ok i have 2 noob questions

abc123456789

1- is most haunted real?

2- is there anyplaces around clonakilty, west cork that are haunted? ie. the mill in shanonvale, the church etc

thanks and sorry if its immature

highlydebased

Most haunted? Whats that?

There probably is. if the church has been decommisioned, its possible it has some paranormal activity

abc123456789

ja know that program on i think its itv about spirit hunters etc??

6th

The sites that are visited in MH have reputations from before MH got involved so in that sense its real. The show itself though has been found to make things up and get things wrong. Its a show for entertainment after all.

In its defense though it has brought alot of attention to the area and gotten thousands of people involved.

Zillah

abc123456789 wrote:

1- is most haunted real?

One of their "psychics" was resoundingly proven to have been faking his powers. The producers are also dodgy. Thats not to neccessarily say its all fake, but there is more than enough suspicion in mind to dismiss them. Maybe they have uncovered some interesting phenomena, maybe not, but they lost all right have their claims respected the moment they faked anything, in my opinion.

dubtom

Which one was proven fake Zillah.TBH I've always found that program to be sickenly fake. I'm not a believer in the first place, but their 'tricks' like using night lenses to make an eerie atmosphere, always struck me as stupid.I don't know what I found more annoying,that program or the fact my sister in law believed in it wholeheartedly.Would members of this forum believe it did more good than harm to their cause (is cause the right word)personally, it made me more cycnical, if those places they visited really were haunted, a serious investigation without the screamers and light tricks would have had me asking questions.

stormkeeper

Most Haunted "jazz up" what they experience. Yes, stuff does happen there, but a lot of the time stuff is faked because it doesn't look good if nothing happens. I've been to a few locations that MH have been to, and I've heard stuff ftom the location owners, or senior staff and they have told me stuff such as at Maes Artro, a table that shot across a room had wheels on it! Or, one of the "paranormal experiences" they had at Bolling Hall was actually the staff moving about!

Despite all this though, there is activity at said locations, and I've experienced it, but I'm afraid I don't take MH too seriously though I do believe the locations are haunted. Season one was more believeable, however after that it got harder and harder to believe things.... at least in my opinion. A lot of team members of Essex Paranormal don't really believe in MH either, which is where the seeds of doubt started to get planted...

Edit: Re your second question. It's always possible a location is haunted, especially if it has some history behind it. Unfortunately, I have no info to give on that area.

Zillah

dubtom wrote:

Which one was proven fake Zillah.

Derek Acorah. The resident Parapsychologist suspected him of cheating so he set up a trap. Essentially he mentioned to another crew member that apparently a South African jailer called Kreed Kafer had died in the location and mentioned some details.

Later on Derek "sense" this individual, gave the name and if I recal might have been possessed by him.

Turns out Kreed Kafer is an anagram of "Derek Faker".

So yeah, even if he does have immense magical powers he ruined his respectability by knowingly cheating.

stevenmu

I might be getting mixed up here, but I think he was actually in charge of sets/props etc as opposed to being a parapsychologist. That doesn't diminish the Kreed Kafer incident in any way, I only bring it up because iirc at the same location he also brought in some furniture from somewhere else, and Derek Acorah proceeded to "channel" an elaborate story about the furniture in question and it's history at that location.

hiorta

The trouble with programmes of this type is that they must regularly produce what is expected by the viewers.
Trying to advance knowledge and to reveal truth has no place in their 'raison d'etre'.
Ratings, not revelations.

Zillah

hiorta wrote:

The trouble with programmes of this type is that they must regularly produce what is expected by the viewers.

Could the same not be said of mediums and psychics?

hiorta

I suppose it could be said of many things, Zillah but psychics Yes - mediums No. Simply because their information comes from real people who happen to be considered 'dead' by many in this world.

The recipients would very soon know if it were genuine or contrived.
However, I was replying on topic and within the thread.

Zillah

hiorta wrote:

The recipients would very soon know if it were genuine or contrived.

You think its impossible to convince someone you've had contact with a dead relative of theirs?

However, I was replying on topic and within the thread.

Uh, ok. I don't think anyone was questioning your conduct...

hiorta

It is not the task of the medium to 'convince' or to 'prove' anything, Zillah. Their task is to relay whatever information they are aware of, including a physical description, cause of death, age, appearance, job(s) they held, or anything else that is being given to them.

On top of this, information known only to the deceased and the sitter - if given - such as a pre-arranged code or who they have met since 'dying' and any activities the sitter has been doing recently, but post mortem to the communicators 'death'.

The communicators desire is to try to show their loved ones that they are still alive and fully aware of all around them, still have knowledge and memory of who they were and continue to live, in the fullest sense of the word.

That is the self chosen task of the medium, because the ability is within them. Not so long ago they were set on fire publically - while still alive - just for 'being who they are'.

Another element of mediumship is in passing on information that the sitter rejects at the time, but subsequently discovers from other sources that it was in fact correct, eliminating the possibility of 'mind-reading' whatever that is.

If any of this should be thought of as 'proof' of anything, then it is the sitter who will decide.

This is a very simplistic outline of a vast and complex matter - why are some mediums more able to link closer?
Why do some sitters get fuller evidence? What factors determine such things?

Once we get to this point we are on the edge of greater understanding of Life and our part in it.

Of course, it is the God-given right of anyone to accept or reject the possibility of accurate communication between folk living on different levels of being, with or without investigation.

Zillah

Look, I was just responding to this:

hiorta wrote:

The recipients would very soon know if it were genuine or contrived.

I'm asking you if you think it is possible that a medium could fake it? The statement above seems to imply that in every case the person speaking with the medium will know for sure if they're not being genuine, which quite frankly is simply not the case.

hiorta

Good Morning, Zillah. Is it possible for a medium to fake it?
Of course!

Like all human activity, 'form' ebbs and flows.
The medium, who may have accepted todays booking two or more years ago, is subject to all the things that come along in life that influence for better or worse.

A medium in a 'flat' period has the choice of cancelling - and causing problems for others - or doing their best at the time. It seems most of them always choose the latter course. This can result in a bit of 'padding' - repeating and extending the information being given in the hope the fog will clear a little. Those folk who convey information to the medium - the communicators - seem to be able to 'pull out the stops' to get their evidence across, at such times.

This does not imply cheating, though. Mediums almost always offer to refund any fee if they themselves, or the sitter, are dissatisfied with their work.
There are a few here and there who are motivated by the fee - they may have need though - but who usually rise to a higher understanding. By your fruits you will be known, is very apt in this field and should be so.

I hope this is satisfactory Zillah, honest questions are the stepping stones to greater things. I was the greatest sceptic at one time, but the irrefutable evidence received was a marvellous key to widening and deepening Life's vista, it was all around me but I was blind to it.

stormkeeper

Well, in fairness Zillah, you have chancers/fakers (charlatans?) in every profession, Mediumship included (whether or not Mediumship can be considered a profession or not is another topic entirely, but we'll say it is for arguments sake). You could just as easily say that in my profession, the IT profession that someone could claim to be able to fix PCs, and yet just take the money and run or make things worse... or it could apply to a botched carpentry or engineering job, though in many cases it wouldn't be realised till much later on that you've been had.

jawlie

It is not only possible for someone to fake it, but is the more likely explanation when one thinks about it. There are those who are credulous and who seem to have some sort of need to believe in supernatural and paranormal events. When one thinks of Uri Gellar, Peter Popoff or Doris Collins as people who have not only made great claims about their own powers, who love the limelight and have made a great deal of money out of it. Unfortunately, they have all been demonstrated to be fakes using magicians tricks to fake their "psychic" powers.

Choose to believe in psychic powers and the supernatural if you will, but remember that not one person who claims to have such powers has eve been able to claim the $1 million put up by the Randi foundation to the first person who can demonstrate, under controlled conditions, psychic or supernatural powers.

Talliesin

Zillah wrote:

Derek Acorah.

Whenever I saw that man on television I'd have an immediate desire to run up to him, hit him a mighty smack across his head and ask "There, did you see that coming?"

philstar

most haunted is a load of ol' bollix.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW_ONN8odYs

stormkeeper

philstar wrote:

most haunted is a load of ol' bollix.....

It's entertainment, not a serious study into the paranormal, although it gives some idea of what it's like to be involved in one, though not quite, considering some nights you may get little to no activity... you never will see that on Most Haunted though, as it's all about ratings!

Zillah

hiorta wrote:

Good Morning, Zillah. Is it possible for a medium to fake it?
Of course!

Ok, cool. Thats all I was wondering, cos you said the opposite earlier.

hiorta

Zillah, the possibility of 'faking' mediumship and getting away with it is remote in the extreme. We have been discussing 'mental mediumship' in this thread, but the much rarer 'physical mediumship' has always atttracted allegations of fraud - sometimes justifiably.

In mental mediumship the medium must rely entirely on a communicator providing recognisable information, acceptable to the recipient.

Alternatively they would have to guess as to the identity, age, relationship, cause of death and so on.

It boils down to truth or trickery.
If it were trickery, it is the greatest trick in history, considering the need to repeatedly get it right.

If it were to be true, then our understanding of Life would undergo a tremendous boost. All Life survives physical death is the message, so - if you cannot die, how then should you live?
Eternal life is a God-given right and is not dependent on following any 'only true' dogma or creed.

Mediumship may be 'evaluated' by mental scrutiny, but this falls far short of actually being given astounding evidence by a total stranger.

A wee point was mentioned on 'contacting the dead' . It is the exact opposite - the 'dead' contact us - no contact, no mediumship.

Zillah

hiorta wrote:

It boils down to truth or trickery.
If it were trickery, it is the greatest trick in history, considering the need to repeatedly get it right.

Are you familiar with cold reading?

kshiel

I used to love MH, nice bottle of wine and a nice look at some interesting locations. Sadly it all fell apart when it seemed to be faked, and it is kinda clear in the way they always seem to just skip over what should be (if real) excellent evidence, but I suppose to some the pound is better than truth. But in saying that it did bring attention to the paranormal and got me very interested in some of these place and thankfully I got to visit some of them which I must say may not be entirely like they protray it but none the less have some interesting aspects to them and are worth a proper investigation or even a look into for ones self to decide for them selves what they hold.