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Some hands

  • 01-09-2007 7:58am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭


    1. 2/4 Effective stacks of 350. Villain is 29/19/2.5 or something. I've been running over the table for about 2 hours and he has started playing back at me in the last half hour, 3 betting me and generally being more aggressive.

    I'm playing 30/26/3.5

    I open AJo to 14 UTG. Villain calls UTG+1. Everyone else folds.

    Flop (36)

    Jh 7s 3d

    I bet 24. Villain makes it 56.

    What to do?

    2. Villain is a good TAG, 20/17/2 or similar. Effective stacks of 500. Im playing 22/18 or so.

    He opens to 14 in the CO. I make it 54 with AKo. He flat calls.

    Flop (114)

    Kc Th 2s

    He checks, I check behind.

    Turn (114)

    5d

    He bets 100. I call.

    River (314)

    2d

    He bets 300.

    Me?

    Hand 3

    3/6 Effective stacks of 700. Villain is a retard. 50/4/4 or so.

    He limps UTG. UTG+1 makes it 20. I make it 80 with AcKh.

    Villain is the only caller.

    Flop (165)

    Qh Kc 4h

    He checks I bet 120. He calls.

    Turn (305)

    2h

    We both check.

    River (305)

    5h

    He shoves for like 500.

    Call/fold?


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭spectre


    1. He usually has a pocket pair here. Call and check the turn.

    2. I don't know. Your hand is fairly transparent but I'd be tempted to call

    3. Depends how much of a retard really. From experience, this is usually the Ah


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,953 ✭✭✭dvdfan


    Hand 1:
    Considering your Notes hes very likely to 3bet here with QQ+ and 2 pair is unlikely given the board texture, the board is fairly dry so id call and re-evaluate the turn, has he min raised like this before? Theres not really any scare cards on the turn we need to be worried about so id probably call a turn bet and fold to any river bet, i presume even though hes got more aggressive hes not going to triple barrell bluff.

    Hand 2:
    Its a tough one because of your flop check??? I dont think your hand is transparent in this at all, i would put you on QQ-JJ or KQ type of hand after you checked the flop in position and flat called the turn. He probably feels he can get you off QQ-JJ here but like i said your flop check under-reps your hand so its hard to know if hes value betting or making a play. Why did you check the flop btw? Usually when i 3bet with AK and hit im pretty much not folding on a board like this especially the way your hand is under repped.

    Hand 3:
    I dont think we can fold versus a retard, wish i could say hes unlikely to do this with the Ace because hed be looking for value from a weaker flush but hes a retard so id call because theres alot of money in the pot and again in this hand you havent shown enough strength to make him think you wont fold a TP or 2 pair type hand here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    dvdfan wrote:
    Why did you check the flop btw?

    because when you play the same people regularly, adjusting your betting frequencies is essential. if you check behind both when you hit and miss it makes your hand almost urneadable as the villain can never tell whether you're checking behind with air or a mde hand. it also gives more credibility to your delayed continuation bets and induces bluffs/calls from weaker hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    bump


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    #1 is rough, I think this is the type of board where CBs get attacked v.often. I call for sure, as he can surely do this with 88-TT and such. So I prolly call and c/f the turn, cos there are not many draws, and he should not be expecting to you fold the turn.

    #2 Well I have to call. I mean, I did induce it after all.

    #3 Fold.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,679 ✭✭✭Daithio


    fuzzbox wrote:
    #1 is rough, I think this is the type of board where CBs get attacked v.often. I call for sure, as he can surely do this with 88-TT and such. So I prolly call and c/f the turn, cos there are not many draws, and he should not be expecting to you fold the turn.

    #2 Well I have to call. I mean, I did induce it after all.

    #3 Fold.

    .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    1. I called th flop and check folded to a PSB on the turn when a brick hit. Meh. Didnlt like it, but I cant see any other way to play the hand.

    2. I called. He had TT.

    3. Dont ever call overbet shoves, even from retards :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    ianmc38 wrote:
    3. Dont ever call overbet shoves, especiallyfrom retards :(

    fyp


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭fuzzbox


    ianmc38 wrote:
    1. I called th flop and check folded to a PSB on the turn when a brick hit. Meh. Didnlt like it, but I cant see any other way to play the hand.

    Just be thankful that you didnt turn an A or a J ;).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,754 ✭✭✭ianmc38


    Haha yeah. That could have spelt trouble. I think I am going to give up calling any PSB on the river when the pot is over half a buyin and I dont have the nuts or close to it. I cant remember calling one big bet recently where I won the hand.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 657 ✭✭✭BuChan


    ianmc38 wrote:
    1. I called th flop and check folded to a PSB on the turn when a brick hit. Meh. Didnlt like it, but I cant see any other way to play the hand.

    2. I called. He had TT.

    3. Dont ever call overbet shoves, even from retards :(


    not a lot else you could do with any of these hands. did you even consider folding hand 2? it would have been a pretty incredible fold. it reminds me a bit of hectorjelly's A8d hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,639 ✭✭✭[nicK]


    quick mediocre response from a 'lost' boardsie enjoying life in santa barbara..

    1...
    the standard line is call, check/call turn and perhaps check/fold river i suppose..

    however, because you've shown so much aggression against this opponent i think this could be a perfect example of where we should have 'feel' (ha..) in a poker hand.. there really isn't a correct decision in the hand but it pretty much relys on how aggressive you've been in the past few hands and how much you feel villain is willing to play back at you in the coming hands..

    though, after showing so much aggression, almost maniacle btw, i would be more than willing to play off this image and check raise any brick card on the turn allin, for value.. (if i'm villain, i'm floating with a whole lot worse than j10s, 10s and 45s)

    obivoulsy sometimes we're up against a set but more often than not i feel we're much further ahead of his range than we think given the history.. and with your image, i think it's best to get it allin with a turn checkraise.. check folding the turn after calling the flop just feels much too weak.. meta game ftw..

    2...
    i usually fold to this river bet but it's completely dependent on how often i've been 3betting villain and how passive he thinks i'm playing..
    in a vacuum though, without any reads, i call this every time..


    3...
    fold fold,
    i'm sure his limping range is ridiculously wide but i assume suited aces/connectors and 1 gappers make up a whole lot of it so i guess after his flat call on the flop and a pretty bad turn, you can safely check/fold to showdown knowing you havn't done much wrong in the hand.. pretty weak but with these kinds of players you can only hope than you can get involved in another type of similar hand before anybody else stacks them..

    (how's life on the other end of the world btw; when are you planning on returning to the motherland?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,296 ✭✭✭valor


    I woudlnt fold 1 given the dynamics described and the fact that the range of hands we lose to is exactly 77 and 33. I prob cc turn cc any river, or crai on turn if I think he might call me with QJ or 88 or something


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