1/2 Live, Help please

Theresalwaysone

Late in the night, few 300bb + stacks. Very unusual game, very loose in parts and then tightens up considerably every once in a while. Halfbaked,a spewy Jackpot Dealer and some good solid players at the table.

Im in the CO with 35o,


Peter makes it 5er on the blind. Villain is BB, one of the weaker players at the table but has been playing very tight and only shown down the goods.

Called around to me and I call as does the SB.

Flop 339 two clubs.
Pot 45

Villain Checks, everyone checks to me and I bet 20.
Villain Cold calls.

Everyone else folds.
Pot 85
Turn is a Q. ( no club )

Villain Checks
I bet 25.
Villain Flat calls.

Pot 135
River is a 10 ( no club )
Villain Bets 85 into me

Action?

Captain Tom

fold preflop, bet 35 on the flop, 70 on the turn, call river.

Theresalwaysone

Edited to say no club on river

HiCloy

Captain Tom wrote:

fold preflop, bet 35 on the flop, 70 on the turn, call river.

Sounds good

BuChan

min raise

Captain Tom

BuChan wrote:

min raise

id be much more inclined to do this if the river bet was like 50-60.

LuckyLloyd

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phantom_lord

bet more everywhere, call now.

fuzzbox

jeez your turn bet sux.
he prolly has TT, but call now.

BuChan

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Fold pre - flop. That is an awful call.

Call now.

lol, trying to regain your nit status? he's getting 6to1 on the call with a hand with some potential, not the worst call of all time. when you do play hands like this and hit miracle flops you have to get max value, the bet sizing here on the flop and turn is terrible. the river is an easy call.

LuckyLloyd

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cardshark202

Captain Tom wrote:

fold preflop, bet 35 on the flop, 70 on the turn, call river.

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BuChan

you're probably right lloyd, i just like to play a lot of hands when deep in multiway pots where implied are through the roof. lol, who am i kidding? i just like to play a lot of hands!

Van Dice

Yeah I definitely fold pre, it's really hard/impossible to play this profitably. Why did you bet so small on flop and turn? As played call river

jbravado

Fwiw I dont think this is a fold pre and to do so is pretty bad.

cardshark202

jbravado wrote:

Fwiw I dont think this is a fold pre and to do so is pretty bad.

Explain please.
If you must play this hand preflop, then pot the fúck out of it.

jbravado

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Eamonn, it's getting pumped behind you a fair bit; .

What is this based on?

jbravado

Getting a decent price on a ridiculous hand that is almost impossible to lose a big pot with-also the desricption of a bb as a weak player with a 300PLUS tank.

jbravado

cardshark202 wrote:

then pot the fúck out of it.

no beef.

LuckyLloyd

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LuckyLloyd

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jbravado

bb has been playing VERY tight showing down the goods-we realistically have one player to get through.

jbravado

LuckyLloyd wrote:

And sometimes when we hit gin flops that give us two pair or trips we do lose massive pots. .

Ldog This is a nonsense comment imo.

LuckyLloyd

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Van Dice

jbravado wrote:

Ldog This is a nonsense comment imo.

THIS is a nonsense comment!

Macspower

I'm also on for folding preflop.. I very rarely play any hand with a 3 in it unless it's pocket 3's....

Lazare

I'm potting it pre flop, limping sucks, as does folding.

jbravado

Suffice to say I realise playing 5 3/o isnt an "overall" winner-HERE however(ie with a weak/TIGHT bb no further info)I think a call is fine CERTAINLY not awful-sub optimal maybe Im not sure tbh)-to say that we may lose a big pot if we hit a big hand is a bit of a redundant argument IMO.

jbravado

LuckyLloyd wrote:

Most of the time you will fold 35o after the flop. QUOTE] There and not losing a MASSIVE pot.

jbravado

LuckyLloyd wrote:

But you can't ignore the fact that there will be occassions where you hit the flop and still lose big pots.

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This can be said about every hand LESS SO 5 3 off.

jbravado

LuckyLloyd wrote:

If you don't agree that we should dump 53o pre then fair enough.

I am not some 5 3 weilding maniac but IN THIS CASE I really dont think taking a flop is horrendous.


Advise on how to multiple quote in one reply would be appreciated.lol.

Lazare

jbravado wrote:

I am not some 5 3 weilding maniac but IN THIS CASE I really dont think taking a flop is horrendous.

Sam, do you not think potting it here is better than limping?

phantom_lord

dunno about sam but i think folding >>>> calling >>>> raising

Ace2007

jbravado wrote:

Advise on how to multiple quote in one reply would be appreciated.lol.

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Lazare

phantom_lord wrote:

dunno about sam but i think folding >>>> calling >>>> raising

We're in the CO playing deep, it's blind raised to 5, called in 4 spots. Is this not a good spot to pot with ATC? (image dependant obviously)

phantom_lord

open new tab for each one, copy+paste.

phantom_lord

Lazare wrote:

We're in the CO playing deep, it's blind raised to 5, called in 4 spots. Is this not a good spot to pot with ATC? (image dependant obviously)

i don't think so, your hand has little equity and you're bound to be called in multiple spots.

kryogen

before i read replies, the call pre flop is OK......i.e. its not costing much re;ative to stack size and you must be gettin 6 or 7/1 anyway and you can fold here alot after the flop if you miss.....

i bet 30-35 on flop, 65-75 on turn.........

call river and curse your luck for coming into a pot with 53 and losing!

EDIT: having read the replies..... ok nobody will argue that playing alot of hands with holdings such as 53 is a winning strategy, but every now and then, especially in the live games, and when you have enough $$$ in front of you, calling in position can be profitable with weak but (very long shot) speculative holdings.... sometimes!

cardshark202

phantom_lord wrote:

i don't think so, your hand has little equity and you're bound to be called in multiple spots.

I used to pull this **** off in the fitz all the time. Was hugely profitable for me then. Occasionally I would get caught with ****e, but generally they all folded or one guy called and folded at some other point in the hand

RoundTower

Captain Tom wrote:

fold preflop, bet 35 on the flop, 70 on the turn, FOLD river.

if the guy is that weak tight he was probably slowplaying a full house, I don't see someone like this bluffing missed clubs or waking up on the river with 9x.

jbravado

Lazare wrote:

Sam, do you not think potting it here is better than limping?

Im not sure-as pl said a lot of the time you will be callled in a few spots and your going to have to fire again and possible a third time to get through.
This is pretty high risk in games where the majority will rarely fold top pair.

Van Dice

Results pls, I want to know whether he had a terribly played 9s9h or a terribly played 9h9d!

mrflash

before the result, i raise the pot on this one, he has a big pair, and he was being careful of the flush draw by the looks of things, or else you have misread this guy as a weak player

Samba

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Tom
fold preflop, bet 35 on the flop, 70 on the turn, FOLD river.

RoundTower wrote:

if the guy is that weak tight he was probably slowplaying a full house, I don't see someone like this bluffing missed clubs or waking up on the river with 9x.

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Captain Tom

RoundTower wrote:

if the guy is that weak tight he was probably slowplaying a full house, I don't see someone like this bluffing missed clubs or waking up on the river with 9x.

we're getting nearly 3-1 on the river. i think we see Qxc/Txc/missed clubs/9x/weirdly played overpairs enough to make a call profitable.

never underestimate the ability of a live player to play a hand as illogically as you can possibly imagine.

Theresalwaysone

Well results, I was the villain and had missed clubs.

Van Dice

Theresalwaysone wrote:

Villain is BB, one of the weaker players at the table

lol

Van Dice

mrflash wrote:

before the result, i raise the pot on this one, he has a big pair, and he was being careful of the flush draw by the looks of things, or else you have misread this guy as a weak player

Are you on drugs?!

Theresalwaysone

Tellin it like it is. Tough table what with Peter to my left, the "hero" in this hand was a very good player with quite a tank. Bottom of the table was a spewy yet hyper aggressive player and an absolute rock was also sat down.

Anyway, does anyone lay down a pair here given my river bet and the way the hand played out? One of my serious problems is bluffing at every wrong opportunity. If you were the "hero" and didn't have a 3 but has a pair are you putting it down? Lets say the 9 ( which I had him on because I didnt think he would of called preflop with any 3 ) I had him on some sort of 89suited or 910suited?

If you had one of these hands are you putting it down or does my line in this hand look far too bluffy?

Edit: Maybe he calls preflop with 33, but meh..... I was willing to take that chance.

mrflash

Van Dice wrote:

Are you on drugs?!

whats that got to do with poker?

Captain Tom

this is not a good spot to bluff. you basically arent repping anything. when you check/call flop check/call turn and lead river on this flop you're going to get called a lot of the time as a flush draw is a large part of your range. i wouldnt be inclined to bluff good players unless i can credibly represent a strong hand.

plus the c/o bet into, what, like 6/7 people on the flop? it not like he's gonna have air here a lot. he might fold 9x but he probably checks behind on the turn a lot with this.