QQ KK or AA

well we're not neccessarily checking because we think were beat (although this may easily be the case), it's because on that board and given the action it will be very hard to get called by a worse hand, especially after 2 players called the flop.

RoadSweeper

Yea, i get ya captain, so when my donk turn bet is called i can assume 90% of the time i'm behind and can assign him to that range?

mdwexford

I would bet the flop a good bit here, depending on stats obv.
I defo check the turn for pot control.
As played i fold river.

Captain Tom

yeah unless he's really spewey.

cardshark202

HU I bet the turn, three-way I would check

dvdfan

Captain Tom wrote:

well we're not neccessarily checking because we think were beat (although this may easily be the case), it's because on that board and given the action it will be very hard to get called by a worse hand, especially after 2 players called the flop.

Roadsweeper didnt include the other villains stats which i think are important in this hand, ive only a small sample but it looks like hes a bit of a donk 65/1/2 and won 20% of showdowns.

I have 2 questions because i think this is an interesting hand.

1) If we were heads up against Madagent are you still checking the turn?
2) If donks stats were over a more reliable sample is their any merit in betting the turn 3way to get heads up with donk on the river?

RoadSweeper

DVD's right. I should have posted his stats.
I have him at 68/4/0.2 won showdown 16% over 80 odd hands.

1) I think i fire 2 barrells here especially when i hit the king (saying that i fired two against 2 villians), as its folds players who just call my cbet to see if i slow down on the turn and take the pot from me, and also my hand is more disguised when its hit on the turn.
I dont think i would fire the 3rd bullet on the river as i'm only TPTK and its very unlikely im ahead of anything he shoves/bets.

2) I think its essentail to isolate the donk at evey oppertunity, the only problem is when you have a less than strong hand and you try to isolate the donk, and you get the company of the other villian instead. Do you try to win the pot or shut down?

digiman

I've played with him a bit and he was pretty nitty when I played him, seemed like a capable player who usually had the best of it, I've attached the stats I have on him, only over 230 hands or so but only 22% vpip. Was 6-tabling when I played him.
I would raise to 5 PF when i am from the blinds with a decent holding, you really dont know where you are when you raise to 4 I think, Madagent will call with a wide enough range here, he is willing to call $3 here as he can expect the other player who limped to also call, so $3 into a $9 pot is good enough here I think with his range for this which I dont think will include Q9 or Q6, I dont think he is bluffing as I can't see him calling the flop and turn without a hand when there is another player to act behind him.

Also when I am oop here against 2 players I think you should check the flop if you havn't hit some of it or at least a good draw. Betting here against 2 players who have position on you is bad I think. The K is also a really bad card for you I think, it nearly always makes his hand better or he can expect your hand to, either he has KQ, JT or a set.

I also would imagine he was on tilt during this period or maybe doing coaching or something where he was testing different types of hands as he usually only comes into a hand with a raise when I played him.