Called PFR stat on PAHUD

dvdfan

I only noticed this stat today. Can this be used similar to PFR stat to define hes calling range, for example if hes PFR is 5% then hes likely range is 55+,AJs+AQ+ so if hes call PFR range is 5% can we assign a similar range or does anybody use that stat at all or find it useful. V$PIP is good to see how tight or loose a player is but its hard to assign a calling range from it.

fuzzbox

I use it all the time.
If the blinds both have <5 call PFR then open button with any two cards. If the Btn has similar, then open CO with any two.

If they have big call PFR then dont open so frequently against them, prefer to VB instead.

cardshark202

Yep fuzz has it spot on. I use it all the time too.

Imposter

I've seen quite good players who hardly ever call a PFR but will 3 bet it if they want to play, which they do quite a bit. You cannot rely on this stat much imo.

Primewise

Sounds like a helpful stat...

I use GT+ though and it doesnt have this.

Would it be worth buying PAHUD instead or do the 2 applications basically do the same job?

ZZR1100

As for the blinds i use folded BB to steal attempt %

dvdfan

Imposter wrote:

I've seen quite good players who hardly ever call a PFR but will 3 bet it if they want to play, which they do quite a bit. You cannot rely on this stat much imo.

This is a good point Imposter, so if i was using it to define a calling range i would need to filter out AA-JJ,AK and with some people alot more hands like AK-AT and some PP so it would be hard to use it as an accurate range for hands their calling preflop but i suppose you could use it in conjunction with their V$PIP to get an idea.

Maybe though it could point out someone thats 3betting light, for example someone with 24/20 stats and a very low calling preflop stat might indicate they either fold or RR alot and so there obviously 3betting. Not as useful stat as i taught

Chucky the tree

Primewise wrote:

Sounds like a helpful stat...

I use GT+ though and it doesnt have this.

Would it be worth buying PAHUD instead or do the 2 applications basically do the same job?

GT+ is pretty **** and basic. PAHUD has nearly every stat you could want.

dvdfan

Primewise wrote:

Sounds like a helpful stat...

I use GT+ though and it doesnt have this.

Would it be worth buying PAHUD instead or do the 2 applications basically do the same job?

Yeah for example stats like Won Showdown % when raised river, Att to steal blinds another great stat if your trying to assign a range to someone raising in late position and lots of other useful stats make PAHUD worth every penny, i think its only like $25 or something but im not sure check it out

Van Dice

dvdfan wrote:

I only noticed this stat today. Can this be used similar to PFR stat to define hes calling range, for example if hes PFR is 5% then hes likely range is 55+,AJs+AQ+ so if hes call PFR range is 5% can we assign a similar range or does anybody use that stat at all or find it useful. V$PIP is good to see how tight or loose a player is but its hard to assign a calling range from it.

I usually double/triple barrel v unknown TAG type player the first couple of times until they call down, with two big benefits: A) you see what type of hands they call down with, you force them to play ABC v you.

HiCloy

fuzzbox wrote:

I use it all the time.
If the blinds both have <5 call PFR then open button with any two cards. If the Btn has similar, then open CO with any two.

If they have big call PFR then dont open so frequently against them, prefer to VB instead.

I like the idea

Think the range is a bit tight tho?

They call you 5% of the time each so 90.25% of the time you take it down PF. 9.75% of the time you get called and for simplicity open fold the flop! If you're raising to 7 at 1/2 it +EV by $2.02. Nice.

But I think it's worth doing to somewhat looser players too. It's still +EV to open raise where both guys call PFR 16% (by $0.05 but still), and probably to even more if they're less likely to call from OOP.

Van Dice

HiCloy wrote:

I like the idea

Think the range is a bit tight tho?

They call you 5% of the time each so 90.25% of the time you take it down PF. 9.75% of the time you get called and for simplicity open fold the flop! If you're raising to 7 at 1/2 it +EV by $2.02. Nice.

But I think it's worth doing to somewhat looser players too. It's still +EV to open raise where both guys call PFR 16% (by $0.05 but still), and probably to even more if they're less likely to call from OOP.

Not including the times you get 3-bet though

Imposter

Just looking through my PT db and now I've what seems like a very stupid question! What is this stat in PAHUD?

If it's the Cold Call PF % from the position tab then this doesn't seem correct. Both blinds are 0% for everyone.