Restricted List enacted ?

bunny shooter

Lads,

heard on the grapevine from my local gun dealer that a Super in Kilkenny has refused to renew licences for all 223's, anyone confirm this ?

patbundy

hope that is only a rumour,applied 3 weeks ago for a .223

Sparks

That doesn't mean the restricted list is enacted, even if it's not just a rumour, it just means that a superintendent is not being seen by someone with a vested interest to be acting as he should, which isn't all that unheard of
The restricted list can't be snuck in without telling anyone either, it has to be introduced by statutory instrument and there wasn't one published as of Aug.31.

patbundy

sparks do you know where i can find this restricted list on the net

bunny shooter

patbundy wrote:

sparks do you know where i can find this restricted list on the net

As far as I know it doesn't exist, yet, only speculation ?

patbundy

there has to be something down on paper

bunny shooter

patbundy wrote:

there has to be something down on paper

Don't think so.

You can bet 223, 308, ALL pistols, ALL full auto, ALL semi auto and anything else he/gardai don't like

patbundy

but bs theres has to be a list,the justice dept cant operate without anything on paper,the courts cant operate without it being on paper and neither can the gaurds. so there has to be down on paper somewhere a restricted list ortherwise it has no meaning in law.

kowloon

I thought i saw an early draft of a list on this very forum.
Semis, military calibre and the like, started off a debate about .22LR being in use by the military, am i imagining this?

Sparks

Pat, as of yet, there is no restricted list (from the law's point of view). There's a draft document, which the DoJ have asked people not to circulate because it's still under heavy review. We've protested this directly and told them that it would be a far better idea to openly publish it but there's been no response so far. At the same time, remember that everything in that Department has just had a major change of boss, so you wouldn't expect speed on executive stuff for the moment.

There was a thread on all this earlier.

patbundy

thanks guys,im just reading that thread now

Saddlebags

bunny shooter wrote:

Lads,

heard on the grapevine from my local gun dealer that a Super in Kilkenny has refused to renew licences for all 223's, anyone confirm this ?

The problem here is not .223s being on any list. It is the super in Kilkenny!

bunny shooter

Saddlebags wrote:

The problem here is not .223s being on any list. It is the super in Kilkenny!

Agreed, but he/she has the final say, unless you get to the High Court

SMERSH

In the case of renewals is it not a sgt that does those? Would it not be a case where there are no new .223 licences being issued with existing certs being renewed?

So is there a big roundup of .223 rifles going on in Kilkenny right now?

When/if this list comes in, will you be simply made bring your guns to the local cop shop and say goodbye to them?

patbundy

is there anyone in here from kilkenny?,maybe they might find something out

bunny shooter

Opening post is what I was told, I know no more, hence the post

Need locals (kilkenny) to find out and report back

patbundy

true bunny shooter,sorry for shortening your name

bunny shooter

patbundy wrote:

true bunny shooter,sorry for shortening your name

I don't mind, get tired of typing myself;)

Traumadoc

Still have not got my renewal certificate- any ideas?

patbundy

traumadoc why dont you ring them tomorrow

Traumadoc

Yes I have tried to contact the FO in the station - always unavailable, never rings back.

patbundy

then you have to call in person but dont worry im told its always this slow at this time of year

rrpc

I believe it's the renewal notice he's referring to. They should all have been issued by the first week in August.

If you haven't got the notice, then you really have to call into your station. It doesn't matter if the FO isn't there, most stations have the new licences in a lever arch binder, so just ask any Garda to take your money and hand over your new licence. Explain that you didn't get the renewal notice and that's why you are there in person.

patbundy

rrpc most faos keep them under lock and key,seen it with my own eyes in my local station.i had a change of fao 2 weeks before the renewals came out.the poor girl hadnt a clue what was facing her but i give 1 thing she always return my calls.

rrpc

patbundy wrote:

rrpc most faos keep them under lock and key,seen it with my own eyes in my local station.i had a change of fao 2 weeks before the renewals came out.the poor girl hadnt a clue what was facing her but i give 1 thing she always return my calls.

Possibly true Pat, but anytime I walk into my station at renewal time the folder's on the desk ready and waiting for the next customer.

Then again mine is a very small (3 Garda) station and everyone does licences even though it's nominally the Sergeants job.

They believe in customer service in my part of the world . They even deliver the licence to you if you drop in the renewal. And if you forget, they call around with the licences and collect the cheque.

patbundy

nice one rrpc,my local is a medium size but i couldnt fault them

rrpc

patbundy wrote:

nice one rrpc,my local is a medium size but i couldnt fault them

That's good. We should always say when we get good service otherwise the overwhelming impression is created from the bad reports.

patbundy

true.im in between two stations,the one i go is grand but the other one yuck i wont even past the door

Traumadoc

I paid for the renewal in the first week of August as did my father for his firearms - just have not recieved the cert yet. I also applied for a new rifle in July and have not heard anything yet. Its a new FO, the last one was excellent good communication etc.

patbundy

give it time my friend

Traumadoc

Yes I suppose so-I previously has licenced in Australia- so none of this yearly applications bussiness.

Trojan911

bunny shooter wrote:

Lads, heard on the grapevine from my local gun dealer that a Super in Kilkenny has refused to renew licences for all 223's, anyone confirm this ?

Not sure on the renewal process, mine went through with no probs, but I have been reliably informed that anyone applying for a .223 or bigger next year will have problems due to restriction. Those who already have .223's should/will be ok, just go through the same yearly procedure.

TJ911...

cavan shooter

Will it be back to the bad old days........problems getting 223 but if you want 220 swift no problem because your licence already says 220 inches

Jonty

cavan shooter wrote:

Will it be back to the bad old days........problems getting 223 but if you want 220 swift no problem because your licence already says 220 inches

Heard a story about a guy who was refused a 223 and made an appointment to see the local super. During the meeting, the guy pulled out 2 spent rounds, one a 223 and the other a swift (He had traded the swift for the 223). The super said "I'm not going to give you a license for that big yoke" in reference to the swift. However the guy explained to the super the differences in the 2 rounds, and she granted him his 223 license.

I too heard the Similar situation about Kilkenny.

bunny shooter

Jonty wrote:

Heard a story about a guy who was refused a 223 and made an appointment to see the local super. During the meeting, the guy pulled out 2 spent rounds, one a 223 and the other a swift (He had traded the swift for the 223). The super said "I'm not going to give you a license for that big yoke" in reference to the swift. However the guy explained to the super the differences in the 2 rounds, and she granted him his 223 license.

I too heard the Similar situation about Kilkenny.

Friend of mine done same thing

Seamus357

I live in south Kilkenny (Thomastown area) I had my .223 licence renewed a couple of weeks back, no problems (thank God).
I did have problems when I first applied for the licence a few years ago. It took about 4 months and lots of phone calls and questions. I was initially told that .223 is a deer calibre and I would need a deer licence. You have to keep onto these guys. I also think it's an education issue for the guards.

GilGrissom

Apparently it is the super in Kilkenny city that is the problem. I was told the other day that no .223 licences have been issued in a very long time. I was told that there are quite a few appeals to the high court from the area.

Thankfully I do not fall under the remit of KK city gardai, but the local gun dealers are not happy with the supers stance on .223s.

SMERSH

That's a shocking state of affairs!

BryanL

why all the excitement about .223?are they ok about,308,303,6.6x55,6mm etc?

Sparks

.223 looks a lot like 5.56NATO rounds as used in Big Black Rifles.

As to the others, no, sortof, yes, yes, depends.

V Bull

Some Supers, if not the majority, are afraid to issue certs to us for rifles with similar calibres as military rifles, hence the problem with .223 which is similar to calibre used by our brave guys in green the 5.56mm. Similarly the .308 = 7.62mm, .303 old military round used in the Lee Enfield (I have a beauty), Bren LMG and the Vickers, even the old faithfull 6.5x55 can give problems in some Supers areas because they heard somewhere that it was a military calibre years ago. A little knowledge can be a bad thing........

Like the guys say, the big black rifle will always cause problems, why, because the Super or the Sgt doesnt like the look of it.

Let us not forget, the old faithfull .22lr is also a military round.............

In my old unit we also had air pistols...................

Cheers.

Saddlebags

GilGrissom wrote:

Apparently it is the super in Kilkenny city that is the problem. I was told the other day that no .223 licences have been issued in a very long time. I was told that there are quite a few appeals to the high court from the area.

Thankfully I do not fall under the remit of KK city gardai, but the local gun dealers are not happy with the supers stance on .223s.

Nobody's happy with his stance on almost everything!:mad:

Kryten

BryanL wrote:

why all the excitement about .223?are they ok about,308,303,6.6x55,6mm etc?

I'd love to get a .303 in really mint condition. Brings me back to the old FCA Days!

(Quote from only fools and horses uncle Albert) (During the war .....etc).

Seriously though! I would like to mount a scope on one of these and shoot long range target. Maybe when I get my bonus! and can put up with the b***sh*t licence application process again.

:eek:

bunny shooter

Cheers,

Maybe this is the situation, not issung anymore ? Restricted list enacted ? ! Even though it doesn't offically exist yet, but when did that stop 'em

Waiting on a Karl Gustaf 6.5x55 licence myself for trarget shooting. Told it wasn't a target calibre by garda. Waiting 2 months now......... ?

kowloon

bunny shooter wrote:

Cheers,

Maybe this is the situation, not issung anymore ? Restricted list enacted ? ! Even though it doesn't offically exist yet, but when did that stop 'em

Waiting on a Karl Gustaf 6.5x55 licence myself for trarget shooting. Told it wasn't a target calibre by garda. Waiting 2 months now......... ?

Target Calibre? WTF is that supposed to mean?
They could start pulling out that little gem for almost anything:mad:

Umiq88

Can confirm the kilkenny story .223 was sold to a guy and the super didnt like it at all i think was flat out refused and super wasnt happy with the dealer either he's now keepin tabs on the dealer utter nonsense.

rrpc

psittacosis wrote:

Can confirm the kilkenny story .223 was sold to a guy and the super didnt like it at all i think was flat out refused and super wasnt happy with the dealer either he's now keepin tabs on the dealer utter nonsense.

Yup, it happens. If the Minister would just sign in those parts of the Firearms Act that let you appeal the Supers decision to the district court, this stuff would stop.

There is no consistency from district to district. The firearms dealers should request a meeting with the Super and clear up any misconceptions.

BryanL

is a list of restricted calibres really going to help though or is it just going to be a list the gardai can point to and say, oh no it's on the list.
i mean they all seem to have it in for .223 but are okay with 22-250's or swifts.
a tricked out F-class .308 with a 42x mag scope and weighing 20lbs is hardly a big favorite for robbing purses?
Bryan

Sparks

See, there you go again with your "common sense"...

BryanL

i forgot about the , Prohibition of Common Sense Act,1956.:eek:

bunny shooter

kowloon wrote:

Target Calibre? WTF is that supposed to mean?
They could start pulling out that little gem for almost anything:mad:

That's what my fo said, new one on me, think they're going to grant it, still waiting ?