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Anyone else notice the spate of Cardiac problems?

  • 29-08-2007 09:42AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭


    Has anyone else noticed the spate of cardiac problems thats going around, not only in football but in rugby as well?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    I posted this in another thread, but it's relevant here too.


    With the ever increasing financial pressure on clubs and managers, maybe certain players are feeling it aswell, and pushing their bodies to places they shouldn't be going. To get the edge on the guy who might take his place, to stay at the higher paying club, to get a move to a higher paying club.

    You also have to look at performance enhancing drugs that are not yet on the banned list as a possibility.

    I'm not saying this particular player, or any particular player, was using these drugs, but still, it's a possibility.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    Yeah, it's possible, or maybe it's a contaminated drug? - or is that too much of a conspiracy?


    • Amir Angwe, 29, a striker for the Julius Berger Club of Nigeria -
    • Antonio Puerta died today after suffering a heart attack
    • Clive Clarke, who collapsed on Tuesday
    • Martín Gaitán is recovering in a Cardiff hospital after suffering a "cardiac event"
    • Keeley Dorsey's fatal collapse while lifting weights at the school's athletic facility in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,994 ✭✭✭The_B_Man
    Something about sandwiches


    must be sumtin in the lucozade!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,617 ✭✭✭✭PHB


    I think it's currently due to players coming back from pre-season pushing themselves to hard.


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PHB wrote:
    I think it's currently due to players coming back from pre-season pushing themselves to hard.
    There might be an element of truth in that.....Foe was in the summer wasnt it?


    Also there was that Eastern European fella who was playin for Benfica (name is just gone!)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Miklos Feher i think, not sure if that's how you spell it, he was Hungarian i think?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    Miklós Fehér, that was a while back tho wasn't it?

    "A 16-year-old football player died early Friday after collapsing during practice at Arnold O. Beckman High School in Irvine, police said.

    Kenny Wilson, a junior lineman, fell ill at practice and lost consciousness during a team workout shortly before 11 a.m., Irvine Lt. Henry Boggs said.

    Coaches and the team's trainer gave first aid before paramedics arrived, but as Wilson was being rushed to Western Medical Center, Santa Ana, he suffered cardiac arrest and was declared dead at the hospital, Boggs said."

    http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-player18aug18,1,3773854.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california&ctrack=1&cset=true

    "Jeffrey R. Bowman, 17, died at 11 a.m., according to officials at the Kalispell Regional Medical Center, where Bowman had been since collapsing last Monday.

    Bowman fell while running laps with the team, said Bigfork Superintendent Russ Kinzer, adding there was smoke in the air from area wildfires at the time. Kinzer said it was his understanding that a "heart situation" contributed to the boy's collapse."
    http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/08/21/sports/local/25-bigfork.txt


  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    griffdaddy wrote:
    Miklos Feher i think, not sure if that's how you spell it, he was Hungarian i think?
    Yea I didnt wanna commit to that in case I was wrong, defo Hungarian and pretty sure u got the name. But he was early in the season too wasnt he? And Gaiton the Argentinine, that squad only recently got together for their WC preparations and he's competing with Contepomi for a place...... could be a pattern there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    Yea I didnt wanna commit to that in case I was wrong, defo Hungarian and pretty sure u got the name. But he was early in the season too wasnt he? And Gaiton the Argentinine, that squad only recently got together for their WC preparations and he's competing with Contepomi for a place...... could be a pattern there.


    got that one up the top ^^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Was chatting to the girlfriend about this last night, she was saying it is probably an ilness I can not spell, sounds like Midacondreal (definately not how it is spelt) but its something that can not be easily diagnosed after the event - a lever and skill sample biopsy has to be done within an hour of it happening to actually see that it did happen (the heart swells up, you have a cardiac arrest, and then the heart returns to normal)

    There is a doctor in the Mater Private that is leading research into the illness.


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  • Posts: 14,379 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jameshayes wrote:
    got that one up the top ^^
    Yeah I know, was just adding about the competition with a player like Felipe adding extra pressure to train hard.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    was it Mitochondrial Disease?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    I think it's a matter of perception rather than a 'spate'. Cases where someone dies during sporting activity receive lots of attention, so we notice them more than the more common locations for heart attacks (I understand sitting on the toilet is the most common place for your ticker to stop - something to do with the effort of forcing it out).

    A US study among student athletes reveals that there is a 1 in 200,000 chance of a student dying of a sudden cradiac arrest while engages in athletic activity. There are over 2500 professional players in England alone, while FIFA estimates that 2.5 million play football on a competitive basis worldwide.

    Therefore, statistically, it would be reasonable (all things being equal) for at least 1000 footballers to die each year of cardiac arrest. Of course professional footballers should be in better condition than the average US college athlete, so that should reduce the odds somewhat, but the current situation is probably in line with statistical probabilities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    Yeah I know, was just adding about the competition with a player like Felipe adding extra pressure to train hard.


    ah, i see... good point! maybe humpty dumpty didn't fall?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    jameshayes wrote:
    was it Mitochondrial Disease?
    yep - that would probably be it - and i was well off!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    jameshayes wrote:
    was it Mitochondrial Disease?
    Midichlorian Disease.

    I sense the force is strong in this one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭odonnell


    Is anyone here playing in the tournament at UCD on the 22nd September? Just out of interest, as I'll look out for ya and say hello. Its a charity event organised by a group of us in honour of my mate who died 5 weeks back of SADS .... it seems theres been a death every week in the news since...

    very poignant stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    jameshayes wrote:
    was it Mitochondrial Disease?

    my sister had that when she was younger, she's ok now tho, something only young ppl get or something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    jameshayes wrote:
    my sister had that when she was younger, she's ok now tho, something only young ppl get or something?
    nah - was told a fella went into a hpspital after a cardiac arrest, and was diagnosed with it (he was in his 20's), his family were tested for it and his dad had it too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭odonnell


    thinking of getting tested myself, few months back my cousin was fitted with a fecking pacemaker! Hes only 18.....

    scary stuff lads - go get checked.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Clive Clarke, who collapsed on Tuesday

    Just on the BBC Radio1 News that he suffered 2 heart attacks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,323 ✭✭✭Savman


    :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    DesF wrote:
    Clive Clarke, who collapsed on Tuesday

    Just on the BBC Radio1 News that he suffered 2 heart attacks.


    poor bloke


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 15,001 ✭✭✭✭Pepe LeFrits


    This isn't purely a sporting phenomenon lads, thousands of people, of all ages, die in this way every year. It isn't new either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭eirebhoy


    griffdaddy wrote:
    Miklos Feher i think, not sure if that's how you spell it, he was Hungarian i think?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQiowMFIw14


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    eirebhoy wrote:

    That is such a sad video, I can hardly watch it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,088 ✭✭✭Ruskie4Rent


    Tauren wrote:
    nah - was told a fella went into a hpspital after a cardiac arrest, and was diagnosed with it (he was in his 20's), his family were tested for it and his dad had it too.
    Antonio Puerta suffered from a hereditary heart disease called "arrhythmogenic right ventricular cardiomyopathy", according to wikipedia. Maybe its the same thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭jameshayes


    eirebhoy wrote:


    holy crap, he's smiling after a yellow card and then just goes down. Poor bloke. At least it was painless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,077 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    To be fair it's not only being noticed now as back in 2003/04 Miklos Feher, Marc Vivien Foe and Cormac McAnallen all died within a short space of time from cardiac problems. I did a lot of research on it then for a college assignment and a simple check can determine if a problem is there or not. It should have been made mandatory back then for all high level athletes to undergo a test but it wasn't and now it's back in the public eye again.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,124 ✭✭✭Jonny Arson


    Xavi6 wrote:
    It should have been made mandatory back then for all high level athletes to undergo a test but it wasn't and now it's back in the public eye again.
    absolutely 100% agreed, the technology and medical knowledge is there ready to be used to prevent unnecessary deaths but yet pathetic bureaucracy and laziness gets in the way. I hate this ''let them drop dead and then do something about it attitude'', especially in football.


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