Is dublin behaviour in matches going to far

AdrianII

Im not taking a swipe at any teams, but whenever dublin play they always seem to be in the opponents faces when they miss scores and chances. Your man vaughan did it against laois and the full back and cluxton today were at it, the GAA need to bring something in to stop this sort of stuff happening

meathman 007

it is something that happens all over the country, but this dublin team have taken it to a whole other level - it is discusting, it is blatantly obvious that it is a pre-planned tactic to put the opposition off..... this level of abuse does not happen in other sports - in rugby if a guy misses a conversion, the other team dont come into his face and abuse him etc etc - dublib have brought a whole new level of depravity to this years championship and i am delighted the most talented team won today

5uspect

There has been a lot of discussion about the behaviour of Dublin players and fans alike. Won't do them any favours in the long run.

D. Coughlan

That kind of behaviour does more harm than good, as Dublin learned today. It's shows that Dublin really haven't matured at all and until they do, they won't be seeing Sam back

K-9

D. Coughlan wrote:

That kind of behaviour does more harm than good, as Dublin learned today. It's shows that Dublin really haven't matured at all and until they do, they won't be seeing Sam back

+1.

They got away with it against Laois because the game was over, but you don't do that against Kerry and get away with. Donaghy got it from Armagh last and gave it back after that goal!

It seems to be creeping into a lot of counties.

bill_ashmount

I think it's more a symptom of fear than arrogance. They are desperate for an all-Ireland, but they aren't good enough. To be taunting a Kerry player for missing is almost funny, their team is riddled with all-Ireland medals and it's not going to phase them.

jackbhoy

I hate to see this again, I was actually shouting for dubs until Casey and rest of them started that childish sh!te. Bannon is a terrible ref, he can't ref at club level and gave some shocking decisions today, made no attempt to clamp down on this (but gave frees for nothing elsewhere), until refs do these players have no incentive to stop.

Oh and please dub fans, when you get back and read these don't start the whole "all culchies are out to get us" and "everyone does it, but we make a big deal when its dublin", it has nothing got to do with it(from my point of view anyway!), I have fallen out with players at my own club for doing this and it is wrong no matter who does it. If one of my club/county players do it I don't try to defend it, its irrelevant whether others do it or not.

Hard luck to you all anyway, at least you know a sam is round the corner, I might spend the next 50 years going to games without ever seeing us win one

mdwexford

The ref was shocking today alright.

I just put it down to gamesmanship and it doesnt bother me.

D. Coughlan

mdwexford wrote:

The ref was shocking today alright.

I just put it down to gamesmanship and it doesnt bother me.

Worst ref I have seen in a long while, but I reckon overall he favoured Dublin more than Kerry, so it didn't have much effect on the result

Daysha

They had their excuses during the Laois match (that was the first time it happened, happens just as much all over the country etc) but no excuses this time. They are worse than other counties, no matter what anyone else says. And if they continue like that rather than focusing on a way of defeating the All Ireland Champions, Sam won't be going to Dublin for a long time.

sharkman

Sorry , did you see the off the ball shoite by Kerry today . The ref was redarded , never mind blind .

jackbhoy

sharkman wrote:

Sorry , did you see the off the ball shoite by Kerry today . The ref was redarded , never mind blind .

I know him from club games and he's regarded as poor by players at that level, I was amazed that he was given what was obviously going to be a tough game to referee.

He gave bad decisions both ways but some very soft ones for dubs in kick-able positions. Although he was eager to hand out yellows he refused to give any players second yellows/tickings because he hadn't balls to send anyone off, if he applied the rules consistently in second half Casey (couple of slidi ng takcles/footblocks) , Sherlock (striking, albeit soft enough ) and Galvin (playing the man without even looking for ball) would've got the line, there maybe other incident i missed but they're ones i seen....

Stimpyone

Take that you Trolls!!

upthedubs.jpg

If you think that Dublin are the only county that participate in this behaviour then you are sorely misguided, or have only ever seen a game on the TV.

It seems very fashionable to have a pop at the Dubs but for most counties their time would be better spent looking inward.

mikemac

Stimpyone, can you tell me what role the "maor uisce" has? It's in your photo

Did a search but found nothing.
Sorry for offtopic post

dregin

mdwexford wrote:

The ref was shocking today alright.

I just put it down to gamesmanship and it doesnt bother me.

Donegal had Bannon in the league final and again against Tyrone in Clones (may have been Armagh in Ballybofey, not sure) and he was completely inconsistent with his decisions in both games. I said this earlier while watching the match and was told he's considered one of the top refs in the country?????

Huggles

micmclo wrote:

Stimpyone, can you tell me what role the "maor uisce" has? It's in your photo

Did a search but found nothing.
Sorry for offtopic post

Waterboy

meathman 007

Stimpyone wrote:

Take that you Trolls!!

upthedubs.jpg

If you think that Dublin are the only county that participate in this behaviour then you are sorely misguided, or have only ever seen a game on the TV.

It seems very fashionable to have a pop at the Dubs but for most counties their time would be better spent looking inward.

eh nobody is denying it happens elsewhere, fact is, dublin are the one who are always at it and are the team who have developed it as one of their 'tactics'

Stimpyone

Jaysus, from a Meath man thats gas.... for clarification seem my previous post.

micmclo as TheGooner said it's a waterboy.

jackbhoy

Stimpyone wrote:

If you think that Dublin are the only county that participate in this behaviour then you are sorely misguided, or have only ever seen a game on the TV.

It seems very fashionable to have a pop at the Dubs but for most counties their time would be better spent looking inward.

See below, taken from #7

Oh and please dub fans, when you get back and read these don't start the whole "all culchies are out to get us" and "everyone does it, but we make a big deal when its dublin", it has nothing got to do with it(from my point of view anyway!), I have fallen out with players at my own club for doing this and it is wrong no matter who does it. If one of my club/county players do it I don't try to defend it, its irrelevant whether others do it or not.

MayMay

I'm from neither Kerry or Dublin (or Meath or Cork!) and I can honestly say Dublin are the worst team for this kind of silliness....if you didn't see that today you need to go to Specsavers!:rolleyes:

Stimpyone

jackbhoy wrote:

See below, taken from #7

Fair play to you. But I'm not sure what your point is. I've already stated that every county is guilty of it which doesn't make it right but here we are.

jank

Stimpyone wrote:

Fair play to you. But I'm not sure what your point is. I've already stated that every county is guilty of it which doesn't make it right but here we are.

Can you point them out to us then oh wise one!!:p :rolleyes:

copacetic

meathman 007 wrote:

eh nobody is denying it happens elsewhere, fact is, dublin are the one who are always at it and are the team who have developed it as one of their 'tactics'

rubbish, your anti dublin bile is obvious to everyone. There were a couple of incidents today, that was it. There were piles of off the ball charging into peoples backs by Kerry and they constantly walked past Vaughan before his frees shouting abuse. Where are the complaints about them?

This is just another anti dublin thread. simple as.

jank

There were piles of off the ball charging into peoples backs by Kerry and they constantly walked past Vaughan before his frees shouting abuse. Where are the complaints about them

Thats part of the game, but goading players after missing points etc is taking it to a new (lower) level, hence the title of the thread!?

Discuss please with out resorting to white washing this type of behaviour. Even some of your own fans say its not on and I personally have never seen this in hurling or football.

You should know better than that, your a mod!

Yeah, Dublin were terrible today. The proof of this is how they got the most yellow cards, and frees awarded against them.

Oh...

K-9

jank wrote:

Thats part of the game, but goading players after missing points etc is taking it to a new (lower) level, hence the title of the thread!?

Discuss please with out resorting to white washing this type of behaviour. Even some of your own fans say its not on and I personally have never seen this in hurling or football.

Well as Paul Curran said on the Sunday Game, you answer it by scoring 1-3.;)

And the clinching point as well! There was no verbals from Dublin then.;)

I Have seen other counties do it. Needs to be stamped out.

Stimpyone

jank wrote:

Thats part of the game, but goading players after missing points etc is taking it to a new (lower) level, hence the title of the thread!?

Discuss please with out resorting to white washing this type of behaviour. Even some of your own fans say its not on and I personally have never seen this in hurling or football.

You should know better than that, your a mod!

Man your feckin gas!. Just re-read your own post again.

They are allowed unsportsman like behavour because it's part of the game!!!:rolleyes:

Again I will reiterate "every county is guilty of it which doesn't make it right"

Your argument seems very confused and I suspect your just a troll at this point.

jank

Stimpyone wrote:

Man your feckin gas!. Just re-read your own post again.

They are allowed unsportsman like behavour because it's part of the game!!!:rolleyes:

Again I will reiterate "every county is guilty of it which doesn't make it right"

Your argument seems very confused and I suspect your just a troll at this point.

Im not confused at all boy!
At the end of the day its wrong whoever does it.

If I want to troll then I can do that no ends.
Sportsmanship is part of the game, like it or not.
These actions are bringing more trouble then its worth to dublin

However, are dublin doing them selves dis-service by mouthing off to opposing players when they hit a wide. Its against the rules in other sports like rugby and soccer.

Anyway thanks to that tactic the Kerry forward in question ended up man of the match so did it really help dublin.....


kerry are no angels but dubs defeated themselves in a way

(penny drops....)

Would you like to see someone take the blame for such things? It was totally cut out in the 2nd half so id expect caffery or the ref had a word in to cut the **** out.


Anyway better luck next year.
This will be the 5th time in a row cork will have had a all ireland finalist
Your day will come....some day....soon......maybe........whenever...;)

Erin Go Brath

Sportsmanship is bang out of order! I'm pretty sure 95% of posters here would concur with that. There was one incident with O 'Sullivan (I think) missing a handy one, who was goaded, apart from that a non issue during this game, certainly nothing compared to the disgraceful carry on during the LEinster final.

This goading lark is a relatively new phenomenon afaik. I hope, and pray it doesn't remain a feature in the next few years. An automatic yellow for transgressors anyone??? I'd certainly approve anyway!

Flukey

Dublin were up to antics today were they? Dublin were not going down with a serious dose of cramp in the last 10 minutes of play. In fact, the biggest time wasting was done by Stephen Cluxton, when his team were still behind, which proves that it was not Dublin that who were involved in gamesmanship. As to in your face stuff, it was not on the level of a certain..., okay, let's avoid the G word, who really does it "in your face."

K-9

Flukey wrote:

which proves that it was not Dublin that who were involved in gamesmanship.

So the Dubs where just encouraging O'Sullivan to do better next time then.

Wait, maybe they where, he scored 1-3.;)

Nalced_irl

Im not even gonna comment on this. No-one else does it and Brogan didnt get it at all today eh?..........to the original question...no.

Stimpyone

This thread is going nowhere, but for the record.

Games·man·ship

1. the use of methods, esp. in a sports contest, that are dubious or seemingly improper but not strictly illegal.
2. the technique or practice of manipulating people or events so as to gain an advantage or outwit one's opponents or competitors.

sports·man·ship

1. The fact or practice of participating in sports or a sport.
2. Conduct and attitude considered as befitting participants in sports, especially fair play, courtesy, striving spirit, and grace in losing.


Some people on here can't tell the difference.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

Time Magazine

Myth wrote:

Yeah, Dublin were terrible today. The proof of this is how they got the most yellow cards, and frees awarded against them.

Oh...

You missed the point entirely.

The OP is not talking about frees or yellow cards. He's talking about being a prick when the lad you're marking misses.

Nalced_irl

Well, wouldnt expect a "hard luck" or whatever from most of you. I may point out that while Meath are a huge rival of Dublin, we gave our "hard lucks" and the likes to them and made it clear we respected their achievements this year, but Dublin get this. A load of bollocks if u ask me. Kerry were throwing punches galore in the first half then dropping like flies once they went ahead in the second. If you cant see that, your retarded!

Stimpyone

Nalced_irl wrote:

Well, wouldnt expect a "hard luck" or whatever from most of you. I may point out that while Meath are a huge rival of Dublin, we gave our "hard lucks" and the likes to them and made it clear we respected their achievements this year, but Dublin get this. A load of bollocks if u ask me. Kerry were throwing punches galore in the first half then dropping like flies once they went ahead in the second. If you cant see that, your retarded!

What did you expect. It's the same every year unfortunately, and it's our own fault to boot apparently.

Ah well.

Nalced_irl

tbh, im not gonna let crap like this take away from our lads. They did us proud and were glad to be blue. If people want to make any Dublin achievement into a "were blah blah blah" let em. We lost but were not gonna disappear like certain "fans" did here. Up the Dubs and thanks for what they did this year!

kmart6

What punches were these that the Kerry team were throwing in the first half?! And would ya go away with yer whole 'we're proud of ye lads' sh1t because it just doesn't wash,at the end of the day all they have to show for it is a ****ty Leinster where there was no serious compition!

mdwexford

kmart6 wrote:

What punches were these that the Kerry team were throwing in the first half?! And would ya go away with yer whole 'we're proud of ye lads' sh1t because it just doesn't wash,at the end of the day all they have to show for it is a ****ty Leinster where there was no serious compition!

Very jealous indeed

tallaghtoutlaws

Watched the game today and as a neutral although a Dub I dont support the GAA so have no reason to be biased to Dublin(Just clearing that up)

What happened today and many of the games this season for yes is bad attitudes from players and management a like but also needs to be taken by the scruff of the neck on the field by the ref. From what I saw at least 4 Dubs should have been made examples of and sent to the bench. Kerry were no Angles today either there was a fair few off the ball incidents involving their players also. When in Rome and all that.

The ref had abosolutely no control on that game today. It was a free for all and I watched the game with friends from the US and they were shocked to see the lack of authority in the game. Any Dub who honestly thinks the Dublin players were angles seriously needs help and any Kerry fan who thinks they were Angles also needs to wise up and jump of the wagon as it takes two to tango.

Dont forget when someone retaliates the aggressor usually gets away without being noticed. Dont forget you dont have to use your fist to do your talking.

Best team won on the day.

Flukey

Dont forget you dont have to use your fist to do your talking.

Yeah, some use their elbows.


Kerry were right "angles" yesterday. They have a few acute "angles" amongst them too. :rolleyes:

quad_red

level of myopia is disappointing and bodes ill for the future of sportsmanship in football.

There really was an ethos of bitterness and bile in Croker yesterday. The SCREAMING around us when O Se went off injured. ALLOT of 'fans' around the stadium booing him as he went off injured and the ones near us screaming that they hoped his 'cruciate was ****ed' (!?!?!?). The constant screaming in our faces when Dublin scored. Everything Kerry was player was cursed continually, every decision that went against Dublin because the ref was a Kerry c**t, Gooch is a 'f*cking rapist' ( ), Galvin needs to be 'f*cking beaten' :eek: .

I have never heard anything like it.

Good natured banter is part of the game. But from where we were sitting there NO respect for the opposition, ANY criticism explained away as biased against Dublin/lies/Dublin just being smart and utilising gamesmanship. Screaming 'personal' insults about players, hoping for injuries, holding up imaginary cards for everything (even situations where the foul was obviously committed by a Dublin player. When the ref doesn't go with the Croker verdict the bile and genuine outrage was astonishing to see!).

It was some game of football today. But I lost allot of respect for Dublin today. I hope that genuine Dublin fans don't take umbrage from my comments and they are obviously anecdotal in nature but I hope and expect the Cork game to be a more enjoyable experience. Win, lose or draw, at least there will be some respect shown.

yop

Again the dubs show their lack of respect to other teams by prancing around in front of the opposition after a miss like the smacked up baboons they are.

Acted like kids and then smacked like a child into defeat. Another media driven overy hyped fiasco comes to a crashing end. Hail Kerry!

Slicklink

Ah yes the same oul names coming up to knock the Dubs. Same oul eejits who probably never played GAA nevermind at championship level.

Dublin are no more at "this" than any other team. If you want to define goading you only have to look to say the antics of the laois team this year (and yes thats directed at the fool who posted that the Dublin team beat noone this year to win the Leinster - infact its the last 3 Leinster Titles - and Laois have won none as a result).

Not one person noticed the antics of the Kerry half back line anytime Mark Vaughan went to take a free ??? well ? And if we are going to talk about sportmanship, I would say that the Dubs were the more sporting of the 2 teams out there yesterday. Kerry for all their so called quality didnt come to play football in the first half - and that was quite obvious, too busy trying to get as many Dubs booked as poosible. Too much off the ball incidents for my liking. Even after the half time whistle. If only those brave men had the courage to say take on Ciaran Whelan, rather than the smallest man on the pitch in Jayo. I wont even talk about the antics of so called "star" with Ross McConnell, its a pity McConnell didnt send him into the top row of the Cusack. Perhaps the Dubs will learn from these mistakes and follow in the Kerry teams footsteps of Italian soccer tactics of jersey pulling and time wasting.

Quality team my arse, the only thing that beat the Dubs yesterday was the Dubs through Caffrey's tactics.

The sad thing is that Cork will now win the All Ireland and that really is a bitter pill to swallow.

yop

Slicklink wrote:

Ah yes the same oul names coming up to knock the Dubs. Same oul eejits who probably never played GAA nevermind at championship level.

So only people who have played Championship level GAA should post :rolleyes:
This gets better and better

Slicklink

yop wrote:

So only people who have played Championship level GAA should post :rolleyes:
This gets better and better

No but its what I have come to expect from the mob mentality on this board.

I have no problem if someone has a legitimate point. Fair enough.

Well you had something really inciteful in your post yop, hadnt you. Tell you what I'll let you be the judge yourself. Do you only read your own posts ? Be honest.

You could of course go on and continue with the bandwagon of ill informed idiots in this thread.

jank

he SCREAMING around us when O Se went off injured. ALLOT of 'fans' around the stadium booing him as he went off injured and the ones near us screaming that they hoped his 'cruciate was ****ed' (!?!?!?)

This i thought was the worst incident in the game. Booing a multiple all star and all ireland winner as he goes off injured. You can imagine his desire to come back on in the 2nd half was partly due to that.

yop

Slicklink wrote:

No but its what I have come to expect from the mob mentality on this board.

I have no problem if someone has a legitimate point. Fair enough.

Well you had something really inciteful in your post yop, hadnt you. Tell you what I'll let you be the judge yourself. Do you only read your own posts ? Be honest.

You could of course go on and continue with the bandwagon of ill informed idiots in this thread.

so your an idiot if you condone the way the Dublin behaved again, so all the other posters, commentator, pundits and journalists have it all wrong and Dublin are right. Read what your own fans are sayin, the guys who yes support their team but have the balls to say it how it is.

Kerry are far from angelic, but they don't go hopping around in a lads face when he misses.
As for the abuse that O'shea got, go to any soccer match in Ireland or the UK, this is rife, hopefully we will never need to get to the stage of segregation.

bill_ashmount

Slicklink wrote:

Quality team my arse, the only thing that beat the Dubs yesterday was the Dubs through Caffrey's tactics.

The sad thing is that Cork will now win the All Ireland and that really is a bitter pill to swallow.

2 facts:

1. Dublin aren't good enough, it's not anti-Dublin bias, it's just reality.
2. If Cork win it, they deserve it.

copacetic

jank wrote:

Thats part of the game, but goading players after missing points etc is taking it to a new (lower) level, hence the title of the thread!?

Discuss please with out resorting to white washing this type of behaviour. Even some of your own fans say its not on and I personally have never seen this in hurling or football.

You should know better than that, your a mod!

are you nuts? how is shouting abuse at someone just before they take a free 'part of the game' and abusing someone when they miss a free something you have never seen in football :rolleyes: ?

I didn't whitewash anything, I simply sad Kerry were just as bad behaved as Dublin today yet the usual anti-dublin bandwagon rides on. It's a joke tbh.

Tazdedub

I see the usual shower on here again with their usual anti bile crap.

Anyone who say that this sort of behaviour doesn't go on in other counties is talking out of their arse. It goes on in every county and the higher the level you play at the more it happens.

As for O' Se getting jeered by the crowd when he went off in the first half probably had something to do with the cowardly act of running up behind a player and shouldering them in the back. The referee was about to book him for this and I think he would have seen red only for he was taken off. I dont see any comment on that incident.

I would advise people to take a good look at the game yesterday and see what was going on from both teams. The pulling, dragging, fouling and mouthing abuse at each other. Both teams were at it. If you want an example of it take the Donaghys foul on Ryan as he was going through on goal, he should have seen red for that.

I wish Kerry all the best in the final and I hope they win. Its bad enough loosing yesterday but please god don't Cork win.