2 deep live hands at Lukes

Macspower

I'm playing circa 600 after working my up from 250..... I would have a tight enough image and havn't been to showdown without the goods so far....

Villan is to my left and has about 500 and is very active seeing every flop and calling flop bets and folding the turn a few times....

My very first hand at the table I raised him on a A high flop with AK after he donked to me and he called and folded the turn to a 75 bet...

I havn't been in a showdown with him at all really since..

I have KsQs and it's limped around to me on the button by just about everyone.. I make it 18 to go and Villan calls from UTG after limping as do 2 others...

Flop As 5s 2h villan leads for 20... I'm the only caller..

Turn Kh

He leads again for 20 and I make it 75...

Comments??

He calls after deliberating...

River is a brick 9 or something... He checks....

Action to me?

Hand 2

I'll add hand 2 later as the results of hand 1 are important for it.......

Hectorjelly

Hand I would just call the turn.

For the purposes of this hand, when you raise him with AK you are actually bluffing because he never got to see your hand. I dont think its a good idea to bluff someone twice in a row (unless they are a superb player)

Anyway, you are getting a nice price and a lot of your outs are concealed, so I like a flat call on the turn. A king or Q is great for you because you should get paid off with them. A raise is fine though considering how many outs you have, but its a danger that he could 3 bet and you have turned a profitable situation into an unprofitable one.

Now that you have gotten to the river its a simple question of, can he fold a weak ace? Will he? I think its -EV but I wasnt there.

mdwexford

If i was raising the turn id make it more, like 120 but i prefer to just call here. I definitely dont fire again on the river, your hand has showdown value and he doesnt look like giving up and is never calling with a hand you beat.

ianmc38

yeah what Daragh said. i prefer calling the turn as there's loads of concealed outs that he'll pay off when they hit. If he 3bets on the turn you're probably going to have to fold and its likely you would have gotten a PSB from him on the river if you hit any of your outs.

As played, I would just check behind the river as your hand as showdown value and he's unlikely to fold any ace with the given history.

RoundTower

I prefer calling the turn unless I expect I can get him to give up on a blank river (I suppose also if I thought he would often call with worse, but that's unlikely), so I would almost always fire again if I got this far.

If you are beating (and rolled for) 1-2 online I would recommend buying in for way more than 200 playing 1-2 live, at least after your first few sessions.

Macspower

Anyway..... the second hand is really where the decision is to be made....

In the first hand I'm pretty sure he has a raggy Ace and given my strong line I think I can get him to fold it if he only has 1 pair...... So I bet 130 to make it look like a value bet...... opinions?

Anyway Hectorjelly was spot on with his analaysis as usual.. he goes into the tank for ages repeating to himself " I cant call/can't call" he counted out the money and put it back in his stack 3 times..... then he says the famous lines... I'm outkicked here but I call and turns up A7...... I muck..

The table congratulate him on his heroic deed and he said I knew he was "at it" as he bluffed me earlier as well (the AK hand....wp HJ)

Macspower

Hand 2 happens on the next orbit after I took a smallish pot with a made str8 and F/D against an all in shortie,,,

I have K9o on the button and the same villan makes it 5 blind UTG. I now have 530 and the villan well covers..

Flop K73 he leads for 20 (very same as last time) I call...
Turn 9 he leads for 50 and I take the very same line as the last hand and Raise to 130....

He immediately and confidently anounces all in without moving a chip... my move?

RoundTower

Well I like betting more in hand 1, it is too easy for him to call when it is less than half the pot. Yes it "looks like a value bet" but on the other hand, it's just too cheap. Also I noticed how small the turn raise was, the pot was 155 and you make it 55 more, I definitely don't like this now.

What happened preflop in hand 2? You limped and there were one or two other limpers? It's not quite the same him leading 20 into a e20 limped pot as when he goes 20 into 75 in a raised pot.

Macspower

RoundTower wrote:

Well I like betting more in hand 1, it is too easy for him to call when it is less than half the pot. Yes it "looks like a value bet" but on the other hand, it's just too cheap. Also I noticed how small the turn raise was, the pot was 155 and you make it 55 more, I definitely don't like this now.

What happened preflop in hand 2? You limped and there were one or two other limpers? It's not quite the same him leading 20 into a e20 limped pot as when he goes 20 into 75 in a raised pot.

5 blind and the usual clatter of callers.... including me..

pot on the flop was about 35

ianmc38

im not folding here.

mdwexford

Given history im never folding top 2 here, i confidently call

valor

hand 2 is an easy calll

Samba

Hand 1. By raising the turn your story did not add up imo. Personally i would view his flop bet as very weak (just over a 1/3 of the pot) and I would make it 60 to go on the flop. If he tags along, i shut down unless i improve.



Raising the flop has a few advantages.


If he does call the raise he will most likely check into you on the turn, giving you a free river card option to peel off.

If you do hit your flush he will have more difficulty putting you on that hand if it lands as opposed to calling imo.

The major disadvantage to raising the flop however is we put the ball back in his court however in view of that flop bet I cannot see him re-opening the betting.

Hand 2 is a snap call pay his set off if he has it.

BTW on a scale of 1-10 what was the action like? I've yet to Visit Lukes...i've been waiting for the fish to find the pond before taking up residence.

Just saw his flop bet was just over a 1/4 of the pot... raise his ass!!!

opr

I call hand 2. I also agree with RT that while i know your trying to make it look like a value bet in hand 1 most people in this game are not thinking on that level and just about the size of the bet.

Opr

Captain Tom

hand 1 trying to bluff a live 1/2 player off top pair for half a psb is suicide.

hand 2 is an easy call.

Macspower

Samba wrote:

BTW on a scale of 1-10 what was the action like? I've yet to Visit Lukes...i've been waiting for the fish to find the pond before taking up residence.

I would say a 7.. there were plenty of fish there but none of them had stacks last night... buying in for 50/100 and reloading when they donked it off..

Previous night a guy ahd a tank of about 1500 when I sat down and he had about 100 when I left... one of the worst I've ever seen... He moved all in on me 3 times.. twice I had the nuts and value bet the river and he came over saying that he thought my bet was weak

the other time I had top set and he had bottom 2... what was funny was he had 6 8 on a J864 board and I have JJ and bet and he comes over with his 2 pr drawing dead and shouts ship it when he hits his 8 on the river :rolleyes:

I like the place anyway....

BuChan

and shouts ship it when he hits his 8 on the river [/QUOTE]

lol i like this guys style.

phantom_lord

2. snnnnaaaapppp call

mrflash

i make the call ready to sob, because i dont like the all in move without touching a chip, its a reall show of strength, he's either on ak, aa or set. There is no flush possibilities i presume.

Macspower

Thanks as usual for the advice guys... Regards the first hand I definately won't be trying to bluff anyone in a Dublin Live game off bottom pair ever again......

Second hand I snap called as suggested ... I was really looking to see if you guys would have insta called here as well given the history........result wasn't good and I handed over my stack to a set of 3's.... Cooler I guess

RoundTower

I don't think 2 is a snap call but I guess given the action preflop (now that we know it) his most likely hand is any 2 pair.