Your Best Ever Fold?

Degag

Was playing in a tournie last night, was cl at start of final table. First hand i was dealt qq in the sb. utg raises, utg +1 goes all in for about half my stack, i folded and was shown aces.

It was a pretty easy fold really but it got a pile of praise from the rest of the table, saying that they are mostly beginners.

So anyway what are the best folds that ye've made and what is the biggest hand that ye've ever folded?

Primewise

folded a flush draw once, the whole table gasped

AdMMM

Somehow finding it in yourself to get away from KK or AK always makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside

Loomis

Full house; Pair of jacks in my hand, jack, queen and sixes in the river.
He had pair or queens in hand

CaptainNemo

I can fold queens preflop no problem. I can see the day coming when I can fold kings but I'm not there yet.

Postflop I mostly don't fold.

bops

IO ME 06

Second level in the tourney and I get to see a flop with KsTs

Flop comes down 68T with one spade and I call a bet from a good uk player and get it heads up

Turn comes 3s, he bets strong and I call

River comes 7s, he bets 1/3 of the pot...

I get a funny feeling and I only call !!

he shows the nuts
I show him the 2nd nuts and he goes mental!!

he looses all his stack to me soon afterwards

That hand gave me a great boost, I was freerollng the rest of the way, as i really shudda gone elbusto there

..trolling for praise tyvm

fuzzbox

Mr. Anderson wrote:

Full house; Pair of jacks in my hand, jack, queen and sixes in the river.
He had pair or queens in hand

wow - just because you were right, does not make this a good fold.

dont do it again

fuzzbox

Tackle69 wrote:

Was playing in a tournie last night, was cl at start of final table. First hand i was dealt qq in the sb. utg raises, utg +1 goes all in for about half my stack, i folded and was shown aces.

It was a pretty easy fold really but it got a pile of praise from the rest of the table, saying that they are mostly beginners.

So anyway what are the best folds that ye've made and what is the biggest hand that ye've ever folded?

When you fold QQ to this action, just place your hand in the muck and say nothing.

Dont let them know that you can fold a hand as strong as QQ preflop.

bops

fuzzbox wrote:

When you fold QQ to this action, just place your hand in the muck and say nothing.

Dont let them know that you can fold a hand as strong as QQ preflop.

v good advice - you'll get walked over by decent players

Loomis

fuzzbox wrote:

wow - just because you were right, does not make this a good fold.

dont do it again

The only thing to beat his would be me having pair of sixes in hand instead. Think that bluff would make the other fold?

Mr.Plough

i duno, folded a k high straight flush in a mess home game. he had the royal flush

knew it was rigged though so it doesn't count.

Scouser in Dub

You do not need to turn a full house into a bluff to win the pot the vast majority of the time

Jaden

Final table, on the bubble, low M (everyone under 10) Donkmament. 5 Left.

Button pushes. I look down at AQs, on he BB, think, and fold. He shows AK, goes mad.

Chucky the tree

The thread title should be changed to "Your worst ever fold" judging by the replies.

fuzzbox

Chucky the tree wrote:

The thread title should be changed to "Your worst ever fold" judging by the replies.

I hear that.
Also - didnt Bops actually call?
So it should be - "Your worst ever fold, or a call that you made where you could have raised but didnt"

aidankk

Jaden wrote:

Final table, on the bubble, low M (everyone under 10) Donkmament. 5 Left.

Button pushes. I look down at AQs, on he BB, think, and fold. He shows AK, goes mad.

I would say folding aq in the bb aginst a button push in this type of tourney would generally be a mistake.. Button range has got to be massive..

ionapaul

I remember this fun hand from live cash in Sydney:

I raised with AhQx preflop and got three callers - flop was something like 9h8h6h. Can't remember the postflop betting but am fairly certain I bet and was flat called by all three on both the flop and raggy turn - I remember thinking from previous experience on the table and with those players that I was ahead (fond memories of playing those Aussies). The river was 7h.

It was folded around to me and I value bet my 3rd nuts - in Sydney such a bet would often be called by someone with any heart in their hand, hell I would often be re-raised by someone 'trapping' with Kh, Qh or Jh here! Suddenly all the money went in! Re-raise by the next to act, all-in by the 2nd to act and called by the 3rd to act. I folded and the girl who re-raised me called in a flash with the 10h for the nut straight flush.

Easy fold as it turns out (I was 100% certain I was behind one or probably both straight flushes), what was amusing was the cards held by the other two who went all-in/called - sure enough one had the Kh and the other had the Qh and couldn't understand how I folded the Ah when I told them an hour later.

In Sydney most players will call any bet chasing the flush draw. Fun times. I'm gonna have to write down some of the funny hands / situations I remember from the 7 months I spent playing live cash there, before old age steals the fond memories from me!

Shadowless

I folded a T on a TcTd9c9h6c board after villan pushed over my river value bet for twice the pot. :D

Seriously though HJ folding the nut flush on a non-paired board playin omaha when the guy held the straight flush is the best one I've read.

Jaden

aidankk wrote:

I would say folding aq in the bb aginst a button push in this type of tourney would generally be a mistake.. Button range has got to be massive..

Absolutely. Except that I was 80% sure he had AK, making my call unprofitable. I've watched this guy play AK maybe 15-20 times, and he was doing everything he normally did. It was the lack of confidence shown at the potential race that gave what he had away.

Good read, leading to a good laydown.

fuzzbox

Shadowless wrote:

I folded a T on a TcTd9c9h6c board after villan pushed over my river value bet for twice the pot. :D

Seriously though HJ folding the nut flush on a non-paired board playin omaha when the guy held the straight flush is the best one I've read.

That was me

Theresalwaysone

Ironically mine was last night and then this thread is on this morning. Jackpot cash1/1.

Im in Late position with KK, Paddy UTG+1 Makes it 3 to go, tight but solid player beside him makes it ten, folded around I make it 35, Paddy goes all in for 25 and tight guy repops it.

I asked him did he have aces, he didn't say anything but shook his head real quick. I showed my fold and immediately regretted it.

Edit to say: given the action I think most of the posters on here lay it down.

5starpool

I have folded the nut house at least once in Omaha, but in a "it's obvious he has quads" hand, so not that much (say a 888Q2 board and some random action). I have to say I usually pay off in these situations though and have donated to quads often unfortunately

5starpool

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Edit to say: given the action I think most of the posters on here lay it down.

You'd be amazed I'd say. Most of the posters here would not show if they folded though.

ollyk1

I once cold folded KK utg online and dodged aces and jacks which hit a set*.



*I had two tables open and the wires seemed to be crossed so when I pressed fold on table 1 it folded my KK hand on table 2.

Theresalwaysone

5starpool wrote:

You'd be amazed I'd say. Most of the posters here would not show if they folded though.

Yeah, I probably shouldnt have. Being the "big player" and all that. Meh, I regretted it, lesson learnt. Saying that though, I dont think any of the players at the table would have know how to take advantage of it. I couldnt see them putting serious pressure on me on a bluff because of it.

El Stuntman

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Ironically mine was last night and then this thread is on this morning. Jackpot cash1/1.

Im in Late position with KK, Paddy UTG+1 Makes it 3 to go, tight but solid player beside him makes it ten, folded around I make it 35, Paddy goes all in for 25 and tight guy repops it.

I asked him did he have aces, he didn't say anything but shook his head real quick. I showed my fold and immediately regretted it.

effective stacks?

Theresalwaysone

I had maybe 120, paddy had 25 and tight guy had nearly 200. Effectively for my fold I was being asked to call 90 to win 184. I dont think it was a mistake.

El Stuntman

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I had maybe 120, paddy had 25 and tight guy had nearly 200. Effectively for my fold I was being asked to call 90 to win 184. I dont think it was a mistake.

I'm never folding there unless the guy has a big red sign flashing on his head that says 'BEWARE!!!I have aces!!!'

even then, I probably still call, lol

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

I had maybe 120, paddy had 25 and tight guy had nearly 200. Effectively for my fold I was being asked to call 90 to win 184. I dont think it was a mistake.

It should be a huge mistake. If it's not a very big mistake, then I hope you enjoyed your game with Bob Stupak!

Shadowless

fuzzbox wrote:

That was me

Apologies!

Requiem4adream

Chucky the tree wrote:

The thread title should be changed to "Your worst ever fold" judging by the replies.

I think it's going to be hard to find many genuinely brilliant laydowns that are actually the correct play. The big laydowns most people seem to remember are ones where some sort of instinct or feeling ambushes everything they know about the game and muscle-memory takes over and you suddenly find yourself motioning your hand towards the muck.

I'd be more inclined to want to hear the laydowns without too much analysis of them. Everybody makes poor calls and poor laydowns, for the right and wrong reasons.

I cant really think of too many stand-out ones ive made, there was 1 fairly straightforward one that kinda irritated me: laying down 22 on a board that eventually read 25255.

Theresalwaysone

Why is it a mistake? Im not getting the odds to draw to a set, and there really isnt any hand a tight yet solid player is repopping with there other than aces or kings? And Im sure as hell not calling for a split.

30something

I am incapable of making a good fold, never mind a great fold, but have seen a couple made against me especially in the "early days" when I only played huge hands.

eg1 - Fitz scalps when a guy folded KK to me on a Q high flop after preflop action, i showed my AA

eg2 - Fitz scalps when a guy folded QQ preflop to me when I was bb after his raise was reraised and I followed with an AI (okay, not spectacular but I couldnt fold here) - I took it down with KK v original reraisers QQ!!!!!

Seen a couple of TV specials where a pro folded K high flush (2 of the suit in his hand) to another guys AI on river, other guy duly shows A high flush AND
same pro lays down nut flush on a paired board a diff player (same tourney) who duly shows the boat.

I really think the ability to correctly lay down a monster is the difference between a good player and an absolutely brillaint player.

Clareman

I remember seeing Gus Hansen throwing away an open ended straight flush once, I think it was shown on the Full Tilt podcast

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Why is it a mistake? Im not getting the odds to draw to a set, and there really isnt any hand a tight yet solid player is repopping with there other than aces or kings? And Im sure as hell not calling for a split.

If I've read it right you had 120 at start of hand. Pot is now 180 and you have 85 left, you have the odds you need v a range of KK/AA/AKs. And I don't see why QQ shouldn't be in that range too, as well as AKo, and arguably other hands. To fold is very non-standard, and a fold is solely read based rather than standard hand analysis. I guarantee if you put that on 2+2 you would get <10% fold. But good read though!

Czarina

I folded AhJh in a cash game to an all in bet which had me well covered with an A and two rags on the flop. I showed the fold and several guys at the table started going on about what a terrible laydown it was.

The other guy turned over AcKc, and the lads started talking about what a brilliant laydown it was!

ollyk1

Czarina wrote:

I folded AhJh in a cash game to an all in bet which had me well covered with an A and two rags on the flop. I showed the fold and several guys at the table started going on about what a terrible laydown it was.

The other guy turned over AcKc, and the lads started talking about what a brilliant laydown it was!

location of said cash game please???

El Stuntman

ollyk1 wrote:

location of said cash game please???

always shootin' them angles olly....

BuChan

lol

ollyk1

El Stuntman wrote:

always shootin' them angles olly....

Are we not here to help each other?? :rolleyes: I just needed to understand the context of the laydown is all....

Theresalwaysone

Van Dice wrote:

If I've read it right you had 120 at start of hand. Pot is now 180 and you have 85 left, you have the odds you need v a range of KK/AA/AKs. And I don't see why QQ shouldn't be in that range too, as well as AKo, and arguably other hands. To fold is very non-standard, and a fold is solely read based rather than standard hand analysis. I guarantee if you put that on 2+2 you would get <10% fold. But good read though!

You did read it right. Yes, I know any typical players range here is qq-aa, AKs and AKo,. This guy tho was fairly tight. This was more of a "feel" fold than a maths fold

spectre

I usually know when I should fold but I never actually go through with it. Folding is for wimps

Van Dice

spectre wrote:

I usually know when I should fold but I never actually go through with it. Folding is for wimps

That's how I play too lol

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

You did read it right. Yes, I know any typical players range here is qq-aa, AKs and AKo,. This guy tho was fairly tight. This was more of a "feel" fold than a maths fold

Yeah suppose obviously in this thread all folds will be read based, nobody makes a big laydown otherwise. I gave up making big laydowns about a year ago though so I don't know too much about them lol, I hate most of the ones posted so far though!

Theresalwaysone

Anyway, I disagree about making crying calls because "you have his range crushed", yes it is a factor in decisions but you have to use all the info available to you and tbh, this guy was too tight to be doing this with anything other than aces. If I went with the purely maths point of view and my equity against a typical repotting range here I'd have to call but i knew (this one time) that I wasnt good so I made a crying fold.

El Stuntman

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Anyway, I disagree about making crying calls because "you have his range crushed", yes it is a factor in decisions but you have to use all the info available to you and tbh, this guy was too tight to be doing this with anything other than aces. If I went with the purely maths point of view and my equity against a typical repotting range here I'd have to call but i knew (this one time) that I wasnt good so I made a crying fold.

lol, this level of live nittery makes me never want to play in the Jackpot...

Theresalwaysone

Man I just know this is gonna get me in trouble....

Maybe read based folds such as this apply more for live poker than online? I am just asking DO NOT SHOOT ME.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

I laid down 4 7's after an all in bet on the turn to me, unfortuneatly i clicked the fold button instead of call, that has gotta be a terrible laydown:o

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Anyway, I disagree about making crying calls because "you have his range crushed", yes it is a factor in decisions but you have to use all the info available to you

KK preflop aint a crying call! Thing about your fold is that you need to be right almost all the time.
Re hand ranges, using all the info available to you always ends up with you arriving at a range of hands for the villain. Your assignment range for him was [AA]. Against which KK is an easy fold, as his range has you crushed.
I don't think that your range is realistic, hence with the range I would assign, KK is an easy call. And if I think I am ahead of someone's range, I wouldn't ever consider it a crying call. Obviously if I thought he only did this with AA I would change my range for him and fold (nah who am I kidding, I still snapcall)

nice1franko

€20 FO home game. We were paying presents for big hands (everyone in the game not just everyone in the hand):

€20 for royal flush
€10 for straight flush
€5 for 4 of a kind

Anyhoo, I'm bb and massive chip leader, folded to SB who is 2nd biggest stack and completes. I check with 45 os.

flop: 4s5x5s
sb checks, I bet pot, sb calls

turn: 7s
sb checks, I bet pot, sb calls

river:6s
sb checks, I fold

sb knocks table over trying to strangle me cos he's got 8s and I just robbed him of the pressies haha he was fukcing bulling

ionapaul

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Man I just know this is gonna get me in trouble....

Maybe read based folds such as this apply more for live poker than online? I am just asking DO NOT SHOOT ME.

Could be a selective memory thing going on as well - I remember many of the big read-based laydowns I've made live but probably disregard the times I've made a similar read-based laydown and my read was proven incorrect. This is just how our human brains seem to work! Our mental framework seems to make it impossible for most individuals to analyse their play objectively, so the 'disconstructing player x' threads are even more useful than ever in this context.