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Killme00

Jackpot 1-2 PLH Thursday Night

I am in seat 8 (€700) and my two villians are in seats 3 Button (€400) and 5 BB (€650).
Its raised to 7 and i reraise to 25 with KQ diamonds
Button calls and BB minriases to 50.
I call as does the button
I have played with the BB quite a bit and he will only raise in this position with a big PP Jacks to Aces.
Flop: €158 3d 9d Tc
BB bets €125 I think this is Jacks or Queens but not Aces or Kings (in which case the bet would be 75 to 100)
I call, Button folds.
Turn: €408 5h
BB bets €375

Comments on all steets pls. Should i RR allin on the flop so i dont have a decision to make on the turn (Villian can fold an overpair)

meathman 007

preflop - played ok, youre getting decent implied odds against the big blind as long as youre not looking for a q or k high flop

Flop - i reraise the flop, you might get him to lay down the hand and if called you are a coin flip against his range

Turn - fold - youre getting 2 to 1 - but youve only about a 20-25% of hitting the river

HiCloy

I wouldn't reraise preflop

I raise flop, you're favourite against JJ/QQ because he'll have JJ much more than QQ as you have a queen

I def fold turn

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Board: 3d 9d Tc
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.067% 54.92% 00.15% 4893 13.50 { KdQd }
Hand 1: 44.933% 44.78% 00.15% 3990 13.50 { QQ-JJ }

Ste05

Ugghh, pre-flop is awkward. I'll sometimes make the 3-bet, sometimes I'll flat call, then the min-raise is annoying, I would want to fold to the re-raise being sandwiched between him and thr button with a pretty but marginal hand especially if his range is so tight. I would have to have a fairly decent grasp of how he plays post flop to call it. Will he pay off with his stack with on Over-pair if there's 3 to a flush out? Can he fold these big hands?

On that flop, [EDIT: I can't see how you can leave KK and AA out of his range on such a draw heavy board with the bet size, but maybe you have a good read] it would depend on how he plays post flop, will he ever fold JJ or QQ to a raise, will he stack off if a d falls? I think a non diamond J is probably the magic card needed. Will he definitely fire the turn if it bricks?

Tricky spot, I think it's hard to comment as my play would depend on circumstances, my image to him and my thoughts on his game.

Captain Tom

cant really comment on your 3 bet pre flop without reads on the player that opened/your position/etc but im almost always just calling. if you think you've got decent fold equity on the flop then raising is fine but i think calling this deep is fine too. fold the turn.

cardshark202

1: Why did you re-raise preflop, esp when this deep?
2: Given your read, ship it on the flop.
3: As played, fold the turn

Killme00

Just to add if a diamond hits i dont think he will pay me off, especially after my call on the flop. Does this make raising > folding > calling on the flop?

I raised to 25 preflop because the riase to 7 means nothing

valor

cardshark202 wrote:

1: Why did you re-raise preflop, esp when this deep?
2: Given your read, ship it on the flop.
3: As played, fold the turn

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fuzzbox

cardshark202 wrote:

3: As played, fold the turn

Given the very specific read, surely the turn is a call?

3 * K, 9 * diamonds, 3 * non-diamond Js = 15.
Sometimes he has JJ, where we have less Js but more Qs.

Add to that that there is still 100 or so left to bet on the river, then surely its a call.

cardshark202

Well I assume that he will have AA/KK/TT some of the time, even if its not that likely. Its just from the OP, I got the impression that the read was not 100%

Killme00

fuzzbox wrote:

Given the very specific read, surely the turn is a call?

3 * K, 9 * diamonds, 3 * non-diamond Js = 15.
Sometimes he has JJ, where we have less Js but more Qs.

Add to that that there is still 100 or so left to bet on the river, then surely its a call.

I think this makes the flop a push, it means i dont have a decision to make on the turn, is this stupid/scared (what the hell is fold equity anyway?)

TommyGunne

Are you seriously trying to fold an overpair in the Jackpot? Or are you just happy to get it in with most likely equity of between 20% and 60% but more likely on the lower end??? Or even worse are you calling to hit a card that mightn't even get paid off????

Flat call pre-flop.

As played fold turn.

meathman 007

Killme00 wrote:

I think this makes the flop a push, it means i dont have a decision to make on the turn, is this stupid/scared (what the hell is fold equity anyway?)

your playing 1/2 and you dont know what fold equity is?

kryogen

strictly as played

pre flop is fine....

raise the flop, especially since you think the bb is capable of folding an overpair, if not, your favorite against JJ/QQ anyway but you want the money to go in good so it must be done here

fold the turn, your simply not getting the correct odds to call...kiss goodbye to the dead money you put in pre flop and post flop then torture yourself by sneaking a look at the last card which will of course be a diamond lol:D

Killme00

meathman 007 wrote:

your playing 1/2 and you dont know what fold equity is?

Nope not a clue and i play bigger than 1/2 live when its available..care to explain in the context of the OP?

Killme00

kryogen wrote:

strictly as played

pre flop is fine....

raise the flop, especially since you think the bb is capable of folding an overpair, if not, your favorite against JJ/QQ anyway but you want the money to go in good so it must be done here

fold the turn, your simply not getting the correct odds to call...kiss goodbye to the dead money you put in pre flop and post flop then torture yourself by sneaking a look at the last card which will of course be a diamond lol:D

For a long term point of view what would receive receive better results:
A) Pushing the flop
Calling the flop and either folding/raising the turn

kryogen

for the long term you have your largest possible fold equity on the flop and against the range of hands you have villain on its a push on the flop IMO...

you can win in two ways as you know, he can either fold or you will make your draw and get full value for it... you think he probably wont pay you off if a diamond hits anyway so you dont want to kill your action by calling and hitting then getting no more from him.

you cant justify a call on the turn here as in the long run its a losing play...

so basicaly option A is the one for me, i am happy to get my money in in this spot alot, especially if i know the guy is capable of laying down hands!

i dont like B for the simple reason its weak and it leaves a lot of dead money behind everytime you miss.

(sorry if this is a little rambly,i was watchin hollyoaks lol)

Killme00

Thanks for the answers...i folded and the BB later informed me he had something like jacks!

AKQJ10

who are you all your posts are are jackpot related but i cant think of who you could be?

I dont 3bet pre flop in your position as your creating a larger than necessary pot with your hand. you know it will be at least three way action in this game. in my opinion you can only really 3bet in this game with a premium hand unless, or if not your in position and heads up

Flop you should ship as you wont be a huge dog if he calls and your read is right. I certainly wouldnt call

The way you played it fold turn

NeoSlicerZ

I flat call pf, ship flop, fold turn... Mark nailed it really.

I really hate 3 betting with marginal holdings in low stakes (1/2,1/3) cash games where I'm guaranteed callers to the extent that I rarely 3 bet AK unless HU or I can put in a HUGE raise, say to like 10BB+. Out of interest, has anyone played a live cash game in ireland where the avg players to a flop was <= 3? Seems to me that everyone and their ma calls raises to see the flop, (not that I'm complaining heh).

Killme00

AKQJ10 wrote:

who are you all your posts are are jackpot related but i cant think of who you could be?

I'll say hello next time i see you in there